Open 871 - The Haunted Village | Postgame

[Marashu]

Official Vote Count 1.01

Elimination

biancospino

(3): Saihara Shuichi, Kyoko Kirigiri, PenguinPower

furtiveglance

(1): Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu

Not_Mafia

(1): Not_Mafia

Kyoko Kirigiri

(1): Gimli

Save The Dragons

(1): Kokichi Oma

Not Voting

(6): furtiveglance, Wednesday Addams, biancospino, Save The Dragons, Maki Harukawa, Kaito Momota

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-01-29 20:03:58).

Mod notes:

• With 13 players alive, 7 votes are required for elimination.

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: code kyoko

[PenguinPower]

im clearly pingu flamethrower

exactly

[biancospino]

@bianco what do you think of the people sussing you?

For Sahiara, clearly I don't agree with the criticism, however I do get where it comes from, and I do find it +town. I got the impression that they were most concerned about

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I said things more than anything, which is reasonable but I don't thinks is this big gotcha or anything.

Now Kyoko I like slightly less; I don't know if it's just miscommunication on my part, but some things I found a bit off.

If not how you concluded that his aggressive reaction and vote is an instance of pocketing?

I've already remarked how this tidbit doesn't really match what I've said, but here "He" should refer to std; I never said his reaction was aggressive, and "his vote" was not a thing that existed, and surely not a thing I mentioned.

Why would he - assuming he is up for no good - would want to redirect people's attention away from his previous RVS vote on page 1?

I really want to know what Kyoko thinks I've said. Again this doesn't seem to match, but I'd gladly accept that there may have been a genuine failure on my part to be clear, or to understand her clearly.

All that being said the way you caught up on these two pages, it looks like shading and for that, I'll put my first FOS on you.

I can see the ratio here, but if I were shading than that was a rather terrible job at it.

[biancospino]

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This game is hard, can I have a clue?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

@bianco what do you think of the people sussing you?

For Sahiara, clearly I don't agree with the criticism, however I do get where it comes from, and I do find it +town. I got the impression that they were most concerned about

how

I said things more than anything, which is reasonable but I don't thinks is this big gotcha or anything.

Now Kyoko I like slightly less; I don't know if it's just miscommunication on my part, but some things I found a bit off.

If not how you concluded that his aggressive reaction and vote is an instance of pocketing?

I've already remarked how this tidbit doesn't really match what I've said, but here "He" should refer to std; I never said his reaction was aggressive, and "his vote" was not a thing that existed, and surely not a thing I mentioned.

Why would he - assuming he is up for no good - would want to redirect people's attention away from his previous RVS vote on page 1?

I really want to know what Kyoko thinks I've said. Again this doesn't seem to match, but I'd gladly accept that there may have been a genuine failure on my part to be clear, or to understand her clearly.

All that being said the way you caught up on these two pages, it looks like shading and for that, I'll put my first FOS on you.

I can see the ratio here, but if I were shading than that was a rather terrible job at it.

About the "aggressive" adjective that I used, it was simply in the context of questioning how a vote can be pocketing. You said he voted to pocket so I didn't understand how did you assume a vote was done in that context for pocketing. never said you said it was aggressive.

the redicration comment is about this part:

(or a very soft attempt to detract the real vote placed on his undeadbuddy, though frankly I would think doing such a thing, with that intention, barely out of RVS when there's no actual indication that relieving pressure would be necessary, has very little to no benefit and would risk outing one's buddy, so I'd be cautioned to exclude this hypotesys).

This is basically you assuming that they are a scum team in hypothesis and considering they are redirecting attention or am I reading it wrong? at least you said its a hypothesis you don't wanna agree with.

Regardless why would you even consider such thing in this context (page 1 of game where nothing is there to even make such links). These assumptions without making conclusions is like you consider everyone guilty before proven innocent rather than trying to scum hunt, which is more common from mafia mindset as they know who are guilty and want to frame everyone else as mafia.

I hope I'm more clear with this explanation.

[biancospino]

About the "aggressive" adjective that I used, it was simply in the context of questioning how a vote can be pocketing. You said he voted to pocket so I didn't understand how did you assume a vote was done in that context for pocketing. never said you said it was aggressive.

Oh, I see where the miscommunication is.
What I meant to say is that

std's post in which he said "I don't see it"

could be construed as pocketing etc -- not the vote.
And that also explain why I found the adjective "aggressive" so bizarre, std was not aggressive in the slightest.

The paranthetical you quoted does indeed only work in the case where std and futive are partners. I said it myself how I don't find it likely, so I don't get where you find me assuming people guilty until proven otherwise. If anything I have advocated for the idea of them being partners to be rejected.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

The paranthetical you quoted does indeed only work in the case where std and futive are partners. I said it myself how I don't find it likely, so I don't get where you find me assuming people guilty until proven otherwise. If anything I have advocated for the idea of them being partners to be rejected.

I'm saying, why did you feel the need to even entertain the idea to reject it at that point in game?

[biancospino]

I was responding to Kokichi. While I though the first idea I entertained was the likeliest of the two, I'm not able to read Kokichi's mind and I don't know what their reasoning was (well, at least taking them at face value that they do have a reasoning), so I felt like it was worth just pointing out other ideas I could possibly see.

[Kaito Momota]

The paranthetical you quoted does indeed only work in the case where std and futive are partners. I said it myself how I don't find it likely, so I don't get where you find me assuming people guilty until proven otherwise. If anything I have advocated for the idea of them being partners to be rejected.

I'm saying, why did you feel the need to even entertain the idea to reject it at that point in game?

Why can't they just be posting what is on their mind?

[Kaito Momota]

I'll wait to say why to see if anyone else catches it and they have the same reasoning.

I don't see it

[Saihara Shuichi]

This back+forth between you two just has Kyoko extrapolating more detail and Bianco just trying to match her pace

Probably not SvS

[Gimli]

Thats the best take possible it feels @saihara

I do think Bianco comes out of that exchange as a likely town, just on having the correct emotions and whatnot while being pressured

[Kaito Momota]

Here is my spin on bianco:

They seem like a person who is putting a lot of effort in. That's not a bad thing, just an observation. Their post 48 seemed like they were saying whatever came to their mind to me.

Post 49 by Saihara Shuichi takes issue with that by pointing out that they aren't saying much, but I think that is just a side effect of writing out their thoughts at the time.

I disagree with post 50 by Kyoko Kirigiri. Specifically, the assertion that post 48 was putting events in the way bianco wanted them; I'm not seeing that, and I don't think shading people is inherently suspicious

[Saihara Shuichi]

These events are just technical mafia babble

"Effort is not bad" yeah but the effort seemed fabricated IMO

[Save The Dragons]

i like bianco and kaito for town

[Saihara Shuichi]

So you think Kyoko is just overly nitpicking then

[Save The Dragons]

well i'm voting for her aren't i lol

[Saihara Shuichi]

Hey I wanted to hear more of your words

We are talking now

[Save The Dragons]

sell me on bianco

[Saihara Shuichi]

If you didn't agree by now then what do you need to be sold on

Why do you tr them

[Save The Dragons]

i thought we were talking

[Save The Dragons]

i like bianco's posts

i don't really have much in the way of specifics, but i think the way they are handling pressure is pretty good

[Saihara Shuichi]

So Kyoko is bad in contrast because?

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think the assumptions were wrong for bianco to make