Community Redux | Postgame

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Hello. Do we know what people's roles were last game?

[furtiveglance]

Hello. Do we know what people's roles were last game?

Kind of, RH made it clear the game was remade though.

It would help me to know whether that was people's towngames or scumgames though

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Hello. Do we know what people's roles were last game?

I don't think so. That's why I posted that tractor existed.

Tractor, pretty sus

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Hello. Do we know what people's roles were last game?

I don't think so. That's why I posted that tractor existed.

Tractor, pretty sus

It's by the silo behind the barn. That's where we all get together to smoke cigarettes and look at dirty magazines.

*When you're Mafia with scheming to do*

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Dease and herta signaling each other maybe

Sadly not but there was some quite clear signaling last game!

This could be a signal actually

VOTE: DeasVail

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2 miller-likes claimed so far, both in their first posts. i cant rlly think of anyway to setup spec this, there weren't any negative town utilities last game from what i can tell

Ok, since Flavia cleared up as best they're comfortable with, I'll make my announcement. The mod said there was a role that checked opposite of their alignment and that's it. So I'm assuming Flavia is a miller. If Flavia is not a miller, we have a godparent.

Mhm okay

When you say you r page 1 wasn't fanatastic, what is it that you mean by that?

This is my first time playing as myself in opening pages in a while (played an anonymous game recently but that felt different). I am struggling, I'm just not scum for it. 13 was disingenous because I made it from a want to post more than having something to say, and that's a way that struggle showed. That's partially why Frog's read on me is something I felt satisfied with despite yknow, its wrongness.

i like meuh's reaction to being voted by nym and my questioning

VOTE: Bell

I was a Miller last time, but I also had a roleblocking component to my role.

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Do we know if RH has changed the setup? Have we had any public information about that?

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I was ill.

DeasVail did a couple towny posts, fair play.

I like Herta but they could be a Tractor.

UNVOTE: DeasVail

I'll find a new vote at some point tomorrow

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Based on KT's limited posting, I'd like to wait for their replacement rather than mercy-killing the slot before one arrives (which I sometimes advocate for!)

NYM and Frogsterking are my townreads so far.

I think MT's vote on KT is a bit suspicious, and I can see 184 coming from Mafia with not much to say.

VOTE: Morning Tweet

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Everyone ignored my MT vote then, and instead Herta and ActionDan called me sus afterwards. Silenced by the mob

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@ActionDan, could you elaborate on what you mean by deniability

155 and 156 is sufficient to claim plausible deniability that you outright claimed being a power role. That is my meaning. I interpret 239 to be more of the same. As I'm sure you're well aware, people have a natural inclination to ease up pressure after their target claims a PR because they hope it might be useful in the night or at least can pin down one's actions in utilizing it to aid in scumhunting the person with the PR. This happened with 4 votes on you so this was an attempt (successfully so) to disassemble the budding wagon. The consequence of which enabled you to avoid posting / scumhunting in thread until just now where you've shown up with a renewed vote on you. Likewise, I'm not impressed regarding the justification of the vote and current read on Flavia. In a low volume content game its a blessing they are such an easy townread. They have a join date of 11/1/2022 and clearly act like it. They are trying to interpret exact flavor/verbiage literally and have repeated it in multiple posts (see 57 , 59). Insistence they are scummy is willful ignorance of what is plain as day.

Furtive's scumread is based on the vote in post 116, when belies a lack of self awareness since if anything in this thread could be interpreted as a traitor crumb its 37 , and 40. Disclaimer: I think traitor hunting is useless blather to be avoided but if someone is seriously on that boat then I'd expect some introspection; a lack of it makes me think the vote on DeasVail was made with malign intent.

@Furtive, I don't hate your vote on MT but don't find it in any way compelling. Non substantive posting is a dime a dozen in this thread, is there any other reason we should "not ignore" your vote, why do you think MT vote on KT was suspicious?

While there are several slots not posting that much 'substantive' stuff, Herta is sort of openly memeing, Andres acknowledged it and said they'd read up, Flavia claimed Miller in a way and I was a Miller last time so that could be true. I feel like MT's vote on KT was more suspicious because it wasn't as self-aware as other people's posts

Besides, it's one thing to ignore me but to then call ME sus.... that's dodgy

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While there are several slots not posting that much 'substantive' stuff, Herta is sort of openly memeing, Andres acknowledged it and said they'd read up, Flavia claimed Miller in a way and I was a Miller last time so that could be true. I feel like MT's vote on KT was more suspicious because it wasn't as self-aware as other people's posts

Besides, it's one thing to ignore me but to then call ME sus.... that's dodgy

I didn't sus you for your vote, but I would like to understand it. I'm not sure what you mean by "not self-aware" as other votes/posts; can you clarify?

