i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Titus]

I am not “rah rah Titus is scum follow me or die”.

No. Your position is that I cannot be controlled and therefore should die. You're posting repeatedly about supposedly being no reason to townread me while simultaneously shooting down every reason you've been given. This isn't about facts. It never has been.

Mason claim when partner wagoned, people say Titus as scum wouldn't do it
You: *strawman* Titus would
Locking into a claim that requires me to die, scum don't usually do that
You (fairish): Titus had fun in the role
Titus has been giving reads and responding and trying to work with people
You: But scum have to be pushing a wagon

You want to talk about fishy claims, look at McMennos. You've ignored the claim because you think scum are pushing it because it was a collective compromise so someone has to be scum on it. You aren't engaging with facts and it's infuriating. I don't know whether or not I'm right but I want people to organize.

I invited you to open up on who is strategic and you presumed I was attacking you and never answered the question. I am trying to engage with you and work with you as I townread you but backlash game after game is just bullshit.

[Titus]

Titus, even if scum, is a giant waste of an elim right now when she's likely dead on N4. And if she's still alive come D5? We just start asking questions! It's, really that simple. You don't eliminate a vigilante because "Oh, but they could get town instead of scum!", y'know? Scrutinize her all you want now, in the chance she survives (which could be because of any number of things, town doc or block, scum doc or block, other shenanigans, all of which could mislead us), because then hey, we can present a proper case on if she is or isn't scum. But right now? ALOT better to focus on another slot.

Who should we focus on?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

I don't have a reason to think McMenno is town, and it's pretty annoying how they aren't doing much to make themself readable when they say they can't be investigated. My main worry is they're limbait I guess, I've been meaning to meta there, and I have some time now to do it.

I'm mostly waiting to see if anyone is interested in a Quiet Owl or kitten around wagon.

[MathBlade]

I would like to hear what MathBlade has to say.

Anywho I answered this.

I have work to do and further conversation about why I think Titus is a great elim seems counter productive so I am going to back off.

[MathBlade]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

I don't have a reason to think McMenno is town, and it's pretty annoying how they aren't doing much to make themself readable when they say they can't be investigated. My main worry is they're limbait I guess, I've been meaning to meta there, and I have some time now to do it.

I'm mostly waiting to see if anyone is interested in a Quiet Owl or kitten around wagon.

Down for either.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: kitten around

[Titus]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

I don't have a reason to think McMenno is town, and it's pretty annoying how they aren't doing much to make themself readable when they say they can't be investigated. My main worry is they're limbait I guess, I've been meaning to meta there, and I have some time now to do it.

I'm mostly waiting to see if anyone is interested in a Quiet Owl or kitten around wagon.

Down for either.

Not kitten fine with Owl

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one currently is willing to believe Titus and imaginality are the roles they claim to be, a lot of which is just vibes and gut (which is funny considering this one's vibes and gut on them earlier was "Hmm, sussy!", but still), but also because they've presented a consistent and persistent case in terms of crumbs and defenses of each other when the situation is basically a house of cards. If one flips scum, they're both dead as fuck. That doesn't seem like a gambit scum would wanna make, even if this one will never not be at least mildly intrigued by the initial mason claim.

Her mechanics are expressly antitown and strategically it’s very protown to do so.

The most way she's antitown vs a vig is that if she fucks up and blows up a townie, two town die for the price of one. Which, yeah, that's a reasonable concern, but maybe we should evaluate the risk and reward of 2 town dying by the time we're going to hit N4, perhaps? We're only 3 town down and still have 20 players, about 4 of which are probably scum. Do the math when the time comes.

Who should we focus on?

This one is willing to go for McMenno, QO and somewhat Kitten, it'd say. Which, p-edit: seems to be a bit of a consensus.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Kitten around

[Titus]

Anyway, CSF, what do you think of McMenno?

I don't have a reason to think McMenno is town, and it's pretty annoying how they aren't doing much to make themself readable when they say they can't be investigated. My main worry is they're limbait I guess, I've been meaning to meta there, and I have some time now to do it.

I'm mostly waiting to see if anyone is interested in a Quiet Owl or kitten around wagon.

