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[furtiveglance]

why are people so confident on things that they shouldn't probably be confident on

Did you read their posts

[giuseppina]

shirou and thegoldenparadox wagons still feel better to me than fireisredsir

neither furtiveglance nor thegoldenparadox feel very towny to me and aristeia did at times as did fireisredsir’s beginning of day (which i know have to take into consideration that fireisredsir was reading before having an alignment and such but still)

I'm also curious about why you thought Ari felt towny

like i thought there was a chance she was trying to appeal to me to move the wagons or something at one point as i said at the time but i think the way she was entertaining my thoughts with regards to possible shirou/norwegianboyee worlds shortly after shirou reversed course was in line with what i would expect from town!aristeia and her emotions felt real at the end of day to me even if the self-vote was ??? (as all self-votes generally are)

[Klick]

How are you saying 1) we should sheep klick and 2) we should kill tgp when klick is the only person in this game apparently townreading TGP? Why are you talking about sheeping klick anyway? So you know what sheeping means?

I said that because they have you/CSF as scumreads which I do agree with (sorry CSF)

I didn't actually see that they crossed off TGP

??? I don't scumread CSF

[fireisredsir]

why are people so confident on things that they shouldn't probably be confident on

Did you read their posts

i mean yea i think he's scum but im not staking anything on that i could be wrong idk

[Klick]

I think furtive is unlikely to be scum with how he's been so far

I think Toto's posting has been quite a bit better today as well

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shiki have i never played against town!you before. Cus that might explain why you’re so shockingly town for the first time i seen it.

[Toto]

Maybe the mod lied and we are all town

[giuseppina]

Shiki have i never played against town!you before. Cus that might explain why you’re so shockingly town for the first time i seen it.

i was a scums in the hydra game and in the micro normal so yeah i think so

[giuseppina]

Shiki have i never played against town!you before. Cus that might explain why you’re so shockingly town for the first time i seen it.

i was a scums in the hydra game and in the micro normal so yeah i think so

also,

…

against?

[Save The Dragons]

Maybe the mod lied and we are all town

this theory is growing on me

[NorwegianboyEE]

?

[giuseppina]

?

you would have to be a scums to be playing ‘against’ town!me rather than with town!me here

[Cat Scratch Fever]

TGP comes back to the thread about 6 hours later and

decides that Shirou is probably just town

. This doesn't feel unnatural to me, it feels like TGP calmed down and had a think about actually solving for Shirou's alignment.

But how did he decide that Shirou is probably just town?

It's like this - town players who've been suspicious of someone the whole game aren't just going to suddenly go like "oh lol you're town", there needs to be significant impetus. And I don't see one

Basically - what's his justification for a sudden read change? Did Shirou do anything especially towny in that time? I find it unlikely that he just had a flash of clarity or something

the thing that made me flip to actually townreading shirou was this... feeling of, like, earnestness, this "i actually want to solve the game and will do it in real time and fuck you all while i'm doing it". i don't like the playstyle, but there is a sense in which shirou's posts felt like a rollercoaster where i felt like "yeah, mood, you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and i understand the rollercoaster because i feel that too." whereas scum couldn't do that because they know everyone's alignment and you just can't fabricate that earily

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I saw Furt replaced Aubrey I think? Fwiw my large PoE was [TGP, Klick, Aubrey, Lucian, Toto]

My middle sized PoE was [Klick, Aubrey, TGP] because we've 3 lims and I think there's at least one scum on that, after finding out the scum on it dunno, look at the larger PoE

You don't think fire/Ari is scum anymore?

[Klick]

shirou and thegoldenparadox wagons still feel better to me than fireisredsir

neither furtiveglance nor thegoldenparadox feel very towny to me and aristeia did at times as did fireisredsir’s beginning of day (which i know have to take into consideration that fireisredsir was reading before having an alignment and such but still)

I'm also curious about why you thought Ari felt towny

like i thought there was a chance she was trying to appeal to me to move the wagons or something at one point as i said at the time but i think the way she was entertaining my thoughts with regards to possible shirou/norwegianboyee worlds shortly after shirou reversed course was in line with what i would expect from town!aristeia and her emotions felt real at the end of day to me even if the self-vote was ??? (as all self-votes generally are)