You sussed me after my vote, which if you're mafia could be in reaction to it. Same goes for Herta. Not self-aware means I'm not scumreading the other users I mentioned for various reasons one of them being self-awareness and I just condensed that thought into one word.

Lol to everything else you wrote

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Before the day ends let me say this game feels like original community:

Everyone agreeing that someone is scum but I'm not sure (I was wrong last time)

Frogsterking naming the 3p out of nowhere (correct if wrong but didn't that happen last time)

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insert flavour later

N.Y. M,

Patron

, has been executed.

Spoiler: Patron

This was supposed to be a trip to paradise.
Then, the militants came.
Now trapped with an irritated host in that budget hotel, you hope to help the inhabitants eliminate the intruders so you can return to your picture-perfect vacation.

Salutations, you are a

Patron

!

Role Abilities:

• Hotel
  : You are part of a hotel located here.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the
  Residents
  are deceased and at least one
  Resident
  -aligned player remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Hotel sounds cool

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insert flavour later

Bell,

Attaché

, has been ousted to the wilderness.

Spoiler: Attaché

You always knew that there would somebody who needed you.
Deserting your friends and family, you hope that the militants win.
With your flexibility, you can fill in any role left behind, being the indispensable aid that you always wished to be.

Salutations, you are a

Attaché

!

Role Abilities:

• Defector
  : You know of that the
  Delegation
  are … and ….
  
• Deserter
  : You will be endgamed if they are both eliminated.
  
• Substitute
  : You will inherit the role of
  Delegation
  power roles who die, losing this ability in the process.
  
• Recognition
  :
  [REDACTED]

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one
  Delegation
  member remains and all other players are deceased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless

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Hey MariaR I realized that I tunneled your slot D1 but I'm not tunneling it anymore, I just think your slot is super null. Is there any reason you can't out the results of your catchup? Furtiveglance is my main scumread now in big part due to:

Before the day ends let me say this game feels like original community:

Everyone agreeing that someone is scum but I'm not sure (I was wrong last time)

Frogsterking naming the 3p out of nowhere (correct if wrong but didn't that happen last time)

VOTE: furtiveglance

Furtiveglance is "disassociating"--a psychological construct I don't exactly believe in--in 312

This sounds slightly hair-brained but can you explain how I was dissociating?

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Based on KT's limited posting, I'd like to wait for their replacement rather than mercy-killing the slot before one arrives (which I sometimes advocate for!)

Why?

I didn't scumread KT.

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Meuh and Kitty are good guesses for now.

VOTE: Meuh

I think 265 was a large part of killing Bell
Like look at the shift towards limming Bell, I had a strong role in making it happen. My vote is what made Bell officially the leading wagon and removed momentum from Andres, which was the second biggest wagon

This is a self-towncase in response to being voted, based on voting a Traitor.

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This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless

Correct, though I'm almost positive the redacted ability = knowledge of other traitor

Why are you positive? Is that the norm for Traitors on this site?

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PenguinPower can be town, also placed a good vote on the Bell wagon

This is a self-towncase in disguise

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VOTE: herta

I'm changing my vote to here as I prefer to kill a full scum rather than a traitor (furtive.) I want Town to win on D4 exactly. I'm down to quarantine furtive for the rest of the game.

Quarantine? Do I still get voting rights?

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Not that I'm aware of, but it makes a lot of sense to me. Granted im making a couple of implicit assumptions like another traitor existing, and that traitors role pm being a carbon copy. Usually in traitor games there's just 1, but I think it would be a nice bone to throw to them considering their inherent weakness and makes for a better game dynamic

Why another Traitor?

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insert flavour later

Bell,

Attaché

, has been ousted to the wilderness.

Spoiler: Attaché

You always knew that there would somebody who needed you.
Deserting your friends and family, you hope that the militants win.
With your flexibility, you can fill in any role left behind, being the indispensable aid that you always wished to be.

Salutations, you are a

Attaché

!

Role Abilities:

• Defector
  : You know of that the
  Delegation
  are … and ….
  
