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[Titus]

Not sure what to expect here. As someone who knows Titus, would you expect that it's likely for her to crumb in her very first post as scum and lock herself in to a specific claim?

There's not a lot of benefit that I can see to claiming suicide bomber as scum even in the event that it's true, because the role can only be confirmed by the player's death.

I have done that but the scum roles were confirmed and loud.

As for the unalive bomber, I am dead n4 unless docced or blocked.

[MathBlade]

Mechanically I don’t really see the benefit of keeping Titus alive

If we assume she’s town we save a life because she never explodes. Sure it’s possible she could hit scum but if we’re going by rand odds are she hits a town player. If we assume Titus is scum and truthtelling we save at least one town.

If Titus is town then we confirm imagine is scum then a scum team has to waste their capital there. A one shot rolecop eating a death when we have other PRs in play isn’t the worst.

So mainly I would like someone who townreads Titus to explain why she is. Because fmpov remove quite possibly one of the best scum players in the game in exchange for forcing scum to waste resources

[MathBlade]

It’s not a thing like vigilante where she could hit a scum/SK and confirm herself she’s just dead.

I kinda not seeing why we would keep her alive:

Then we can if she’s town confirm some sort of redirection which in that world I think Elements is scum.

[Titus]

I don’t really see why people TR Titus and the amount of TRs on her scares me.

This is jealousy and deja vu. This is exactly when I was rolecop and tunneling scum correctly. You didn't get the townreads on me. Those players got picked off one by one. You tunneled me to the end.

If I am town and saved, it becomes a vig in my hands.

The part about me being town confirming imaginality being scum is ????

[Titus]

You are someone who fears my judgment Math.

[MathBlade]

I don’t really see why people TR Titus and the amount of TRs on her scares me.

This is jealousy and deja vu. This is exactly when I was rolecop and tunneling scum correctly. You didn't get the townreads on me. Those players got picked off one by one. You tunneled me to the end.

If I am town and saved, it becomes a vig in my hands.

The part about me being town confirming imaginality being scum is ????

If you’re town then it’s a true statement that you were told imaginality is town

Then there’s a bus drive/redirect between Titus and Elements.

So then if you’re town scum did that for a reason meaning Elements is probably scum

[MathBlade]

You are someone who fears my judgment Math.

I don’t fear your judgment I fear the game being the Titus show and going off the rails and the town being shut out.

I am just a fruit vendor at the end of the day.

Almost the entire day is about your masons claim that wasn’t shot. I want to know why.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

It’s not a thing like vigilante where she could hit a scum/SK and confirm herself she’s just dead.

I kinda not seeing why we would keep her alive:

Then we can if she’s town confirm some sort of redirection which in that world I think Elements is scum.

1. Why not leash her?

2. I'm still waiting for everyone to check in after Kitty's claim, but if no other meat vendor comes forward, I agree there's probably scum in {Titus, Elements}.

[MathBlade]

It’s not a thing like vigilante where she could hit a scum/SK and confirm herself she’s just dead.

I kinda not seeing why we would keep her alive:

Then we can if she’s town confirm some sort of redirection which in that world I think Elements is scum.

1. Why not leash her?

2. I'm still waiting for everyone to check in after Kitty's claim, but if no other meat vendor comes forward, I agree there's probably scum in {Titus, Elements}.

1. Leashing her isn’t possible. Assume your mod confirmed town. Tell Titus to suicide on me or we kill her. Oops mod confirmed town dies. Then what? We have to waste an elim on her? We already have some sort of redirection likely. It’s quite possible scum take that suicide bomber on a mod confirmed town.

2. I don’t get the hesitation. If she’s a suicide bomber she dies. So?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

So then if you’re town scum did that for a reason meaning Elements is probably scum

This is where I disagree. Mechanically, if it's a bus driver then Elements doesn't claim it

after

KittyTacky reveals her claim. Better to let the meat fall into the ether. If the scum have a redirector, then changing the actions from me to Elements means that Elements ran the risk of getting copped or investigated.

Sure Elements could have played it suboptimally. Overall, it points to Elements town.

[MathBlade]

So then if you’re town scum did that for a reason meaning Elements is probably scum

This is where I disagree. Mechanically, if it's a bus driver then Elements doesn't claim it

after

KittyTacky reveals her claim. Better to let the meat fall into the ether. If the scum have a redirector, then changing the actions from me to Elements means that Elements ran the risk of getting copped or investigated.

Sure Elements could have played it suboptimally. Overall, it points to Elements town.

But if Elements is town iirc Elements softed before the Kitty claim. Lemme check

[MathBlade]

I don't want and apple macbook, I already have meat

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Gamma

Guess since it’s out there I am a fruit vendor and sent fruit to Ranger.

Based on something I got from the mod I had suspected mod error but now I can’t verify.

*sigh*

I am just going to hit random people with fruit now.

Can we please kill Gamma now?

OK I will claim now to not look sus later.

I am a Town Multitasking Odd Night Fruit Vendor Even Night Vegetable Vendor 1-Shot Meat Vendor neighbor

I enfruited Quiet Owl and enmeated Titus.

That's why I said I was confused about Elements' post. I tried to crumb it a few posts ago (un

fv

erstand) but meh, I am a weak role anyways.

Unless there is a second meat vendor and Titus didn't claim her meat receipt, there is some kind of night action redirector.

You could argue Kitty + Elements here based on the wording of sus.

But that’s stretching it imho.

But I am thinking scum don’t just swap or redirect town to town. I don’t get that.

[Titus]

I don't want and apple macbook, I already have meat

Then no MacBook for you

that's fine, I 've already expressed my lack of interest in an apple macbook

What does any of this have to do with the game? xD

Those were crumbs regarding items.

