i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Ranger]

There was a mod error in me having not received something I was meant to; this error has been corrected and I have now received it. Presumably,

@MathBlade

, this was what you meant.

This is baseless setup spec and outguessing the mod, but I guess there's one single token VT.

I've a different number in mind but outing it would be +scum.

yes there fucking was, half-baked setup spec is not something I want going on

There were ways other than claiming to clear things up. Notably, explaining that masons != neighbors from the getgo. Do that, and then there's no need to out at all, as the entire issue spawned from that misunderstanding.

Ranger: if Gamma were scum she would have blabbed it in scumchat. Unless SK or traitor. Frankly at a 10p neighbourhood I think day 2 is a good time to reveal it to the game thread. It's so big that it's gotta have scum in it. Seems pro-town to me. What's up?

Blabbing about it in gamethread is +scum regardless. This is a xyzzy game, nothing is guaranteed. If there's scum it's Gamma who would've blabbed, but there's a chance there wasn't scum and Gamma needlessly outed.

And in the Gamma-is-scum-who-blabbed world, outing the neighborhood is still +scum, because it removes the potential for scum to slip TMI inthread. By having left the neighborhood unclaimed, it was possible for scum outside the neighborhood to display TMI specifically

because

if scum blabbed, they'd know. Now by having outted it, that TMI cannot appear.

It EITHER: gives scum info they didn't have,
OR: removes the ability for scum to scumslip TMI.

Regardless of Gamma-town or Gamma-scum the move was +scum and I feel Gamma-scum is incredibly likely given her previously established mindset.

[Ranger]

I don't really agree that psychiatrist is powerful PR, but it points we have Serial Killer.

Let me run you through the process I have.

We know there was a Psychiatrist. Psychiatrists specifically cure Serial Killers.

We have two nightkills last night, indicating a serial killer was active last night.

We have a duo, Titus + imaginality, who have claimed masons, but whose play does not match that of town masons.

My conclusion is Titus and imaginality are likely a serial killer duo, who likely could have been converted into a vigilante duo had Frogsterking targeted them.

I would happily vote imaginality as a result. There's arguments to be made on holding back. Leashing the serial killers is potentially viable; the theory of them being 3p, while sound, is not 100% definitive, and usually it's better to hunt for scum than to hunt for 3p. I feel a discussion is warranted, but will happily park my vote on anyone with a high chance of being nontown. What type of scum we eliminate is less important; eliminating scum regardless of type is the goal.

Um. On what you builded this theory

835, 871, 967, 1109, 960 from MT (MT died last night and is conftown), 1185 from Prince, 1187 from Prince, 1194 from Prince, 1197 from Prince.

imaginality's play has been suspect from the onset. The only reason he wasn't put under pressure was Titus covering for him. Titus herself covered for imaginality in a suspect way; instead of defending him by play and only resorting to breadcrumbs, she went straight to breadcrumbs and didn't even try to argue anything else. Their play doesn't match that of actual masons.

Then, we have two kills last night, one of them being Morning Tweet, a player who was suspect of them. Two kills suggests serial killer.
Frogsterking was a Psychiatrist. Psychiatrist suggests serial killer.
By mod meta, it is quite likely for there to be a serial killer duo as that is a known role which xyzzy would both be familiar with and likely to employ.

Everything fits.

[Ranger]

I'm actually more cryptic as town :P

Indeed.

So why aren't you being cryptic here?
You outed a neighborhood which you could've been cryptic about.

I'm frankly frustrated about having to defend something that everyone else would just have be accepted.

Perhaps because your attitude up to and including this post do not fit that of a mason, especially not

you

as a mason? This isn't your play as a mason; this is your play when

pretending

to be a mason.

VOTE: imaginality

[MathBlade]

I don't really agree that psychiatrist is powerful PR, but it points we have Serial Killer.

Let me run you through the process I have.

We know there was a Psychiatrist. Psychiatrists specifically cure Serial Killers.

We have two nightkills last night, indicating a serial killer was active last night.

We have a duo, Titus + imaginality, who have claimed masons, but whose play does not match that of town masons.

My conclusion is Titus and imaginality are likely a serial killer duo, who likely could have been converted into a vigilante duo had Frogsterking targeted them.

I would happily vote imaginality as a result. There's arguments to be made on holding back. Leashing the serial killers is potentially viable; the theory of them being 3p, while sound, is not 100% definitive, and usually it's better to hunt for scum than to hunt for 3p. I feel a discussion is warranted, but will happily park my vote on anyone with a high chance of being nontown. What type of scum we eliminate is less important; eliminating scum regardless of type is the goal.

Um. On what you builded this theory

835, 871, 967, 1109, 960 from MT (MT died last night and is conftown), 1185 from Prince, 1187 from Prince, 1194 from Prince, 1197 from Prince.

imaginality's play has been suspect from the onset. The only reason he wasn't put under pressure was Titus covering for him. Titus herself covered for imaginality in a suspect way; instead of defending him by play and only resorting to breadcrumbs, she went straight to breadcrumbs and didn't even try to argue anything else. Their play doesn't match that of actual masons.

Then, we have two kills last night, one of them being Morning Tweet, a player who was suspect of them. Two kills suggests serial killer.
Frogsterking was a Psychiatrist. Psychiatrist suggests serial killer.
By mod meta, it is quite likely for there to be a serial killer duo as that is a known role which xyzzy would both be familiar with and likely to employ.

Everything fits.

First part I acknowledge but I am loathe to confirm/deny mod mistakes in a bastard game but will try to see if you can find a way to handshake with me later to make sure you’re just not saying so but I am pretty sure you’re truthtelling.

Why do you say serial killer duo fits?

[MathBlade]

Like what meta reason?