• Deserter
  : You will be endgamed if they are both eliminated.
  
• Substitute
  : You will inherit the role of
  Delegation
  power roles who die, losing this ability in the process.
  
• Recognition
  :
  [REDACTED]

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one
  Delegation
  member remains and all other players are deceased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless

This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless

Correct, though I'm almost positive the redacted ability = knowledge of other traitor

Why are you positive? Is that the norm for Traitors on this site?

Last game scum didn't know the traitors. And there were two of us.

Ok, but RH did say he'd change the setup in some ways. But point taken

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Furtive, what are your reads on Enchant and MariaR?

I've read Enchant wrong pretty much every game I've played with them, can see them as town or mafia really.

MariaR feels a bit like HotD when they replaced into that one (towngame), vote on Meuh looks a bit self-pres but would probably happen as either alignment.

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because you're a wizard archetype rather than a troll archetype.

Wizard-mercenary, I mean.

While i doubt bulletproof claim (but fairly looks like joke), attitude looks genuine overall.

Furtive being clueless is town for him, i think i know when he fakes it

How am I being clueless

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okay - you're an uncooperative loud fruit vendor. got it.

I think ActionDan is Town regardless of this

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Took me a awhile to put the words to feelings. Or the other way around.

Meuh seems like transparently town to me

It feels like MariaR is manipulating Meuh's impression of her on prev page. Such is the game though I guess

Meuh are you claiming vig who shot Andres/MariaR?

A bit less cool than that, I babysat Andres/MariaR thinking it had a good chance to kill them.

At the time I thought Bell was a traitor so a kill on me was more appealing, paired with good old self-centeredness

this is too weird of a thought process for scum
and i liike these posts

Spoiler:

My take is that Herta is scum trying to get credit for Bell's flip by having his name on the wagon.

Amazing how that fits in perfectly with everything you already believe about the game!

[r]

Cold take: Herta hammers there regardless of alignment.

Meuh and Kitty are good guesses for now.

VOTE: Meuh

I think 265 was a large part of killing Bell
Like look at the shift towards limming Bell, I had a strong role in making it happen. My vote is what made Bell officially the leading wagon and removed momentum from Andres, which was the second biggest wagon

Oh yeah, Bell was a traitor, I didn't realize that

Also, I'm now realizing, so MariaR claimed BPV for nothing, no?

I don't know whether MT is the type to call their partner transparently town. I guess the 3p and maybe another Traitor could explain confusing associatives between my scumreads.

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I want to clarify that furtives first DV vote

was

bad

Why

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Time to put my money where my mouth is

VOTE: Meuh

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Vote Maria, Furtive.

I think Maria is Town. I'll invite you to read her entrance to House of the Dragon.

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VOTE: MariaR

I'm the Hotelier and I adjust the staff protocol of my hotel. I have it set to "night watch" and won't change it for the rest of the game because it gives us the power of like 2 watchers, partially protects me, and functions passively without me (the results are posted by the mod into the hotel thread directly.) So yeah, beat that delegates.

Anyway, last night MariaR visited *someone* in the hotel, aka, MariaR visited N.Y.M last night. I think MariaR is scum by play so I don't believe whatever fake claim.

We're pretty sure that there is scum in the hotel due it's power and I am convinced that player is herta. N.Y.M was sure that herta is scum-in-the-hotel, and I am convinced now due to herta's play today being strictly anti spew. Herta has made like 1 post total in the hotel thread and has been actively avoiding it the entire game.

I *think* the last traitor is furtiveglance and the 3rd party is Meuh but I'm unsure.

Discuss!

What is the hotel? I saw it in NYM's thread and I assumed it was just a neighbourhood. Also, Maria needs to claim.

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Has everyone else posted since the claim? I think Flavia hasn't

MariaR just claim the other lost Mason

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Meh, happens. I'm waiting for the other person to confirm if I was a wolf I wouldn't hold up the game like this but bleh

Why can't you just claim who it is

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Yh it does seem unlikely that Herta was killed by scum. Could be a 3p shield type thing or we could have a doc in the house

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Fwiw scum can't have also killed Herta. The power I used is this: I can protect a player, but if said player isn't targeted by a kill, I kill them instead.
Hence the protective/killing aspect of my role, and why I decided to use my power as a vig shot.

And you win if in last 2 players?