Also, my memory was wrong on Elements. Refreshing my thoughts there.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

1.

Leashing her isn’t possible.

Assume your mod confirmed town. Tell Titus to suicide on me or we kill her. Oops mod confirmed town dies. Then what? We have to waste an elim on her? We already have some sort of redirection likely. It’s quite possible scum take that suicide bomber on a mod confirmed town.

2. I don’t get the hesitation. If she’s a suicide bomber she dies. So?

You're saying by Night 4, we'll have confirmed town from night actions, and if scum, she'll suicide to take them down? If her claim is true, she'd die anyway - we won't be wasting an elim.

But I think what you're saying is that she has no incentive to be leashed, because she's marked for death anyway, yes?

[MathBlade]

The main problem I have is I get you’ve been stressed but how easy is it to say oops done goofed.

You’ve done it a lot this game.

At best from where I sit you’re a town liability and need to let your townreads drive.

Most are saying the current wagons are bad.

Imho you’re a better wagon right now strategically mechanically and socially

Only a little tinge in my gut says you could be town but I honestly have no reason to believe that.

[MathBlade]

1.

Leashing her isn’t possible.

Assume your mod confirmed town. Tell Titus to suicide on me or we kill her. Oops mod confirmed town dies. Then what? We have to waste an elim on her? We already have some sort of redirection likely. It’s quite possible scum take that suicide bomber on a mod confirmed town.

2. I don’t get the hesitation. If she’s a suicide bomber she dies. So?

You're saying by Night 4, we'll have confirmed town from night actions, and if scum, she'll suicide to take them down? If her claim is true, she'd die anyway - we won't be wasting an elim.

But I think what you're saying is that she has no incentive to be leashed, because she's marked for death anyway, yes?

I am not guaranteeing it, it was a hypothetical.
The second paragraph is my point yes.

What would be the consequences of not blowing up on who we ask?

I don’t think we can make any.

[Titus]

But I am thinking scum don’t just swap or redirect town to town. I don’t get that.

Fair, but not implausible. By having someone popular claim actions I should have received or investigations that should have been on me, I'm more likely to be limmed regardless of Elements actual alignment. Your belief is fair, I just don't go to that conclusion straight away.

[Titus]

1.

Leashing her isn’t possible.

Assume your mod confirmed town. Tell Titus to suicide on me or we kill her. Oops mod confirmed town dies. Then what? We have to waste an elim on her? We already have some sort of redirection likely. It’s quite possible scum take that suicide bomber on a mod confirmed town.

2. I don’t get the hesitation. If she’s a suicide bomber she dies. So?

You're saying by Night 4, we'll have confirmed town from night actions, and if scum, she'll suicide to take them down? If her claim is true, she'd die anyway - we won't be wasting an elim.

But I think what you're saying is that she has no incentive to be leashed, because she's marked for death anyway, yes?

I am not guaranteeing it, it was a hypothetical.
The second paragraph is my point yes.

What would be the consequences of not blowing up on who we ask?

I don’t think we can make any.

And this brings us back to the rivalry. Do what Math says or die. You did it before and I'm frankly sick of it.

[MathBlade]

But I am thinking scum don’t just swap or redirect town to town. I don’t get that.

Fair, but not implausible. By having someone popular claim actions I should have received or investigations that should have been on me, I'm more likely to be limmed regardless of Elements actual alignment. Your belief is fair, I just don't go to that conclusion straight away.

Neither am I and I don’t like you implying I am.

I’ve asked for town!Titus defenders to do so.

I am not “rah rah Titus is scum follow me or die”.

[Titus]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

[MathBlade]

1.

Leashing her isn’t possible.

Assume your mod confirmed town. Tell Titus to suicide on me or we kill her. Oops mod confirmed town dies. Then what? We have to waste an elim on her? We already have some sort of redirection likely. It’s quite possible scum take that suicide bomber on a mod confirmed town.

2. I don’t get the hesitation. If she’s a suicide bomber she dies. So?

You're saying by Night 4, we'll have confirmed town from night actions, and if scum, she'll suicide to take them down? If her claim is true, she'd die anyway - we won't be wasting an elim.

But I think what you're saying is that she has no incentive to be leashed, because she's marked for death anyway, yes?

I am not guaranteeing it, it was a hypothetical.
The second paragraph is my point yes.

What would be the consequences of not blowing up on who we ask?

I don’t think we can make any.

And this brings us back to the rivalry. Do what Math says or die. You did it before and I'm frankly sick of it.

Nice cherry-picking

I was answering a question that I don’t see a way to leash you so if your town we better be damn sure about it.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Titus, even if scum, is a giant waste of an elim right now when she's likely dead on N4. And if she's still alive come D5? We just start asking questions! It's, really that simple. You don't eliminate a vigilante because "Oh, but they could get town instead of scum!", y'know? Scrutinize her all you want now, in the chance she survives (which could be because of any number of things, town doc or block, scum doc or block, other shenanigans, all of which could mislead us), because then hey, we can present a proper case on if she is or isn't scum. But right now? ALOT better to focus on another slot.

[MathBlade]

Titus, even if scum, is a giant waste of an elim right now when she's likely dead on N4. And if she's still alive come D5? We just start asking questions! It's, really that simple. You don't eliminate a vigilante because "Oh, but they could get town instead of scum!", y'know? Scrutinize her all you want now, in the chance she survives (which could be because of any number of things, town doc or block, scum doc or block, other shenanigans, all of which could mislead us), because then hey, we can present a proper case on if she is or isn't scum. But right now? ALOT better to focus on another slot.

How can I when it’s the Titus show?

The mechanics point to her being scum.

She’s pushing a wagon I have long expressed my disapproval of

Her mechanics are expressly antitown and strategically it’s very protown to do so.

I still haven’t heard a reason why she’s town.