HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Aisa]

1.16

Votecount 1.16

Save The Dragons (7):

Wayward Son, ActionDan, Titus, Eiralox, Killing Joke, Enchant, Gimli.

Passenger (7):

BlueBloodedToffee, Flea The Magician, Bellaphant, Malakittens, HighPrincessErinys, Elements, Save The Dragons.

Elements (1):

Passenger.

Gimli (1):

Radical Rat.

Not Voting (0):

-

With 16 players alive, it takes 9 to eliminate someone.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-01-20 01:00:00).

Mod Notes

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[Aisa]

Prodding Wayward Son.

[Elements]

VOTE: StD

[Eiralox]

Hmmm.

[Eiralox]

UNVOTE:

[Enchant]

[Gimli]

Omg eiralox

Wanna go passenger instead? Let's do it, let's flip something

[Killing Joke]

Receipts for my 4 games of Town talking themselves--including myself in the first example--into losing to scum!Dragons for lol reasons:

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=88804

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88987

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=89946

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89954

Every single time Dragons gets called out early on to varying degrees, spams AtE, a minority of Town slots start advocating for Dragons because they think he's the victim of...being correctly called out I guess...and then predictably they're kept around and the slot goes on to endgame. This is my fifth game against scum!Dragons and I believe this Town is no exception if you refuse now to punish him for being caught. The activity tell is not absolute and the post count can lie. Most of Dragons posts are literally filler to bump his postcount (47, 48) gaslighting his scum tells away (1039) or literally pushing ideas that are specifically documented to make Town lose:

I suspect scum aren't saying much because they're happy with the status quo

Yeah it's weirdly quiet. I don't think this should be the elim today.

Yeah it's weirdly quiet. I don't think this should be the elim today.

This is anti town though and a documented trick to make towns lose.

How to Throw Mafia Games

by Alison
Excerpt from Flashwagons

Many towns will simply heed a call of “flash wagon!” and frantically switch targets like a raid boss having their aggro pulled by a moronic DPS. But some more skeptical playerlists might need a little convincing. Fortunately, you have a wide variety of fallacious arguments that you can pull out of your arsenal in order to convince them. Don’t bother using just one, either: use every one you think you can get away with, especially if other players have limited time (owing to the impending deadline) to refute them. It worked for Duane Gish, and it can work for you.

The first argument you will be using is DADV, which stands for “Dead Air, Dead Villager”.The real-life Italian Mafia abide by a strict code of silence known as omertà. Similarly, forum mafia teams are also bound to a strict code of silence that forbids them from talking whenever a villager is being wagoned. It therefore follows that any game thread which goes for more than five minutes without a post is guaranteed to be wagoning an innocent townie. No self-respecting mafioso would ever wolfread - or, god forbid, vote - a teammate, and so if someone in the game is a consensus suspect, that person is confirmed town, and you should treat them as such.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... -Alison%29

It was dirty of Dragons to suggest it and you should be more savvy than to go along with him like that, Bella. Are you still scum reading us for being confident and stuff or do you want in on the Crew Core? 'Cause we are about killing the Mutineers one by one while they flail helplessly until they are dead, not befriending them. Are you hardcore enough for that lifestyle?

I think maybe you should be the one to force Dragons on the plank to show you've got what it takes to sail with this Crew Core.

As the Joker I can inform you that it is absolutely too foolish to "give Dragons another chance." Dragons doesn't need "more chances" to mislead Town, Dragons has been given chances, there is no misunderstanding, they are simply scum. I do not want scum!Dragon on this ship and I do not to spend D2 hearing about how scum!Dragon is this or that and that's why they're really, really trying and everyone else is just sooo mean.

I have heard it all before, it was only convincing the first time and every time Town just needed to stop second guessing themselves or falling for AtE. It's not next level play or avant garde to vote Passenger out first because "it doesn't matter which one goes first" and expect it will magically get easier to eliminate Dragons after scum start picking off the players who scumread him. Keeping Dragons around to tapdance his way around our ship is an approach that's boring, plodding, fear-based, didn't work for any of the four Towns I've seen who tried it, and for God's sake read 973: the Dragon slot is told on by Passenger to be a slot scum are willing to compromise themselves over in order to prevent from being the D1 lim.

does anyone other than Frog see a perspective change between 220 and 723, 737?
Coz I don't

I am going to wait on the actual big post to respond, but for now suffice to say I take issue with... a lot of this.

It is certainly NOT the bombshell game solving revelation it was hyped to be

I have two scum reads who want to keep me talking, I've written this post, 973 and 1015, I'm going to stop talking.

[Eiralox]

VOTE: Save The Dragons

Hmmm.

[Gimli]

Lmao

Ok we've got a E-1

Exciting times

[Gimli]

Go elements>passenger>Titus>RR regardless of how std flips imo

[ActionDan]

If Elements is scum then that does not bode well for the flip for either of these wagons

[Gimli]

She is scum regardless cause she didn't even try to solve at any point, I'm not scumreading her on associatives

[ActionDan]

I just looked at doctor house m.d. game. It took 25 pages before she made a single post that scumhunted. Is there any other game of hers I can reference?

[Gimli]

KJ posted one where she was making reads list and whatnot from the get go. The problem here isn't when she started to scumhunt or whatever, but that she never did it and spent the entire GameDay spite posting and being snarky. Basically never recovered from very early when she voted KJ out of spite

[Gimli]

In doctors she was pretty much town's captain and even if the mech solves may not mean much to this game, it made her a top townread for all the other towns except tabibitos hydra

[Killing Joke]

If Elements is scum then that does not bode well for the flip for either of these wagons

Your statement isn't true because Elements switched her vote in 1052 for a reason. It's scum's job to trick Town into throwing. That's what she's doing: trying to trick Town into Town throwing. It's level 1 wifom.


PEDIT:
Elements was one of Town's sharpest solvers in my scum game I played against town!Elements. She had a full readslist in her second post which she updated throughout D1. She aggressively pushed one of my buddies D1 and made sure they died D2, then did VCA and basically proved that I was their partner on D3. There really is no comparison to her play here and even without meta she's easily findable as scum here IMHO. I guess I can see how it would be confusing a little bit if you've never played with her before and are taking her fake dumb tells at face value.

I'll do a more in depth comparison on her divergent town-scum meta D2.

This is the game I played with her fyi:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=89984&p=13562279#p13562279

[ActionDan]

Alright thanks, I will look over noght

[Save The Dragons]

anyone curious what my role is

[Enchant]

anyone curious what my role is

Go ahead

[Gimli]

Wolf even day vigilante

[Save The Dragons]

vt

[Radical Rat]

Go elements>passenger>Titus>RR regardless of how std flips imo

Intent to hammer.... But I'm REAL grumpy about it.

I still think StD more than likely flips green, I think Joker's tl;dr version of his big major post that apparently never actually existed and was a waste of time waiting for is misrepresentative and bad, I still really want Gimli's head, but.

No lim is worse, and one way or another scum is getting caught with this, so whatever. Hope I'm wrong.

[Radical Rat]

Quote was on accident

[Enchant]

vt

Sorry we hate villagers, we only like LOYAL CREW