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I can full claim whenever people want

(I'm town, dude)

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Challenge Meuh

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VOTE: Meuh

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Those three Joat abilities don't make sense together, neither does just the one kill.

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Hello no one can vote for anyone apart from me and Meuh

I'm a Duellist

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I think the VC is 1-0

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Everyone has a power role it might be time for mass claim

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ActionDan town though

I do like ActionDan

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Also I’m assuming that furtive’s thing is real and if so I don’t really see anything that could make me think meuh is

not

the option for today

That's what I hoped people would think

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Dease is scum

*midwestern accent* Well how do ya figure is all?

[furtiveglance]

The Town has decided to made their decision.
Bell, a resident turned aide of the Delegation, was sent to the wilderness.

Bell,

Attaché

, has been ousted to the wilderness.

Spoiler: Attaché

You always knew that there would somebody who needed you.
Deserting your friends and family, you hope that the militants win.
With your flexibility, you can fill in any role left behind, being the indispensable aid that you always wished to be.

Salutations, you are a

Attaché

!

Role Abilities:

• Defector
  : You know of that the
  Delegation
  are … and ….
  
• Deserter
  : You will be endgamed if they are both eliminated.
  
• Substitute
  : You will inherit the role of
  Delegation
  power roles who die, losing this ability in the process.
  
• Recognition
  :
  [REDACTED]

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one
  Delegation
  member remains and all other players are deceased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Yeah from this I'd say that 3p doesn't have to die before town win, because Traitor(s) get 'endgamed' if both Delegation die, and 'endgamed' usually implies the end of the game. Quite sad for the 3p. But from the original community's 'Chancellor' (probably been changed now) they seemed to be either townsiding or scumsiding based on who they targeted, so who knows what the 3p wincon is this game.

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Then why did you duel me?

I wanted to use my ability and you were my biggest scumread

[furtiveglance]

I'm clearly not maf so either you kill a townie or you kill a 3p that doesn't need to die

Why are you clearly not maf?

[furtiveglance]

Also I killed Herta last night and that's a nonsensical kill for maf to make

This claim is part of what made me duel you, it seems like you could be gambiting by killing a scumread player to help your claim, as the fact there was only 1 kill is still unexplained

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Where did you get those numbers from ^^?

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Where did you get those numbers from ^^?

Counting

I messed up though, without 2 traitors setup would be 10/3/1 *

OG link viewtopic.php?p=13589331#p13589331

I know the 1st game was 9/4/1 but why do you think this one is 10/3/1?

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i mean i dont really care how many traitors there r i just want to murder the groupscumz

Because you're 3rd party?

reaction gif

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Furtiveglance can you self-meta your scum game?

I wonder why you're asking haha. Time for a trip down memory lane...

Chromavalon (Open 848) I sort of played terribly but it's a weird setup, I just sheeped the Merlins and made it way too obvious who Merlins were. I had the correct solve but teammates disagreed, we lost.

There's Newbie 2093, Val and I sort of half-bussed each other in that but not strongly enough, we lost. That one came down to me not being online at the wrong time in my opinion, some townies right for wrong reasons etc

Deputy Cultists (Open 856) I was a Prime Cultist so I sort of wanted to be voted, but I never was. I tried to be sus but people never voted me for some reason, we lost.

Datisi's Cafe I was Serial Killer with a 1-shot BP, I kinda townsided in terms of day play. Things were going well but then I accidentally smoked the last Mafia towards the end and it made the scumpool too small, I lost.

If you're asking what I'm like as scum, I'm not sure there's a way to summarise it.

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I really wish I didn't have to pick. I think I have to go furtive still.

Dan cmon

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If Pooky is scum then this is his best performance I've seen I think because I think he's kinda town.

PEdit

What is like the gist of the flavor of your role, furtive?

Duellist. I do duels (well just one)

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If Pooky is scum then this is his best performance I've seen I think because I think he's kinda town.

PEdit

What is like the gist of the flavor of your role, furtive?

Duellist. I do duels (well just one)

Huh. Seems like it has some synergy with scum, no?

It would be counter-intuitive as a scum power, and extremely weak. I'm town.

[furtiveglance]

If Pooky is scum then this is his best performance I've seen I think because I think he's kinda town.

PEdit

What is like the gist of the flavor of your role, furtive?

Duellist. I do duels (well just one)

Huh. Seems like it has some synergy with scum, no?