Fair, I think specifics on his "investigative" backfire claim would help.

[MathBlade]

yes there fucking was, half-baked setup spec is not something I want going on

too bad

I wouldn't put it past xyzzy for that psychiatrist to just be a red herring in a game like this, essentially a named townie. and that the double kill is just multiball scum or a vig (for some reason)

Last post was 2 days 3 hours ago. I asked Korina for a prod over PM.

Hopefully that helps.

[Titus]

This one is willing to go for McMenno, QO and somewhat Kitten, it'd say. Which, p-edit: seems to be a bit of a consensus.

Vote McMenno? Even if I disagree with the kitten wagon, dueling wagons is good.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one is willing to go for McMenno, QO and somewhat Kitten, it'd say. Which, p-edit: seems to be a bit of a consensus.

Vote McMenno? Even if I disagree with the kitten wagon, dueling wagons is good.

Sounds good to this one. VOTE: McMenno

[MathBlade]

Why are you so insistent to elim someone who isn’t here like McMenno over Not Mafia who also isn’t here when Kitty and Owl are both actively scummy?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

What do y'all think of kitten around?

I ISO'd them and could be scum, playing very safe in general, but I couldn't find any specific post or a general atittude that feels scummy

That's a pretty accurate description yeah. In general, I think scum tend to fit this profile more often than not: not doing anything wildly strange to stand out, but not pushing the game forward either.

My thought, especially when Frogsterking flipping town, is that's where scum are. They're happy with T v Ts all over the place, which is why I'm ok reassessing Ranger rather than just tunneling her.

Why not kitten around, Titus? Kitten around fits your hypothesized gamestate of scum lurking in the background while town eats itself alive

[Titus]

Why are you so insistent to elim someone who isn’t here like McMenno over Not Mafia who also isn’t here when Kitty and Owl are both actively scummy?

I'm not 100% sold on eliminating anyone. The early game is about finding information and cliques and getting use for VCA. If I feel strongly, I'll say so. For now, putting two consensus middle of the road players does that. McMenno happens to give us info about his backfire claim too to help sort, great.

[Titus]

Why not kitten around, Titus? Kitten around fits your hypothesized gamestate of scum lurking in the background while town eats itself alive

I have a gut vibe she's town but not one strong enough to outright stop her wagon. I could be wrong and a wagon helps assess my gut vibe but I don't have an interest in joining. So go forth and we'll see if that makes sense.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Why are you so insistent to elim someone who isn’t here like McMenno over Not Mafia who also isn’t here when Kitty and Owl are both actively scummy?

N_M policy is good on paper but he'll probably flip town in practice just to spite us because of

course

he will, and this one figured that everyone was on-board with McMenno, including Titus.

Also watch those pronouns for Menno, Titus.

[Titus]

Also watch those pronouns for Menno, Titus

Thank you. I am sure they appreciate it.

[MathBlade]

Why are you so insistent to elim someone who isn’t here like McMenno over Not Mafia who also isn’t here when Kitty and Owl are both actively scummy?

I'm not 100% sold on eliminating anyone. The early game is about finding information and cliques and getting use for VCA. If I feel strongly, I'll say so. For now, putting two consensus middle of the road players does that. McMenno happens to give us info about his backfire claim too to help sort, great.

Your ISO says a different story.

You’ve been parked on McMenno and hardly consider anyone else. Isn’t town you broad?

[Titus]

It's been less than 48 hours and I have suggested others. When I vote, I intend to get something from it. We disagree on primary wagons as a town block. That's the whole point of the McMenno wagon. He's middle of the road, lacks content, and cannot be investigated.

[Titus]

*They're

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I didn't get much from McMenno metadive. They don't like playing mafia (the game, not the alignment necessarily) very much, and are a sparse poster.

I can see them flipping as either alignment, really.

[Titus]

I didn't get much from McMenno metadive. They don't like playing mafia (the game, not the alignment necessarily) very much, and are a sparse poster.

I can see them flipping as either alignment, really.

True. That's the point of dueling wagons. Gather info. Assess later.

[Prince of Paterson]

Feel better about Math being town based on response and latest behavior.

VOTE: kitten around