i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Enchant]

Chainsaw harder

[Gimli]

Chainsaw harder

VOTE: enchant

[Enchant]

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[Quiet Owl]

i haven't put much effort into defending myself because

i see my elimination as inevitable

. i don't act like normal town. never have, probably never will. therefore i am trying to arrange my iso to be useful after my death, which will prove my alignment and in theory then be helpful. arguing over my alignment is a distraction, and i think it's very very easy for scum to get brownie points by going after me.

I think the bolded reaction is a bit premature. Your wagon fell apart very quickly, and now no one is voting you

Not sure how I feel about the rest of the post tbh

you assume i was referring to the wagon!

[Prince of Paterson]

I don't know why Enchant would post 1731 as scum. It seems like a mindset that they'd be unlikely to possess.

[Gimli]

Yeah you're probably right

[Gimli]

VOTE: highprincess

[UltimateGamer]

So.... I don't know what to think about Titus/Imaginality anymore. Like, their claim seems weird? But also well within the bounds of the kind of game this is? I'm not sure why she claimed fully. I've been trying to gleam some insight from her posts one way or the other and it's coming up very blank.

Imaginality still pings me as scum but that very much conflicts with Titus if Titus is to be believed.

I still think Imaginality might be the correct elimination today?????? maybe? but dear god I am not sure in the slightest.

Enchant has been pinging my radar a little bit more lately. Not super helpful, doesn't feel like they're solving the game. But could also be apathetic town being apathetic. Really no way to know for sure.

Titus, even if scum, is a giant waste of an elim right now when she's likely dead on N4. And if she's still alive come D5? We just start asking questions! It's, really that simple. You don't eliminate a vigilante because "Oh, but they could get town instead of scum!", y'know? Scrutinize her all you want now, in the chance she survives (which could be because of any number of things, town doc or block, scum doc or block, other shenanigans, all of which could mislead us), because then hey, we can present a proper case on if she is or isn't scum. But right now? ALOT better to focus on another slot.

I like this logic here.

CSF probably just wrong, one of Prince/Math scum.

Disagree strongly with this take here.

I don't HATE the current Kitten Around wagon. I mostly just haven't seen much from them that pings me one way or the other.

Maybe someone can sell me on it. Anyone wanna give a good rundown on the Owl scum read?

1145 is a bad hop onto the Frog wagon. I'd also argue that Quiet Owl is a newer player from a skim of their meta, and that typically isn't how new players react to TPR claims

Their solving is very unnatural, e.g. the early multiball comment as well as 1035. In 906, they drop a play-by-play analysis of Frog with many reasons to scumread Frog and few reasons to townread Frog. They then go on to say that they were actually townreading Frogs in 977. So what was the purpose of that analysis? It seems like they wanted to show how much solving they were doing, but it wasn't with the goal of limming scum in mind.

Also look at how they've scumread me for basically the whole game, but don't talk to me. They've also avoided engaging with other people- (1252) is another example

i've been busy. had a small exam thingy that i needed to study for.

i'd describe 906 mainly as exasperation at frog's apparently illogical behaviour. weakly townread him mainly because even though he was incredibly detrimental to the town, i don't think scum normally are comfortable attracting that much attention to themselves. you're correct that i wasn't trying to get him eliminated. because i didn't, at that point, think he needed to be eliminated. what i was trying to do was figure out what on earth frog's deal was, because he was making my brain see spinning stars and tweety birds.

"but then you went and voted him!" the "don't kill me i'm super-dee-duper important" pr claim might've made me see red a little. just a little bit. we've lost a psychiatrist which is bad, but i have reason to suspect that there's a fair bit of redundancy in this game. however, we no longer have a significant distraction which i would say is good, as for once the thread doesn't appear to be tunneling.

i haven't put much effort into defending myself because i see my elimination as inevitable. i don't act like normal town. never have, probably never will. therefore i am trying to arrange my iso to be useful after my death, which will prove my alignment and in theory then be helpful. arguing over my alignment is a distraction, and i think it's very very easy for scum to get brownie points by going after me.

Ohhhh this is the first post from you that I've seen that has pinged me as scummy. You got some heat and now are over explaining to make yourself look like you're doing more than you actually are AND giving a hollow excuse for why you're acting scummy.

"why am I acting scummy? Because I'm always scummy duh!"

I DO NOT like that justification.

i haven't put much effort into defending myself because i see my elimination as inevitable. i don't act like normal town. never have, probably never will. therefore i am trying to arrange my iso to be useful after my death, which will prove my alignment and in theory then be helpful. arguing over my alignment is a distraction, and i think it's very very easy for scum to get brownie points by going after me.

based

Locktown

Eww why?

[xyzzy]

votecount 2.05

When he died (On a dark and stormy night)
A nearby shed caught fire (It simply caught alight)
And when they cleared the charred wood from the ground
Inside they found a painting of a clown (A creepy painting of a clown)
He'd painted it when he was just a child
But scrawled upon the back was exactly when he died

4 players voting for McMenno (furtiveglance, imaginality, Titus, HighPrincessErinys)
3 players voting for kitten around (Cat Scratch Fever, MathBlade, Prince of Paterson)
2 players voting for imaginality (UltimateGamer, Ranger)
2 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Gamma Emerald, Not_Mafia)
1 player voting for Enchant (Elements)
1 player voting for Titus (KittyTacky)
1 player voting for Cat Scratch Fever (Enchant)
1 player voting for HighPrincessErinys (Gimli)

5 players not voting (McMenno, Lycanfire, Quiet Owl, GeorgeBailey, kitten around)

with 20 votes, it takes 11 to eliminate.

mod notes:

[McMenno]

VOTE: kitten around

[kitten around]

McMenno vote on me is survivalistic. Hmmmm . . . lol

[kitten around]

CSF probably just wrong, one of Prince/Math scum.