It would be counter-intuitive as a scum power, and extremely weak. I'm town.

Why would it be those things for a traitor though?

I'm not a Traitor.

BuT gO oFf I gUeSs

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oooh and for the SPICIEST timeline GUESS

and I'm gonna call all the cookies if this guess is right hehehehe:


Meuh is MariaR's Mafia Partner and the game ends if we lim her

AND

FurtiveGlance is a Government Agent whose role is a Cop Gladiator whose win condition is "if you gladiate the last mafia and win, then you win instead of the town"

if this guess is right, we lim furtive and his flipped role will confirm meuh as scum and we can yeet her tomm for the win

That kind of win con seems way too hard for a 3p

[furtiveglance]

Town probably would have revealed a roleblock or a protection. I'm kind of leaning towards Meuh purely because we can't explain that coincidence, I guess

I feel like this is a faux pas within the context of MT's read progression on Meuh's slot.

If Pooky is scum then this is his best performance I've seen I think because I think he's kinda town.

PEdit

What is like the gist of the flavor of your role, furtive?

Duellist. I do duels (well just one)

Huh. Seems like it has some synergy with scum, no?

It would be counter-intuitive as a scum power, and extremely weak. I'm town.

Why would it be those things for a traitor though?

I'm not a Traitor.

BuT gO oFf I gUeSs

also i read this and i think "he's leaving something unsaid"

as in he's actually sekrit 3P condemner government assassin dude and not just a mere traitor

Yeah I could see the contrast from 950 as soon as I mentioned traitor.

Is this meant to suggest I should have had more to say? when literally all you're saying is variations on a familiar theme and sort of musing to yourself what the chances of me being scum are. There's a limit to how much productive impact I can have on that.

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oooh and for the SPICIEST timeline GUESS

and I'm gonna call all the cookies if this guess is right hehehehe:


Meuh is MariaR's Mafia Partner and the game ends if we lim her

AND

FurtiveGlance is a Government Agent whose role is a Cop Gladiator whose win condition is "if you gladiate the last mafia and win, then you win instead of the town"

if this guess is right, we lim furtive and his flipped role will confirm meuh as scum and we can yeet her tomm for the win

That kind of win con seems way too hard for a 3p

bruh you've got a 50/50 shot

You have to survive until there's 1 Delegate member left (which you don't even know unless the mod tells you), then challenge, then win.

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I'm leaning AD scum, Flavia 3p myself.

But towny Dan

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Spoiler: furtive on the gladiate, meuh

Fwiw scum can't have also killed Herta. The power I used is this: I can protect a player, but if said player isn't targeted by a kill, I kill them instead.
Hence the protective/killing aspect of my role, and why I decided to use my power as a vig shot.

And you win if in last 2 players?

I can full claim whenever people want

(I'm town, dude)

Challenge Meuh

VOTE: Meuh

Those three Joat abilities don't make sense together, neither does just the one kill.

Hello no one can vote for anyone apart from me and Meuh

I'm a Duellist

Everyone has a power role it might be time for mass claim

Also I’m assuming that furtive’s thing is real and if so I don’t really see anything that could make me think meuh is

not

the option for today

That's what I hoped people would think

Then why did you duel me?

I wanted to use my ability and you were my biggest scumread

I'm clearly not maf so either you kill a townie or you kill a 3p that doesn't need to die

Why are you clearly not maf?

Also I killed Herta last night and that's a nonsensical kill for maf to make

This claim is part of what made me duel you, it seems like you could be gambiting by killing a scumread player to help your claim, as the fact there was only 1 kill is still unexplained

Is furtive usually impulsive?

Like on the one hand it kinda comes across like Meuh felt like a slam dunk to furtive, and (for whatever reason), he just *had* to use his ability

But I could see the claiming stuff being feigned in a sort of rushed attempt to get to the gladiator stuff so he'd be able to use the ability (for whatever nefarious purpose)

Initially I was going to wait on it, but when people started considering options for votes I realised I wanted Meuh and I might as well use my ability

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i dont get why he thinks he gets to gladiate when there wasnt even town consensus on eliminating meuh

like firing off your ability just for shits and giggles doesnt make sense to me when your ability is literally removing voting power from a town.

I don't want town consensus on it, I want to override that.

