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[Klick]

Shirou is a national treasure

[Gamma Emerald]

I saw your readslist, I thought it was overall odd. I kept reading, I thought pina's posts weren't *that* bad and that I could understand if someone was townreading her. I don't know which posts specifically did it, it probably wasn't any specific post; I could go back and pick some posts but this feels like a waste of time and I am highly skeptical this is something that is like, actually thought to be AI by anyone.

I'm mostly frustrated that when I asked you this initially your response was 'sure I can answer that, but can you answer this first?' and now I've done that and you still haven't given a proper answer
But I'll drop it for now

Do you have higher expectations of Ari? (Also @pina, I did not assume so because I don't recall Klick and Ari playing together.) Or has everyone else done something that you would consider something that scum wouldn't do?

These are not the only two options
I don't have

higher expectations

of Ari particularly as a player outside of the context of this game
I DO feel like Ari has posted a lot more of actual meaningful substance than most players thus far
I'm used to getting townreads out of that kind of content
But I'm not getting that with Ari and I think that could potentially be a sign that she's scum

Put another way, it reminds me of Dunnstral in the C9++ game we were both in. Dunnstral kept posting content and I enjoyed the content but it never looked towny.

Why am I scum?

Same reason as Ari basically
You're both in the 'interestingly not town' section of my readslist

Do you still think Lucian fits the “lots of content but it’s not particularly towny” mold?

[Klick]

Shirou can you talk to me about Totos town?
PEdit: I'm up to Page 29 but up to that point, yes

[Klick]

VOTE: Gamma if it's not there. Probably worse than Norwee

Can you talk more about this?

@Una

Where's your Gamma read at atm?

[giuseppina]

I also feel if either Ari or Una are scum, both would bus a bit.

If neither of Ari/Una are scum, they are still the best scum hunters in this playerlist most likely so why not

imo pina is the best scum hunter in this pl and it is not particularly close.

nah

ya know when hoopla tells someone that she (hoopla) does not need that someone to solve the game, she simply needs them to make their alignment known (and the built-in assumption to that statement is that she herself will solve the game)? i am pretty okay quite good really at being someone and not so good at being hoopla (despite my best efforts) so the hope is generally that someone else will assume the mantle at least for the game

[petapan]

Cat Scratch Fever replaces SirCakez.

Replacing BlueBloodedToffee.

[Klick]

this could be the most convoluted bus of all time from shirou to una

???

[Klick]

Spoiler: not game related

This game has cool people in it. I've not interacted with many of you but I appreciate the vibe this game has. I'm not great at making friends and talking to people. But uh, if anyone in this game wanted to chat nonsense or I dunno play video games or something. That would be cool. Anyway gonna hide in a corner now.

[Klick]

Toto's probe about the gambit seems genuinely uninformed instead of engineered to make Shirou's answer look bad.

I think you're correct that Toto isn't trying to undermine Shirou's point
But I don't see where you're getting uninformed

I feel like Toto's 830 lines up rather well with how not-so-confident scum would want to be positioning themselves.

[Gamma Emerald]

This whole open discussion of replacing out leaves me very confused as I thought the rules prohibited it?

[Klick]

I also feel if either Ari or Una are scum, both would bus a bit.

If neither of Ari/Una are scum, they are still the best scum hunters in this playerlist most likely so why not

imo pina is the best scum hunter in this pl and it is not particularly close.

nah

ya know when hoopla tells someone that she (hoopla) does not need that someone to solve the game, she simply needs them to make their alignment known (and the built-in assumption to that statement is that she herself will solve the game)? i am pretty okay quite good really at being someone and not so good at being hoopla (despite my best efforts) so the hope is generally that someone else will assume the mantle at least for the game

Hoopla taught me like half of what I know about scumhunting
Alisae taught me the other half

[Klick]

giuseppina

Una

Shirou

Gamma Emerald

NorwegianboyEE

BlueBloodedToffee
Cat Scratch Fever
TheGoldenParadox
Aubrey

Toto
Lucian
Aristeia

[Toto]

Klick sell me on Shurro town. Also Pina.

[Gamma Emerald]

Idrg SRing Lucian
Especially for Shirou’s reasons as Lucian’s “wtf”-ness around things this game feels like that Ausuka mini normal we played

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait it was Pooky’s not Ausuka’s

[TheGoldenParadox]

*

clears throat

*

Norwe

is, dare I say,

LOCKTOWN

At the moment I believe at least 2/3 of [Cakez, Totos, Pina] are town, if we're lucky maybe all of them

Probably at least one scum in [Lucian/Una], maybe two if we're lucky

Ari may or not be scum I feel she can flip either way and it wouldn't surprise me. I don't feel she did anything significantly more likely to come from scum!her but I don't see any reason to town read any of her posts so far and she posted relatively a lot already (which is kinda bad but idk maybe I suck at identifying town!her).

