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[Shirou]

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[Shirou]

If Ari flips town this is looking like a scum win. I don't want that.

[giuseppina]

i don't get why you want to end the day when we have five+ days left

Because it feels like we’re twiddling thumbs here
The deadline is not something that needs to be utilized to its fullest

i think it generally should be, at least as long as people are posting, gives more information, shrugs,

maybe not to it's absolute fullest because want to avoid certain wagons needing to be forced due to it, but i think it is generally beneficial to use most of it,

i do not understand why aristeia's flip would be inevitable or anything, lots of wagons can still be organized here and can very likely be done in ways other than what shirou is doing here, but i have multiple times previously taken the wheel of the ship (and sometimes steered it off the edge of the world), so

anyway, i'ma go away and try to come back more reasonable

[Shirou]

lots of wagons can still be organized here and can very likely be done in ways other than what shirou is doing here

I

severely

doubt it.

Apathy and a dichotomy of [Ari/Una] has already been established by the fact they have been the most popular wagons for almost half the game so far.

I've many flaws as a player but I do definitely trust my "wagonomics" sense. It's one of the things I focus as scum, understanding what, how and when wagons can happen.

[Toto]

I disagree but also endorse terrorism. I’m conflicted

[Gamma Emerald]

that phrasing does not sound very nice

Do you mean this to me?

Yes
What makes you think “Ari should pledge her vote to me as thanks for saving her” is an enticing statement

[Shirou]

I disagree but also endorse terrorism. I’m conflicted

When things fall into chaos, everyone wants a forceful person to fix it

You should consider allying yourself to my faction Toto!

[Shirou]

that phrasing does not sound very nice

Do you mean this to me?

Yes
What makes you think “Ari should pledge her vote to me as thanks for saving her” is an enticing statement

because it's either that or she's unhappily gonna die today, and in fact, you're helping put her into that predicament

If she's town, or in fact even if she's scum, as long as it's not a town read of hers, she should be fine with any other flip besides herself.

The unique reasons for not accepting is if she thinks her flip needs to happen for town to win somehow, or because...well, I don't feel like she likes my style very much.

[Aristeia]

maybe I am the problem

maybe it is me

[Gamma Emerald]

Toto is the towniest town that every towned

[Shirou]

It's not you Ari

[Shirou]

I'm the problem

I'll take all the blame

I just feel like if you're scum town is in a good spot already but if you're town we very likely lose if Una isn't scum at least.

[Shirou]

Mafia often gets emotional given the nature and longevity of the game, if one of the reasons you said that is due to Lucian replacing out, I don't think you should Ari.

You're a lovely person to be around, I feel that if it's not only due to IRL circumstances that he replaced out, I'm a bigger contributor...but, at the same time, I just suspected him. I'm not even pulling the stuff I did in Dance Game here. I don't think it's

totally

on me if the game is unpleasant so far, but I can take that blame if that's what is necessary because whatever you're wondering about blaming yourself for isn't really your fault I'm sure.

[Shirou]

[Gamma Emerald]

I might also be part of the problem

[Shirou]

Geez...



None of you're the "problem".

[Aristeia]

its just a game

having fun is more important than winning.

if you want to end the day on me just do it.

[Shirou]

Gamma.

I think Ari may be town if Lucian isn't her partner because I'm not sure she would want to scum read Lucian if she's scum and Lucian is town. (In fact, even if they are partners perhaps)

like, Lucian said it annoyed her but Ari didn't change the read. It's likely because it was genuine. There's a chance that it wasn't genuine at all and it's one of the reasons she wasn't pushing Lucian, but I think the odds are that Ari simply genuinely suspected Lucian, and you can't change a read due to it simply troubling someone else that you don't know the alignment of.

Ari likes Lucian a lot as you can see, I think if it annoyed town!Lucian for scum!Ari to suspect him, chances are that she would perhaps tone down/stop it even if it sounded "scummy", I think Ari simply wants to have fun rather than trying too hard to win.

I believe this to be one of the best arguments for Ari being town here. There's some more game related content as well and behavior in general but I'm trying to pick the most convincing argument and I think this is it.

[Shirou]

its just a game

having fun is more important than winning.

if you want to end the day on me just do it.

But I don't want to do it Ari, I think there's slots scummier than you, but I need your

help

.

Can you lend me your vote as long as it's not a town read of yours please...?

I don't think I can convince you to vote for them other than this way.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why don’t you just vote Una.

[Toto]

The voice of reason in me tells me we need to wait for Lucian's replacement and Una to be back from vacation before we brutally murder anyone, unfortunately.

Like even if we don't yeet them we need to know where they stand before end of day.

I don't mind trying to sort VOTE: TGP for now. I want reads other than Shurro from this slot.

[Shirou]

Why don’t you just vote Una.

I may end up voting Una as my final choice, but being able to have Ari's vote on

"almost anyone"

would let me influence the gamestate more for

today

and it would certainly help me sort some stuff out.

Either way, EVEN if I voted Una, Ari is already effectively at E-1 on a

Ari vs Una

dispute, because Una isn't voting her yet.

Even if I vote Una here, without putting a lot of effort on trying to dismantle the current situation, Ari is the one getting killed given she also doesn't seem to have much will to fight left after her previous attempt.

What you're telling me to do wouldn't necessarily change a lot without us putting effort into it, and it feels bad to put effort if I'm the only one doing a favor.

I try to be as kind as possible, but I'm not running a charity.

[Shirou]

I like deals.

I want to strike deals with people.

In fact...a setup about negotiating stuff sounds really cool someone should run it hmm...

[Shirou]

The voice of reason in me tells me we need to wait for Lucian's replacement and Una to be back from vacation before we brutally murder anyone, unfortunately.

Like even if we don't yeet them we need to know where they stand before end of day.

I don't mind trying to sort VOTE: TGP for now. I want reads other than Shurro from this slot.

Thank you Toto.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma.

I think Ari may be town if Lucian isn't her partner because I'm not sure she would want to scum read Lucian if she's scum and Lucian is town. (In fact, even if they are partners perhaps)

like, Lucian said it annoyed her but Ari didn't change the read. It's likely because it was genuine. There's a chance that it wasn't genuine at all and it's one of the reasons she wasn't pushing Lucian, but I think the odds are that Ari simply genuinely suspected Lucian, and you can't change a read due to it simply troubling someone else that you don't know the alignment of.

Ari likes Lucian a lot as you can see, I think if it annoyed town!Lucian for scum!Ari to suspect him, chances are that she would perhaps tone down/stop it even if it sounded "scummy", I think Ari simply wants to have fun rather than trying too hard to win.

I believe this to be one of the best arguments for Ari being town here. There's some more game related content as well and behavior in general but I'm trying to pick the most convincing argument and I think this is it.

I can’t say I followed this that well but I’ll listen to you on this
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