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Spoiler: furtive on the gladiate, meuh

Fwiw scum can't have also killed Herta. The power I used is this: I can protect a player, but if said player isn't targeted by a kill, I kill them instead.
Hence the protective/killing aspect of my role, and why I decided to use my power as a vig shot.

And you win if in last 2 players?

I can full claim whenever people want

(I'm town, dude)

Challenge Meuh

VOTE: Meuh

Those three Joat abilities don't make sense together, neither does just the one kill.

Hello no one can vote for anyone apart from me and Meuh

I'm a Duellist

Everyone has a power role it might be time for mass claim

Also I’m assuming that furtive’s thing is real and if so I don’t really see anything that could make me think meuh is

not

the option for today

That's what I hoped people would think

Then why did you duel me?

I wanted to use my ability and you were my biggest scumread

I'm clearly not maf so either you kill a townie or you kill a 3p that doesn't need to die

Why are you clearly not maf?

Also I killed Herta last night and that's a nonsensical kill for maf to make

This claim is part of what made me duel you, it seems like you could be gambiting by killing a scumread player to help your claim, as the fact there was only 1 kill is still unexplained

Is furtive usually impulsive?

Like on the one hand it kinda comes across like Meuh felt like a slam dunk to furtive, and (for whatever reason), he just *had* to use his ability

But I could see the claiming stuff being feigned in a sort of rushed attempt to get to the gladiator stuff so he'd be able to use the ability (for whatever nefarious purpose)

Initially I was going to wait on it, but when people started considering options for votes I realised I wanted Meuh and I might as well use my ability

have you ever in a previous game decided to play town dictator and strongarm the elim of your choice over what everyone else wanted? can you cite such a game?

I've never had this kind of role on this site before, but when I get Governor/King whatever IRL or on other sites, I use it yeah.

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I've never had this kind of role on this site before, but when I get Governor/King whatever IRL or on other sites, I use it yeah.

I'm not talking about a gladiator role

I'm talking about any time at all where you decide everyone else is wrong and your opinion matters more than everyone else and you decide to strongarm everyone into eliminating someone you suspect instead of actually getting consensus or caring about what other people think

I don't remember a game in which this has happened, I often have a dissenting opinion but people don't usually drop everything and sheep me like I wish they would

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Is this meant to suggest I should have had more to say?

Yeah: why is a traitor-gladiator bad for scum? I feel like I asked a pretty reasonable and respectful question and you kind of shut down.

I was thinking about a Gladiator being bad for a Delegate, I realised you were right that it's actually useful for a Traitor but I didn't want to say oh you're right, because it doesn't help me.

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Pooky, it's kind of hard to answer your question, because furtive wasn't a gladiator in those other games, so furtive would have to use his voice rather than a gladiator shot in order to strongarm his opinion. Which is a totally different thing

yea but my mental model of how furtive!town plays is

(1) vote scum
(2) dont die
(3) stay in the background

not waving a sword screaming yo we need to kill meuh

That's not the way I try to play, silently vote correctly and withdraw into the hedge like Homer. I don't think anyone really plays like that

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So question. Say meuh is elimed and flips town. What then?

I don't think this will happen but it would be a bummer

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im sure if furtiveglance is a 3P condemner cop who wins on elimming Meuhscum that he believes that she wont flip town

And this role comes from the furthest recesses of your imagination

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dude is not a town leader type player

hes like b-team support who tries not to get mis-elimmed

theres no way he randomly decides he's suddenly tom cruise in mission impossible just cuz his role pm says so

Why are you characterising me in this way? Which games is it based on? I'm not triggered per se, but it's objectively insulting. Not a single user on this site spends their games 'trying not to get mislimmed'

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dude is not a town leader type player

hes like b-team support who tries not to get mis-elimmed

theres no way he randomly decides he's suddenly tom cruise in mission impossible just cuz his role pm says so

Why are you characterising me in this way? Which games is it based on? I'm not triggered per se, but it's objectively insulting. Not a single user on this site spends their games 'trying not to get mislimmed'

how is this objectively insulting, lots of people dont like to be mis-eliminated

You're calling me B team support...and that I sit there, vote, and do nothing else.

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this is my evaluation of your playstyle and there is absolutely nothing wrong with "trying not to be mis-eliminated"

Based on which games

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whats wrong with being b team support

do you have an example of a game where you take on a town leader role and get everyone to follow you?

The game you just modded, I challenged twice. I voted all 5 Mafia.

