HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Elements]

Elements has floored BoP range

Then I don't understand what this meand

[Gimli]

Ah. Burden of proficiency then.

[Gimli]

But idgi either

[Gimli]

Ah It means you were supposed to be playing mafia instead of being a massive potato

[Gimli]

I think

[Elements]

potato shmotato

[Elements]

to me it reads like Frog is saying I'm far out of my town range

[Gimli]

Yeah, I think you are as well

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one hasn't had a good and easy time keeping up but yeah it doesn't think you're looking too good either Elements.

[Killing Joke]

This is self-conscious in a way that indicates scum thinking because she is worried about the hydra slot containing Harley and I.

This is a great way to read into the Titus' hydra bit

Titus let me be the active head in both LOST and Cosmos but town!her tends to have some stronger stances than we’ve seen so far in this game but we’ll see.

However, since she isn’t in a hydra, I would expect to hear more from her because she didn’t do much in redux and was obviously not in a hydra in that. So null for me for now but watching closely. Same with RR. Still don’t like any of STD/Elements/Passenger and Flea’s posting has gotten really good so feel good about that read.

BoP means either your degree of reading accuracy in general or on a specific player.

@Elements, I don’t feel your drive to solve here I usually do.

~Harley

[Elements]

it's a large

[Elements]

not a great defence but it is what it is

[Eiralox]

I have some minor issues with Joker's words but overall blegh. I'm running on sunk costs here. Even if I'm wrong at this point I'm too far gone to turn back.

I'm be in me cabin.

[ActionDan]

Holy moly 10 pages of activity. I have a train ride to read I guess.

[Save The Dragons]

i honestly may have just forgotten the subtext of what i meant because i posted it like a week ago

if you're looking for gotchas you're more likely to find them in honest town than scum covering their tracks

[Killing Joke]

Receipts for my 4 games of Town talking themselves--including myself in the first example--into losing to scum!Dragons for lol reasons:

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Every single time Dragons gets called out early on to varying degrees, spams AtE, a minority of Town slots start advocating for Dragons because they think he's the victim of...being correctly called out I guess...and then predictably they're kept around and the slot goes on to endgame. This is my fifth game against scum!Dragons and I believe this Town is no exception if you refuse now to punish him for being caught. The activity tell is not absolute and the post count can lie. Most of Dragons posts are literally filler to bump his postcount (47, 48) gaslighting his scum tells away (1039) or literally pushing ideas that are specifically documented to make Town lose:

I suspect scum aren't saying much because they're happy with the status quo

Yeah it's weirdly quiet. I don't think this should be the elim today.

Yeah it's weirdly quiet. I don't think this should be the elim today.

This is anti town though and a documented trick to make towns lose.

How to Throw Mafia Games

by Alison
Excerpt from Flashwagons

Many towns will simply heed a call of “flash wagon!” and frantically switch targets like a raid boss having their aggro pulled by a moronic DPS. But some more skeptical playerlists might need a little convincing. Fortunately, you have a wide variety of fallacious arguments that you can pull out of your arsenal in order to convince them. Don’t bother using just one, either: use every one you think you can get away with, especially if other players have limited time (owing to the impending deadline) to refute them. It worked for Duane Gish, and it can work for you.

The first argument you will be using is DADV, which stands for “Dead Air, Dead Villager”.The real-life Italian Mafia abide by a strict code of silence known as omertà. Similarly, forum mafia teams are also bound to a strict code of silence that forbids them from talking whenever a villager is being wagoned. It therefore follows that any game thread which goes for more than five minutes without a post is guaranteed to be wagoning an innocent townie. No self-respecting mafioso would ever wolfread - or, god forbid, vote - a teammate, and so if someone in the game is a consensus suspect, that person is confirmed town, and you should treat them as such.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Alison%29

It was dirty of Dragons to suggest it and you should be more savvy than to go along with him like that, Bella. Are you still scum reading us for being confident and stuff or do you want in on the Crew Core? 'Cause we are about killing the Mutineers one by one while they flail helplessly until they are dead, not befriending them. Are you hardcore enough for that lifestyle?

