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[Shirou]

VOTE: TGP

I want to do this for now. Ari, if you accept my proposal I hope you can vote TGP then.

If you do I'll try to put some effort in explaining to others why I think there's something really weird in his last post and maybe we can swing the momentum of this game.

[Aristeia]

i dont even think tgp is mafia

[NorwegianboyEE]

I currently think they could be mafia.

[Shirou]

Gamma.

I think Ari may be town if Lucian isn't her partner because I'm not sure she would want to scum read Lucian if she's scum and Lucian is town. (In fact, even if they are partners perhaps)

like, Lucian said it annoyed her but Ari didn't change the read. It's likely because it was genuine. There's a chance that it wasn't genuine at all and it's one of the reasons she wasn't pushing Lucian, but I think the odds are that Ari simply genuinely suspected Lucian, and you can't change a read due to it simply troubling someone else that you don't know the alignment of.

Ari likes Lucian a lot as you can see, I think if it annoyed town!Lucian for scum!Ari to suspect him, chances are that she would perhaps tone down/stop it even if it sounded "scummy", I think Ari simply wants to have fun rather than trying too hard to win.

I believe this to be one of the best arguments for Ari being town here. There's some more game related content as well and behavior in general but I'm trying to pick the most convincing argument and I think this is it.

I can’t say I followed this that well but I’ll listen to you on this
UNVOTE:

Thank you Gamma. For what it's worth I'm not entirely sure on Ari alignment, but I think she's isn't as scummy as some other slots and if Ari is town, I'm probably getting nightkilled and I feel things can go really wrong in that scenario if, I don't know, Una isn't scum either or so.

If we don't flip scum today elsewhere I believe Ari will always kinda be a common suspect anyway and not able to survive all 4 eliminations to endgame.

So...you voted TGP before...would it be asking too much of you to place the vote back?

[Shirou]

i dont even think tgp is mafia

Maybe not but is that worse than dying?

The probability isn't zero, you know that

[NorwegianboyEE]

Remember that time you said you weren't gonna try hard in mafia games anymore Shirou.

[Shirou]

I currently think they could be mafia.

If I'm wrong on TGP I trust you tomorrow to do one of Una/Ari

third pick imo is Lucian, I feel even if he had IRL circumstances to replace out, he would probably be less motivated to play this game if he was scum

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like I’ve been onto something from TGP
It kinda pisses me off that everyone else kinda blew the cover I was working with on the “townslip” from Norwee because I thought I could get TGP to practically scumclaim based on reaction to it

[Aristeia]

i dont even think tgp is mafia

Maybe not but is that worse than dying?

The probability isn't zero, you know that

because me flipping would get some people who are tunneled on me to actually play the game.

and tgp flipping town would keep the game state exactly the same except closer to losing

[Shirou]

Remember that time you said you weren't gonna try hard in mafia games anymore Shirou.

This is actually not me tryhard'ing though

It's just the weekend and I'm bored. It's actually not that hard to dismantle the Ari wagon if she at least gave me her vote

Like, MariaR on the other hand was a herculean effort because almost literally everyone town read the slot.

You don't understand how much sleep I lost because of that game. Now

that

was tryharding.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: TGP
Yeah I’m feeling this

[NorwegianboyEE]

i dont even think tgp is mafia

Maybe not but is that worse than dying?

The probability isn't zero, you know that

because me flipping would get some people who are tunneled on me to actually play the game.

and tgp flipping town would keep the game state exactly the same except closer to losing

There are only three players voting you.
I've not been voting you even if i've been thinking you are likely scum.
You're barely in any danger here so acting like you must die for the game to move on just feels fake.

[Shirou]

i dont even think tgp is mafia

Maybe not but is that worse than dying?

The probability isn't zero, you know that

because me flipping would get some people who are tunneled on me to actually play the game.

and tgp flipping town would keep the game state exactly the same except closer to losing

There are only three players voting you.
I've not been voting you even if i've been thinking you are likely scum.
You're barely in any danger here so acting like you must die for the game to move on just feels fake.

Nah Norwe, she was on E-2 and effectively E-1 just now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i never. Fooled by the vote count yet again.

[Shirou]

However I almost do feel like voting and killing Ari here because I don't think she's for sure town as much as I think we may want to look elsewhere first, and if she's scum it feels bad to let that kind of play live to the end of the day I guess...?

[Aristeia]

i can lend you my vote for limming me if you want

[Shirou]

More importantly though, I think even if Ari dies we may want to create another big wagon and let them compete.

Let people make choices. That's how a game gets readable I think.

At least I heard that from someone much better than me in town play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i can lend you my vote for limming me if you want

[Shirou]

i can lend you my vote for limming me if you want

...

so you aren't gonna vote with us elsewhere but can self-vote...

[Aristeia]

because i think its better win rate to blow me up than lim town-tgp

[Aristeia]

like emotionally i am kind of spent dealing with this game and i think being dead and you knowing my reads are from town me is useful

the win condition is to lim two scum not to never lim town

[Aristeia]

there is nothing that is outside of my scumrange and the only way you know im town is if you flip me so why not do it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My pain is eternal.

[Aristeia]

My pain is eternal.

pain is how you know you're alive

[Shirou]

like emotionally i am kind of spent dealing with this game and i think being dead and you knowing my reads are from town me is useful

the win condition is to lim two scum not to never lim town

Yeah It felt like a S.O.S of "I'm done with this game"

I get you're emotionally spent regardless of alignment but...

I'm probably not here tomorrow and if TGP is scum he may end up endgaming but if you're scum I doubt it, but fine, let's do it then I guess

VOTE: Ari

If you're town you can't blame me here.