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this is my evaluation of your playstyle and there is absolutely nothing wrong with "trying not to be mis-eliminated"

Based on which games

house of the dragon - i remember a lot of your posts were self-preservation

The scumteam literally piled on me to try and sneak their win through.

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whats wrong with being b team support

do you have an example of a game where you take on a town leader role and get everyone to follow you?

I always make cases and encourage people to vote with me, whether they do or not is their own decisions.

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im not trying to be insulting at all dude - sorry if i hurt your feelings

i just dont remember ever seeing you being a town leader who strongarms the elim that you want. and im not saying thats a good way to play the game either.

I can give a few examples -
Newbie 2090 I led on Somnus
If Trees Could Scream I led on Porkens
Open 859 I led on Dunnstral and Gamma Emerald

I don't even think I'm answering accurately I'm just linking games where I had good reads because you're calling me a nothing player

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whats wrong with being b team support

do you have an example of a game where you take on a town leader role and get everyone to follow you?

The game you just modded, I challenged twice. I voted all 5 Mafia.

yea the impression i got was that LLD was the town leader who seized control at the end

you challenging was more because you didnt want to get eliminated.

voting and leading arent the same thing either

Ok well you just dodged the main point that I used the challenge mechanic to try and get my way

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I always make cases and encourage people to vote with me, whether they do or not is their own decisions.

ok so why did you decide to gladiate now instead of letting everyone make their own decision

Because I got a fun role and decided to use it. I think I'm right

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it feels like you're really playing into the indignance of being insulted by my characterization of your play which is kind of NAI because you'd be insulted regardless of what your actual role is here.

whereas if you're town and you scumread meuh you should be more annoyed that I refuse to vote Meuh when shes obvscum to you


this is a disconnect in your outrage center

also sorry for accidentally insulting you - really didnt mean it that way

personally i prefer being a b-type background player myself i just have shitty self control

I'm less annoyed about the game yeah. I don't think Meuh or you should be living to ELO regardless of what happens with this vote. I'm more annoyed about you mischaracterising my play and using models for players based on reductive stereotypes which are all too familiar online.

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such a good wincon thanks RH

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I'm going to bed now

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I can't believe I'm about to scoop up my 3p condemner win

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T_T

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Given two nightkills have been stopped, I think it's time for me to out my ability.

Each night I target someone. Anyone who visits that target is told they are registered. If I visit scum, I am immune to all town or 3p actions. If I visit town or 3p, I am immune to all scum actions. I believe scum have tried to kill me twice and failed twice.

N1 I visited NYM
N2 and N3 I visited Frog.

ok. Pooky did you have fun last night?

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Also, I completely misread Meuh which is unfortunate.

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Duellist Daykill: PookyTheMagicalBear

Spoiler: Full reasoning

Made you look. It's not even a real ability

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Personally at this moment I think Titus 3p, furtive traitor that desperately tried to save enchant, and enchant scum that has spiraled into ever increasing fatalism since he entered the game.

It sounds reasonable until you include me. Why am I in there?

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So we kill Dan first to stop 3rd party win then clean up Enchant + MT?

Considering there is probably only 1 mafia left that we need to kill, and there are 9 of us, I could vote out Dan just to see the flip, and if they flip RBer voting Enchant makes the most sense

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I would have too probably. But game is what it is. And Titus is weird. I do not feel comfortable letting her live.

Hold up

If you're town, you know we're nowhere near ELO, so why not self-vote to out Enchant?

Maybe there is a Condemner in this game (apart from me)

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I already claimed, Duellist is my full role

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shouldve dueled me i couldve written up some cool fanfiction

They ran around for a bit and no one died

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hi

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I was the Tractor

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cri

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I still don't get Pooky's point though. You think if I was a Town Duellist I would have just sat on it forever? lol

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This is townsided as *flip*

I think scum had some interesting abilities (well, Titus' role looked cool) but overall agree, I think 2 main mafia with 2 unknown traitors is overrated and probably weaker than 3 main mafia with no traitors

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I'd like to look at the Hotel thing because it sounded quite OP

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sadge. I think a Town Roleblocker is immensely strong with 2 main Mafia, because as soon as 1 dies they become a Cop + Roleblocker (if there's a kill then their target is clear) in a way.

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Town was good well done guys

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Wow. 5 member all Town hood, and everyone in the hood sees any visits to members of the hood. That is busted. Put a sneaky scum in there RH!