I can't speak to the personal experience
I believe that Ari's emotions were (at least mostly) real, but I also think they were NAI. I can see town and scum reasons for her getting emotional in the way that she did

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I also think TGP's recent posts are p bad btw:

Spoiler:

oh lol last i checked the thread i remember gimli believed me

I think this is slightly anti partnery for Gimli and TGP

I've been poking Gimli a lot, but I'm not confident he's scum, whereas TGP just seems like scum in what he chooses to respond to (not really engaging with the meat of the arguments against him) and how he forms his reads

toto is town, probably—i'm happy to include them in my townbloc. they are wrong about me and i think shirou but not in directions where i would be like "hey, yes, this is very Convenient for you, this Benefits you." they're pushing against two townies. also 1596 is plausibly not out of scumtoto's range but they get townpoints for them

this is one example

fire and pina are pushing in the same "direction" as Toto (all are or were pushing TGP/Shirou team at some point) - why does this make Toto town but not pina or fire?

i am like confident enough in fire scum to self vote immediately tomorrow and spend the entire day pushing for my own elim if they're town lol

Why are you so confident in fire scum ?

but also, ari was scum,

I get that you've been scumreading Ari, but the confidence level seems too high

If TGP flips scum, fire would be my top scumspect tomorrow. I don't think fire has done anything particularly townread worthy, they've been giving me crossbussing vibes, and TGP's bizarre confidence in fire flipping scum only reinforces that

[NorwegianboyEE]

?

you would have to be a scums to be playing ‘against’ town!me rather than with town!me here

Do you actually think semantics like that will lead you anywhere.

[giuseppina]

?

you would have to be a scums to be playing ‘against’ town!me rather than with town!me here

Do you actually think semantics like that will lead you anywhere.

no of course not - that’s why my post was formatted the way it was but i do not think that carried over

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think furtive is unlikely to be scum with how he's been so far

I think Toto's posting has been quite a bit better today as well

Agree, I think both are town

[giuseppina]

?

you would have to be a scums to be playing ‘against’ town!me rather than with town!me here

Do you actually think semantics like that will lead you anywhere.

no of course not - that’s why my post was formatted the way it was but i do not think that carried over

like ‘oh you’re against me here are you eyebrowraise’

[giuseppina]

sorry

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, it was an attempt at an joke.
Now i feel like an ass. :d

[Klick]

TGP comes back to the thread about 6 hours later and

decides that Shirou is probably just town

. This doesn't feel unnatural to me, it feels like TGP calmed down and had a think about actually solving for Shirou's alignment.

But how did he decide that Shirou is probably just town?

It's like this - town players who've been suspicious of someone the whole game aren't just going to suddenly go like "oh lol you're town", there needs to be significant impetus. And I don't see one

Basically - what's his justification for a sudden read change? Did Shirou do anything especially towny in that time? I find it unlikely that he just had a flash of clarity or something

the thing that made me flip to actually townreading shirou was this... feeling of, like, earnestness, this "i actually want to solve the game and will do it in real time and fuck you all while i'm doing it". i don't like the playstyle, but there is a sense in which shirou's posts felt like a rollercoaster where i felt like "yeah, mood, you are wearing your heart on your sleeve and i understand the rollercoaster because i feel that too." whereas scum couldn't do that because they know everyone's alignment and you just can't fabricate that earily

I can read a post or set of posts and have thoughts/feelings about it, go away, come back to it later in a different state of mind and see it entirely differently.

I think the thing that changed was that TGP started trying to actually solve Shirou
Prior to their townread on Shirou their actual solving there felt very... I guess 'level zero' is a good term for it
And then when they actually put some thought into the read they decided that Shirou just made sense as town

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or maybe they just realized Shirou was unlimmable so why make more enemies?

[fireisredsir]

I think the thing that changed was that TGP started trying to actually solve Shirou
Prior to their townread on Shirou their actual solving there felt very... I guess 'level zero' is a good term for it
And then when they actually put some thought into the read they decided that Shirou just made sense as town

idk that seems like a generous interpretation. what makes you so willing to fill in the blanks here?

it feels like you are starting from a place of tgp is town and working backwards