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[petapan]

Vote Count 2.03

Mount Odin
Baffin Island, Nunavut
Elevation: 2,147 meters

TheGoldenParadox (3):

fireisredsir, Gimli, NorwegianboyEE

fireisredsir (2):

furtiveglance, TheGoldenParadox

Klick (2):

Shirou, Toto

Shirou (1):

Save the Dragons

Not Voting (3):

giuseppina, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick

With 11 alive, it's 6 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 2 is January 24 at 11:00 PM EST.

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[Toto]

Klick felt like opportunistic scum jumping on me. I was also in a bad mood when I read it at 2am tbh. Sorry for the yelling.

[Save The Dragons]

i feel like he's expressed a consistent enough scumread of you to not be opportunistic tho

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: fireisredsir

[Save The Dragons]

i might be willing to go tgp

maybe

[giuseppina]

shirou and thegoldenparadox wagons still feel better to me than fireisredsir

neither furtiveglance nor thegoldenparadox feel very towny to me and aristeia did at times as did fireisredsir’s beginning of day (which i know have to take into consideration that fireisredsir was reading before having an alignment and such but still)

[giuseppina]

have insidious feeling that everything in head is all wrong but do not know how to go about addressing that either

[Save The Dragons]

i think i slightly scumread everyone on TGP and only TGP on fireisredsir

[giuseppina]

i think i slightly scumread everyone on TGP and only TGP on fireisredsir

i guess the main difference is you townreading furtiveglance vs me townreading fireisredsir

could you walk me through how you got from heavily suspecting aubrey to here (unless it was simply the looking at games aubrey provided which felt inconclusive to me but i did not do so in an extremely thorough manner)

[Save The Dragons]

my read on aubrey was mostly based on tone. i read some of the town isos and scum isos and felt more of the same pings from the town isos than i did the scum isos. this suggests that aubrey does play differently as town and scum even if it's pretty subtle, and that my scumdar is calibrated wrongly for that particular individual.

[giuseppina]

will add relooking over those to homework pile

[Save The Dragons]

this is a small thing, but i'd expect scum to go "here's 1 game of scum me and 1 game of town me" whereas someone with nothing to hide, i.e., town, would do what aubrey did and post as much evidence as possible

[giuseppina]

oh hm i have done that as both alignments many times but i do not know if i would be an outlier in that regard

especially if i am a scums at the time and i think there are superficial similarities that might be found in both datasets because then it is like, ‘why would it be providing evidence against itself and also this town game doesn’t look at all like the current game but this one kinda does’ ya know

[Toto]

I'm cautious about Aubrey/Thesus (I like Thesus lesss), but I agree with STD assessment after eyeballing some of the games. There is also another game I played with town!Aubrey (I was scum) which reads somewhat similar tone.

[Toto]

viewtopic.php?f=52&t=69420

[TheGoldenParadox]

this is a small thing, but i'd expect scum to go "here's 1 game of scum me and 1 game of town me" whereas someone with nothing to hide, i.e., town, would do what aubrey did and post as much evidence as possible

i mean in general presumably you don't want to rely on people's handpicked games as evidence of their actual meta
but yes? agree here

[Save The Dragons]

i mean aubrey hand picked 9 games that's a decent sample size and probably harder to hide

[TheGoldenParadox]

std is continuous in a way that makes me think they're town
(i think town implies continuousness but i think it's possible for them to make discrete jumps espz eg overnight. but during dayphases std flows from one read / opinion to the next that makes me tr them)

[giuseppina]

TGP I'm still confused why you didn't clarify that you didn't think it wasn't a hammer when you voted.

You looked at the E-4 post from Shurro, you said "nah", counted yourself, miscounted (fine so far), then... didn't clarify it was not a hammer? The post after the vote also reads a lot a like a post hammer post to me.

vote explanation?
announcing l-1/l-2 seems like a courtesy from my older days but it didn't actually come to my mind to announce l-1 lol

wait while you're here what gave you the impression that shirou thinks i am unsortable or that shirou believes in my ability

wait please this time

i am referring to your readslist not the quoted post of course was just on mobile and didn’t want to go fetch due to time concerns

[Save The Dragons]

i think i'm pretty obv town right now but the fact gimli is a little sus or wants to see if there's room to push in that direction makes me sus of him

but perhaps that's my own arrogance

[TheGoldenParadox]

i mean aubrey hand picked 9 games that's a decent sample size and probably harder to hide

yep, seems reasonable.

i think the aubrey / furtive slot is obvious after furtive's recent posting, btw. townleaned aubrey before but happy to add this to townbloc now

[TheGoldenParadox]

TGP I'm still confused why you didn't clarify that you didn't think it wasn't a hammer when you voted.

You looked at the E-4 post from Shurro, you said "nah", counted yourself, miscounted (fine so far), then... didn't clarify it was not a hammer? The post after the vote also reads a lot a like a post hammer post to me.

vote explanation?
announcing l-1/l-2 seems like a courtesy from my older days but it didn't actually come to my mind to announce l-1 lol

wait while you're here what gave you the impression that shirou thinks i am unsortable or that shirou believes in my ability

wait please this time

i am referring to your readslist not the quoted post of course was just on mobile and didn’t want to go fetch due to time concerns

oh i remember them saying it a couple times (pina is strong and sorts well?) i can try to iso shirou but would prefer not to until i get to computer later

[NorwegianboyEE]

We got this I think

What exactly is ur solve? Lemme see if it makes sense.

if you and shirou are both actually town here i think the worlds are not very numerous so i would appreciate you helping to resolve your half of that if

Yeah i’m sorry for being useless, but i don’t really have much to say other than than the reads i’ve expressed confidence in. The rest are like: "Yeah, they look townie enough… but they could just be really well-playing scum" :/

[TheGoldenParadox]

i think i'm pretty obv town right now but the fact gimli is a little sus or wants to see if there's room to push in that direction makes me sus of him

but perhaps that's my own arrogance

i mean seems reasonable, they aren't deathtunneling you and i could see pushing in that direction being reasonable if someone had reads i disagree with. i think scumgimli would probably try to push one of the easier slots (me, shirou, fire)

[Save The Dragons]

i think scumgimli would probably try to push one of the easier slots (me, shirou, fire)

TheGoldenParadox

(3): fireisredsir,

Gimli

, NorwegianboyEE