CSF probably just wrong, one of Prince/Math scum.

Whichever one is scum here definitely doesn’t want a 1v1 with me but I’ll more than happily engage with it to take out scum. Try me.

Why is one of Prince/Math scum? Do you think you've been town enough such that they shouldn't be voting you?

Also I think they're both town.

Let’s hope you’re about that.

[Ranger]

I've strong distaste for both the McMenno and kitten around wagons.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Would prefer {Gamma Emerald, Quiet Owl, (Titus/Imaginality)} as votes.

[Ranger]

Maybe someone can sell me on it. Anyone wanna give a good rundown on the Owl scum read?

Quiet Owl was involved in the quickhammering of Frogsterking yesterday. Of {Enchant, Not_Mafia, Quiet Owl, Gamma Emerald}, he is one of the top two suspects. (Not_Mafia and Enchant both have reputations for hammering.)

Quiet Owl and Gamma Emerald have high partner equity, with them having defended each other the majority of the game.

Do you think I got schmoozed earlier by quiet owl, ranger?

I think their entrance is disproportionately scum, yes. The callout of multiball feels out of place and potentially TMI. (It's a xyzzy game so I certainly wouldn't be surprised, but entering the game

assuming

multiball isn't town.) Calling CSF-Frogsterking SvT or SvS isn't a thought impossible, but the way the thought was handled makes me believe it wasn't a true town thought. They've given no reads beyond just those two, in spite of apparently being caught up on the game.

Quiet Owl's activity is on the bottom half of the playerlist, indicating a level of activity I find +scum.

I've not liked any of his pushes; I feel his reads being entirely different than my own is +scum indicative.

None of his posts have looked town to me.

It's not slam-dunk, but it's what I have.

[Ranger]

Maybe someone can sell me on it. Anyone wanna give a good rundown on the Owl scum read?

1145 is a bad hop onto the Frog wagon. I'd also argue that Quiet Owl is a newer player from a skim of their meta, and that typically isn't how new players react to TPR claims

Their solving is very unnatural, e.g. the early multiball comment as well as 1035. In 906, they drop a play-by-play analysis of Frog with many reasons to scumread Frog and few reasons to townread Frog. They then go on to say that they were actually townreading Frogs in 977. So what was the purpose of that analysis? It seems like they wanted to show how much solving they were doing, but it wasn't with the goal of limming scum in mind.

Also look at how they've scumread me for basically the whole game, but don't talk to me. They've also avoided engaging with other people- (1252) is another example

This is a better case.

[Ranger]

Do you think there's scum voting for McMenno?

I do! I believe furtiveglance is scum.
Additionally, I believe {Titus, imaginality} aren't town.

I'm disinclined to join a wagon I feel has at most 1 town on it.

[Ranger]

Owl's 906 tone not aligning with their later conclusions is strange, I agree. I don't like their current scumreads either, I think Cat Scratch Fever is town. I would like to see more from them though, I don't feel confident in voting there.

I feel confident.

Quiet Owl has had plenty of time to provide content.

It won't suddenly improve.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one currently refuses to vote on imaginality or Titus but it's willing to do Owl.

[Ranger]

would a "serial killer duo" be basically a 2-person scumteam with 1 kill?

This is what I meant, yes.

[Ranger]

Came out of this post with a quiet owl townread. Reads like newb trying to make sense of the horrors of trying to read people's alignments in a game of mafia

Quiet Owl I believe has disclosed they are not new. I believe they're an alt? Would need to find the post where they specify such.

Does that change your stance?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Unvote

I wanna see what happens.

Yay more prod dodging and content to read later.

I wonder what Titus is gonna make of the wagons.

I feel like if this is multiball scum are trying to figure out some sort of cooperation based on that VC and if this is an SK game almost everything is TvT given the lack of any strong wagon.

[Ranger]

Then unless Ranger's theory is correct and you're SKs with imaginality then there was a redirector. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How's this for a theory: the redirector is

because

they're a SK.

A SK with passive action redirection.

[Quiet Owl]

Quiet Owl and Gamma Emerald have high partner equity, with them having defended each other the majority of the game.

huh
yeah i townread gamma but i'm pretty sure up until replacing out she wanted me dead?

Came out of this post with a quiet owl townread. Reads like newb trying to make sense of the horrors of trying to read people's alignments in a game of mafia

Quiet Owl I believe has disclosed they are not new. I believe they're an alt? Would need to find the post where they specify such.

Does that change your stance?

HUH
quote the post that gave you that impression, because the day i joined mafiascum and the day i started playing forum-based mafia are one and the same

[Ranger]

why is ranger saying imaginality cannot be town by role?

I don't believe the claim, quite simply.

I've seen the fulllcaim; that makes me believe it even less.

Those look to me more like the (mini-)factional abilities of a serial killer duo. Not those abilities exactly perhaps, but something akin to those.

[Ranger]

the day i joined mafiascum and the day i started playing forum-based mafia are one and the same

My mistake, then.

i'm pretty sure up until replacing out she wanted me dead?

Oh she

specified

wanting you dead.

She never followed through.