Also, I got us out of apathy on solving. That's my D1 contribution thank you very much for reading my blogpost and I expect many intense, fervent, scorching hot town reads on me for this

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
Okay I guess I'm the only one that reads this and goes "what the fuck"?
Like, I wish the meta was in a place where hyperconfidence went consistently unrewarded + when gambits like this didn't work because everyone is like "yeah we're two days into d1 stop randomly tunneling people," but it seems to me like people do (or at least did when I was playing) this often enough unironically that it provided cover for Shirou to do it.

I guess I

mmm i think in that scenario it would be like a shirou-una-nor team and he would have to hope it wins but i dont think people let him live at elo so it feels suboptimal to do it

This post sells me on serious possibility of Ari!scum. The reasons why are hard to describe but it feels like attacking a strawman. It's like someone else is like "x seems potentially true" and then Aristeia is like "in x scenario a, b, c, and d all have to be true and e would also have to be true and e seems impossible". Nothing Ari has said gives me reason to townread them, and so
VOTE: Aristeia—I think I buy this at least for now.

You may wonder, "what does Shirou mean by

locktown

exactly?", and I've the perfect example for you:

Imagine there's somehow 4 players in the final day (Norwe included) and this setup wasn't mountainous. One of them is mechanically confirmed town, and there's only one scum alive. The PoE should be [Norwe, X, Y] then...however, X and Y claim masons.

Given that there's only one scum alive, naive you may conclude that X and Y are also confirmed town therefore the last scum is Norwee.

That's an incorrect conclusion. The correct answer to that paradigm is that one of the townies is fakeclaiming and throwing, and if the moderator somehow confirms later on in a flip that Norwe was, in fact, scum, you should instantly assume that the game was secretly bastard and a great injustice is being committed towards cute Norwee on being considered scum.

Like, obviously Shirou isn't that serious about Norwee being town. After the first time I will no longer ever take you seriously when you say wildly overconfident things, and I don't see the strong argument for Norwee being locktown.

@aristeia now is this more likely to come from partners tho

i can see it coming from partners but im not sure i want to give shirou that many creativity points as scum

yeah, i'm not sure i see this coming from town

Lucian does look like a scum reaction to a dumb fight between townies to me

What.

i vaguely think lucian is probably town here?

But Shurro, how do you know that blonde anime girl is

actually

town?

Idk man if you don't town read Norwee in this game you are never gonna town read him I think

If Petapan came around and flipped him scum I would be instantly pressing the reporting button as much as I love petapan

It's sure to be a secretly bastard game in that universe. The thought of "Norwee is scum here" does not enter my brain anymore at this point, he's basically a confirmed Innocent Child to me.

i mean obviously this is not Really Actually true unless you're scum... i wonder what would happen if we all strictly restricted ourselves to saying true things

I don't feel like he took much of a stance as much as he tried to make it look like as if he has a stance on what is happening in the thread

How am I supposed to take a stance on "hehe guys we should totally kill Norwee I'm not saying why tho just trust me"?

very slightly townread lucian for this

This game was so dead before but now it's so alive that I can't read all posts within time...

:// yeah, i'm going to start responding to only the last 3-4 pages because otherwise I'll be continually catching up

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also didn’t particurarly like the theories about Shirou bussing from Aristeia. I think it’s to the interest of scum to make Shirou’s reputation falter in this game because there are no nightkills so mafia must really try to make the powerful and potentially problematic players less influental. And Shirou imo is probably one of the strongest players in this list simply because of how menacing he is. Scum nightkill them early almost every game no matter how bad their reads may be at that moment.
Not fanboying, just an observation.

[Aristeia]

Ari does the fact I stopped voting Una makes you think I was bussing her after all and now I'm trying to dismantle her wagon

"again"

?



Why can't it simply be love Ari?! Anime and love is the real answer to everything.

you can love someone and also bus them.

[Aristeia]

*

clears throat

*

Norwe

is, dare I say,

LOCKTOWN

At the moment I believe at least 2/3 of [Cakez, Totos, Pina] are town, if we're lucky maybe all of them

Probably at least one scum in [Lucian/Una], maybe two if we're lucky

Ari may or not be scum I feel she can flip either way and it wouldn't surprise me. I don't feel she did anything significantly more likely to come from scum!her but I don't see any reason to town read any of her posts so far and she posted relatively a lot already (which is kinda bad but idk maybe I suck at identifying town!her).