I think maybe you should be the one to force Dragons on the plank to show you've got what it takes to sail with this Crew Core.

As the Joker I can inform you that it is absolutely too foolish to "give Dragons another chance." Dragons doesn't need "more chances" to mislead Town, Dragons has been given chances, there is no misunderstanding, they are simply scum. I do not want scum!Dragon on this ship and I do not to spend D2 hearing about how scum!Dragon is this or that and that's why they're really, really trying and everyone else is just sooo mean.

I have heard it all before, it was only convincing the first time and every time Town just needed to stop second guessing themselves or falling for AtE. It's not next level play or avant garde to vote Passenger out first because "it doesn't matter which one goes first" and expect it will magically get easier to eliminate Dragons after scum start picking off the players who scumread him. Keeping Dragons around to tapdance his way around our ship is an approach that's boring, plodding, fear-based, didn't work for any of the four Towns I've seen who tried it, and for God's sake read 973: the Dragon slot is told on by Passenger to be a slot scum are willing to compromise themselves over in order to prevent from being the D1 lim.

does anyone other than Frog see a perspective change between 220 and 723, 737?
Coz I don't

I am going to wait on the actual big post to respond, but for now suffice to say I take issue with... a lot of this.

It is certainly NOT the bombshell game solving revelation it was hyped to be

I have two scum reads who want to keep me talking, I've written this post, 973 and 1015, I'm going to stop talking.

[Elements]

1019 is directed to literally everyone

except

you

[Radical Rat]

So... You're taking your ball and going home because I wanted to give you a chance to elaborate on things instead of arguing with incomplete points???

[ActionDan]

Man I love losing posts. I'll consolidate.

What posts of StD's did you find towny?

Assuming this is aimed at me, I won't actually pull specific posts because why the fuck would I when i don't operate on that unless I'm locked on as I read surprisingly over multiple posts and frankly I'm not in the mood to quote wall either.

Overall, his posts have felt and read as genuine, to me his tone is open and often indignant, he's made several attempts to move past the miscommunications and I can honestly understand his perspective here. I feel as scum he would've either gone hard on counter attacks or gone quiet.

The "attacks" on him are absolute bilge water so far as I'm concerned.

Yes many of his posts do read genuine. He is exasperated, he is exhausted, he does have the major pain in the ass and bulwark that is KJ to deal with. That much is true but its not exclusively a town trait. As is an indignant tone or being open. You have to if you want to survive as scum. Being consistently conciliatory and self-effacing makes you a pushover and decreases your chances for survival. Moving past miscommunications should win no one favors, nor do I see that from StD's postings. Take 508 - 512 as an example, or better, the one you were clearly referring to 607 - 626. It takes half a page to state the obvious once its played out while there were better ways to handle that while driving home the supposedly important point that Gimli was acting in character to a scum meta.

Do you not think it a problem that StD hasn't "gone hard on counter attacks"? The reason you think that is that there's hardly any weight to his criticisms of his detractors in 575. I know I didn't feel anything from the paltry and unexacting blurb about me, and the others are of the same quality.

I'm not putting too much effort into digesting Eira's or KJ's reasons for voting StD while they are my wagonmates, much less concerned with them than say, Titus's or Enchant's vote. I have however have a good grasp of why HPE voted StD and I am happy to bat for that if need be.

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I do not have a red polaroid equipped when reading through StD's postings. There are plenty that are not scummy, there are plenty that I could easily see coming from town, for example 762 pushing for engagement with HPE's wagoneers or 809 which is the kind of flipout I'd have expected earlier (ofc I think it's undercut by the very next post but ymmv).

But he's likely scum. There are certain absolutes. One for his past votes on KJ and HPE were bad. Particularly the scumread of HPE. It's not hard to see they are town, and I think StD is competent enough to be able to see that too.