[Gamma Emerald]

a thought. no-one believed frog's claim except maybe cat scratch and ranger. so what do they know that we don't?

Ranger's likely just scum.

Ranger had a scheduled delivery of a MacBook so I would buy it.

Some bastard messed it up or Ranger is likely scum.

Super sads

? I am confused.

I think I get it, MacBooks are Apple products.

[Titus]

Oh ok

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm actually more cryptic as town

Indeed.

So why aren't you being cryptic here?
You outed a neighborhood which you could've been cryptic about.

I'm frankly frustrated about having to defend something that everyone else would just have be accepted.

Perhaps because your attitude up to and including this post do not fit that of a mason, especially not

you

as a mason? This isn't your play as a mason; this is your play when

pretending

to be a mason.

VOTE: imaginality

I haven’t yet revealed any members that haven’t spoken if it yet.
But like, I was being incredibly cryptic in the hood at one point, which you ate the onion on.

[Enchant]

I don't really agree that psychiatrist is powerful PR, but it points we have Serial Killer.

Let me run you through the process I have.

We know there was a Psychiatrist. Psychiatrists specifically cure Serial Killers.

We have two nightkills last night, indicating a serial killer was active last night.

We have a duo, Titus + imaginality, who have claimed masons, but whose play does not match that of town masons.

My conclusion is Titus and imaginality are likely a serial killer duo, who likely could have been converted into a vigilante duo had Frogsterking targeted them.

I would happily vote imaginality as a result. There's arguments to be made on holding back. Leashing the serial killers is potentially viable; the theory of them being 3p, while sound, is not 100% definitive, and usually it's better to hunt for scum than to hunt for 3p. I feel a discussion is warranted, but will happily park my vote on anyone with a high chance of being nontown. What type of scum we eliminate is less important; eliminating scum regardless of type is the goal.

Um. On what you builded this theory

835, 871, 967, 1109, 960 from MT (MT died last night and is conftown), 1185 from Prince, 1187 from Prince, 1194 from Prince, 1197 from Prince.

imaginality's play has been suspect from the onset. The only reason he wasn't put under pressure was Titus covering for him. Titus herself covered for imaginality in a suspect way; instead of defending him by play and only resorting to breadcrumbs, she went straight to breadcrumbs and didn't even try to argue anything else. Their play doesn't match that of actual masons.

Then, we have two kills last night, one of them being Morning Tweet, a player who was suspect of them. Two kills suggests serial killer.
Frogsterking was a Psychiatrist. Psychiatrist suggests serial killer.
By mod meta, it is quite likely for there to be a serial killer duo as that is a known role which xyzzy would both be familiar with and likely to employ.

Everything fits.

bruh

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: MathBlade

Bad vote

[Ranger]

I wouldn't put it past xyzy to put a Jester in here

We had this talk on D1.
It is still just as +scum on D2 as it was on D1.

He never did supply those meta links he supposedly had. Makes this one a little doubtful about it but it's not sure considering Frog is big into meta.

It's almost like rushing through the elimination on him was +scum and in part was to shut him up!

{Enchant, Not_Mafia, Quiet Owl, Gamma Emerald}

cannot

be all town. There

must

be at least 1 scum within, likely 2. (I don't think all four are. 3's

possible

, but less likely.)

I don’t think she’d likely use the phrase “mod confirmed” if scum - especially how much she’s insisting on it.

That's

exactly

what makes it fake. An actual town Titus wouldn't need to use that phrase and wouldn't need to keep insisting on it.

[Titus]

Perhaps because your attitude up to and including this post do not fit that of a mason, especially not you as a mason? This isn't your play as a mason; this is your play when pretending to be a mason.

This isn't saying anything but your claim again.

Who is scum if we're town?

[Elements]

VOTE: MathBlade

Bad vote

it's okay, I've unvoted now

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Gamma

Guess since it’s out there I am a fruit vendor and sent fruit to Ranger.

Based on something I got from the mod I had suspected mod error but now I can’t verify.

*sigh*

I am just going to hit random people with fruit now.

Can we please kill Gamma now?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't want and apple macbook, I already have meat

So Elements probably town for this

[Titus]

That's exactly what makes it fake. An actual town Titus wouldn't need to use that phrase and wouldn't need to keep insisting on it.

That's saying because I defend myself it's fake.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Gamma

Guess since it’s out there I am a fruit vendor and sent fruit to Ranger.

Based on something I got from the mod I had suspected mod error but now I can’t verify.

*sigh*

I am just going to hit random people with fruit now.

Can we please kill Gamma now?

Why
You were interested in working with me last night

[Ranger]

I can indeed confirm I am the co-mod of this game. This can be found in the rules in the quoted section below:

Korina is a co-moderator for this game; posts by them are official.

For the record, I received the correction of the mod error from Korina (not xyzzy), at around this time, to give you an idea of when the message came through.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Gamma

Guess since it’s out there I am a fruit vendor and sent fruit to Ranger.

Based on something I got from the mod I had suspected mod error but now I can’t verify.

*sigh*

I am just going to hit random people with fruit now.

Can we please kill Gamma now?

Why
You were interested in working with me last night

I was interested with working with the hood as a whole. Outing PRs without consent is sus AF.

[Titus]

Math's play here is pretty town.

[Titus]

Does this change your Ranger read?

[MathBlade]

Does this change your Ranger read?

I’ve had Ranger as town. I don’t see a reason to scumread her.

I think I know what you’re really wanting to ask and I can’t answer what you’re really asking.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Not Mafia

I think NM is town, actually

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Not Mafia

I think NM is town, actually

Then pick someone else.

Between outing the hood and my role you’ve nerfed like a shit ton of reaction tests I was going to do.

[MathBlade]

Like this is half policy half scumread but it’s good enough for D2.