Also, I got us out of apathy on solving. That's my D1 contribution thank you very much for reading my blogpost and I expect many intense, fervent, scorching hot town reads on me for this

UNVOTE:

UNVOTE:
Okay I guess I'm the only one that reads this and goes "what the fuck"?
Like, I wish the meta was in a place where hyperconfidence went consistently unrewarded + when gambits like this didn't work because everyone is like "yeah we're two days into d1 stop randomly tunneling people," but it seems to me like people do (or at least did when I was playing) this often enough unironically that it provided cover for Shirou to do it.

I guess I

mmm i think in that scenario it would be like a shirou-una-nor team and he would have to hope it wins but i dont think people let him live at elo so it feels suboptimal to do it

This post sells me on serious possibility of Ari!scum. The reasons why are hard to describe but it feels like attacking a strawman. It's like someone else is like "x seems potentially true" and then Aristeia is like "in x scenario a, b, c, and d all have to be true and e would also have to be true and e seems impossible". Nothing Ari has said gives me reason to townread them, and so
VOTE: Aristeia—I think I buy this at least for now.

You may wonder, "what does Shirou mean by

locktown

exactly?", and I've the perfect example for you:

Imagine there's somehow 4 players in the final day (Norwe included) and this setup wasn't mountainous. One of them is mechanically confirmed town, and there's only one scum alive. The PoE should be [Norwe, X, Y] then...however, X and Y claim masons.

Given that there's only one scum alive, naive you may conclude that X and Y are also confirmed town therefore the last scum is Norwee.

That's an incorrect conclusion. The correct answer to that paradigm is that one of the townies is fakeclaiming and throwing, and if the moderator somehow confirms later on in a flip that Norwe was, in fact, scum, you should instantly assume that the game was secretly bastard and a great injustice is being committed towards cute Norwee on being considered scum.

Like, obviously Shirou isn't that serious about Norwee being town. After the first time I will no longer ever take you seriously when you say wildly overconfident things, and I don't see the strong argument for Norwee being locktown.

@aristeia now is this more likely to come from partners tho

i can see it coming from partners but im not sure i want to give shirou that many creativity points as scum

yeah, i'm not sure i see this coming from town

Lucian does look like a scum reaction to a dumb fight between townies to me

What.

i vaguely think lucian is probably town here?

But Shurro, how do you know that blonde anime girl is

actually

town?

Idk man if you don't town read Norwee in this game you are never gonna town read him I think

If Petapan came around and flipped him scum I would be instantly pressing the reporting button as much as I love petapan

It's sure to be a secretly bastard game in that universe. The thought of "Norwee is scum here" does not enter my brain anymore at this point, he's basically a confirmed Innocent Child to me.

i mean obviously this is not Really Actually true unless you're scum... i wonder what would happen if we all strictly restricted ourselves to saying true things

I don't feel like he took much of a stance as much as he tried to make it look like as if he has a stance on what is happening in the thread

How am I supposed to take a stance on "hehe guys we should totally kill Norwee I'm not saying why tho just trust me"?

very slightly townread lucian for this

This game was so dead before but now it's so alive that I can't read all posts within time...

:// yeah, i'm going to start responding to only the last 3-4 pages because otherwise I'll be continually catching up

my pronouns are she and her

[Aristeia]

i am fine with being voted off but please do me the courtesy of at least using the correct pronouns when you do so.

[Aristeia]

I also didn’t particurarly like the theories about Shirou bussing from Aristeia. I think it’s to the interest of scum to make Shirou’s reputation falter in this game because there are no nightkills so mafia must really try to make the powerful and potentially problematic players less influental. And Shirou imo is probably one of the strongest players in this list simply because of how menacing he is. Scum nightkill them early almost every game no matter how bad their reads may be at that moment.
Not fanboying, just an observation.

there are nightkills

[petapan]

Save The Dragons replaces BlueBloodedToffee.

The deadline has been extended by 1 day to compensate for the replacements.

New Deadline Timer: (expired on 2023-01-22 10:00:00)

[Shirou]

Ok TGP may be scum

Pina as the the official meta player I want your take on this, and also how much do you know about TGP in general?

UNVOTE:

[Save The Dragons]

hi fam

[Shirou]

I'm not voting TGP yet because I want to see Pina take on it and both me and Pina voting him together at the same time will swing the momentum of the game perhaps

also if I'm wrong and I'm confbiasing myself on thinking that's a post significantly more likely to come from scum!TGP by some sort of meta slash personality combo I want Pina to correct me on it and for the game to not be distracted from the Ari/Una wagons too hard