Another thing that caught my eye was post 650. Eira imo did not respond to this properly but in StD's 575 this quote appears:

Eiralox is probably green but i'm still salty that they mischaracterized my...side's, i guess...argument to "wow you have a lot of scumreads" it doesn't look like they actually tried to understand what i was putting out so it's disappointing. other than that i've felt good vibewise about the slot.

I do not think town would have the same rote antagonistic response to 644; despite its... imaginative argumentation... town would not write it off completely as wasted breath.

I also dislike the self-vote pushing to E-2. It wasn't hammerable.

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I can't say I'd be incredibly unhappy if Passenger is flipped instead; I think its rather self evident why (and no its not because he didn't change his vote off HPE after posting a reads list), but this opportunity to elim StD probably won't come again.

I might be around again in the hour before deadline but I think you guys can manage an Elim.

[ActionDan]

Man I love losing posts. I'll consolidate.

What posts of StD's did you find towny?

Assuming this is aimed at me, I won't actually pull specific posts because why the fuck would I when i don't operate on that unless I'm locked on as I read surprisingly over multiple posts and frankly I'm not in the mood to quote wall either.

Overall, his posts have felt and read as genuine, to me his tone is open and often indignant, he's made several attempts to move past the miscommunications and I can honestly understand his perspective here. I feel as scum he would've either gone hard on counter attacks or gone quiet.

The "attacks" on him are absolute bilge water so far as I'm concerned.

Yes many of his posts do read genuine. He is exasperated, he is exhausted, he does have the major pain in the ass and bulwark that is KJ to deal with. That much is true but its not exclusively a town trait. As is an indignant tone or being open. You have to if you want to survive as scum. Being consistently conciliatory and self-effacing makes you a pushover and decreases your chances for survival. Moving past miscommunications should win no one favors, nor do I see that from StD's postings. Take 508 - 512 as an example, or better, the one you were clearly referring to 607 - 626. It takes half a page to state the obvious once its played out while there were better ways to handle that while driving home the supposedly important point that Gimli was acting in character to a scum meta.

Do you not think it a problem that StD hasn't "gone hard on counter attacks"? The reason you think that is that there's hardly any weight to his criticisms of his detractors in 575. I know I didn't feel anything from the paltry and unexacting blurb about me, and the others are of the same quality.

I'm not putting too much effort into digesting Eira's or KJ's reasons for voting StD while they are my wagonmates, much less concerned with them than say, Titus's or Enchant's vote. I have however have a good grasp of why HPE voted StD and I am happy to bat for that if need be.

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I do not have a red polaroid equipped when reading through StD's postings. There are plenty that are not scummy, there are plenty that I could easily see coming from town, for example 762 pushing for engagement with HPE's wagoneers or 809 which is the kind of flipout I'd have expected earlier (ofc I think it's undercut by the very next post but ymmv).

But he's likely scum. There are certain absolutes. One for his past votes on KJ and HPE were bad. Particularly the scumread of HPE. It's not hard to see they are town, and I think StD is competent enough to be able to see that too.

Another thing that caught my eye was post 650. Eira imo did not respond to this properly but in StD's 575 this quote appears:

Eiralox is probably green but i'm still salty that they mischaracterized my...side's, i guess...argument to "wow you have a lot of scumreads" it doesn't look like they actually tried to understand what i was putting out so it's disappointing. other than that i've felt good vibewise about the slot.

I do not think town would have the same rote antagonistic response to 644; despite its... imaginative argumentation... town would not write it off completely as wasted breath.

I also dislike the self-vote pushing to E-2. It wasn't hammerable.

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I can't say I'd be incredibly unhappy if Passenger is flipped instead; I think its rather self evident why (and no its not because he didn't change his vote off HPE after posting a reads list), but this opportunity to elim StD probably won't come again.

I might be around again in the hour before deadline but I think you guys can manage an Elim.

[Gimli]

VOTE: STD

Cya D2 everyone

[Eiralox]

Hm.

[Aisa]

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