Newbie 2109: Taco Hemingway | Game Over

[DkKoba]

Votecount 1.9

Sztylet - Taco Hemingway

Save The Dragons

(3): KingTroll, Space, CCGeek

Lady Lambdadelta

(3): Save The Dragons, Not Known 15, Dionysus

Not Known 15

(1): Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting

(2): Weuler, AurorusVox



With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline ends in: (expired on 2023-01-22 16:03:39).

[Save The Dragons]

UNVOTE:

[KingTroll]

Wow! I'm coming back to a completely different game, huh?

Welcome to both Dragons and Lady! Didn't expect to play with you so soon here-

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am home but also worn out and exhausted so I'll get to this a bit later.

[Save The Dragons]

are all y'all new to mafia

i think i vibe with players by talking to them so i'd like to get talking

thanks for the welcome

[Lady Lambdadelta]

are all y'all new to mafia

i think i vibe with players by talking to them so i'd like to get talking

thanks for the welcome

KingTroll is not, Vox is an old friend of mine too, and the way Dio talks they're definitely not new either. NK is not new but you know that.

Oh, but I'm new. I'm really in experienced Fen, can you teach me~?

[Save The Dragons]

Oh, but I'm new. I'm really in experienced Fen, can you teach me~?

vote scum

you have learned all i have to teach you *bow*

[CCGeek]

whoa two new subs. Welcome! I'm yet to catch up, just woke up.

are all y'all new to mafia

New to this site, and this is my third game on here. Have played chatroom mafia on another site not related to mafia, so I think that counts as well.

[CCGeek]

... really

in experienced

Fen, can you teach me~?

I see what you did there

[Lady Lambdadelta]

... really

in experienced

Fen, can you teach me~?

I see what you did there

:3

[Space]

are all y'all new to mafia

I’ve played some Social Deduction games before like Town of Salem and Blood on the Clocktower before, but first time (or second time if you count the one I had to be replaced by) playing on one of these sites.
I’m more used to playing this all in one session rather then a week for a day lol.

[CCGeek]

I’m more used to playing this all in one session rather then a week for a day lol.

Same

[AurorusVox]

Hello Fenrir! Please can you give me a read on Fred/LLD slot at your earliest convenience.

Mainly why you avoided answering my question in #68: why me putting CCG at E-2 quickly wasn’t worthy of your suspicion but CCG doing it (potentially accidentally) was? And there was a further point in there about why you are so hesitant to use your vote with any conviction (you’ve continued this with the declaration you’d unvote Frederick if he reached E-1)

P-edit = preview edit: when you edit your post after you initially submit, after seeing new posts which come up in the preview step.

I answered this already in #59. CCG did it off the back of fluff. CCG being at E-2 later on wasn't off the back of fluff. Same for Campbell now.

And I think don't know how else to explain my hesitance beyond what I have said: I don't want scum to hammer a townie. But if you want some clarity I won't be lifting my vote from Campbell unless something big changes as the day progresses.

The consensus is forming that his behaviour is flailing scum, a read I share and I would be comfortable with him being hammered.

So I’ve just isod myself and Dio. On a re-read the only thing that really stands out apart from the other things I’ve already mentioned about Dio before is here in this post.

Reasons for finding Dio suspect:

(1) The inconsistency with people “rushing” eliminations - I think he answered this okay tbh, so I’d retract the reasoning for my initial ping
(2) The self-awareness around his own votes for CCG (NK summed this up well) = conscious of how he is perceived for his votes more than trying to use his vote to effectively scumhunt
(3) Blaming Fred for pushing a CCG narrative combined with the bolded above where he latched onto the “consensus” (= hiding behind others for his reads and suspicions)
(4) Needing prompting to respond to accusations directed at him (= hoping to ignore it so it goes away because he doesn’t have any reasonable, ie “town”, explanations)

@LLD - what makes Dio’s interactions with you worse than NK’s?

[AurorusVox]

Yo we have like 30 hours before deadline.

@CCG why are you providing so little content in your last few posts?

[Dionysus]

Hello Fenrir! Please can you give me a read on Fred/LLD slot at your earliest convenience.

Mainly why you avoided answering my question in #68: why me putting CCG at E-2 quickly wasn’t worthy of your suspicion but CCG doing it (potentially accidentally) was? And there was a further point in there about why you are so hesitant to use your vote with any conviction (you’ve continued this with the declaration you’d unvote Frederick if he reached E-1)

P-edit = preview edit: when you edit your post after you initially submit, after seeing new posts which come up in the preview step.

I answered this already in #59. CCG did it off the back of fluff. CCG being at E-2 later on wasn't off the back of fluff. Same for Campbell now.

And I think don't know how else to explain my hesitance beyond what I have said: I don't want scum to hammer a townie. But if you want some clarity I won't be lifting my vote from Campbell unless something big changes as the day progresses.

The consensus is forming that his behaviour is flailing scum, a read I share and I would be comfortable with him being hammered.

So I’ve just isod myself and Dio. On a re-read the only thing that really stands out apart from the other things I’ve already mentioned about Dio before is here in this post.

Reasons for finding Dio suspect:

(1) The inconsistency with people “rushing” eliminations - I think he answered this okay tbh, so I’d retract the reasoning for my initial ping
(2) The self-awareness around his own votes for CCG (NK summed this up well) = conscious of how he is perceived for his votes more than trying to use his vote to effectively scumhunt
(3) Blaming Fred for pushing a CCG narrative combined with the bolded above where he latched onto the “consensus” (= hiding behind others for his reads and suspicions)
(4) Needing prompting to respond to accusations directed at him (= hoping to ignore it so it goes away because he doesn’t have any reasonable, ie “town”, explanations)

@LLD - what makes Dio’s interactions with you worse than NK’s?

Point 3 is nonsense, sorry. I wasn't hiding behind others' reads, what the hell. I had put my vote on Campbell more than 40 posts before this one you've quoted and I haven't moved it since. And for point 2 I have been over this enough. I didn't want a wreckless hammer. Something you agree with per post #176 where you freaked out at CCG putting WS at E-1? What is it? Should I be aware of where players are at in terms of voting or not? Be consistent please.

[AurorusVox]

Woah nelly. Seems like my post has touched a nerve.

I’ll break point 3 down into its two constituent parts: firstly, you said you were convinced to vote for CCG based on Fred pushing a narrative hard, but when I showed you Fred’s post, there was nothing that would fit that description. As for the Fred vote - it’s the way you phrased it. Why not just say “He appears to me to be flailing scum” rather than there’s a town consensus that you agree with? Hiding might not be the right word for the Fred vote given you were already voting them - I’ll accept that - but it definitely fits for the CCG one; and there’s a similar vibe (even if not an exact parallel) from the post I quoted.

As for the E-1, they are two totally different scenarios. One was early to mid game where a hammer would make someone obvScum. The CCG vote put someone at E-1

whilst someone else who had not voted for that person was themselves at E-1 with declared intent to hammer

. In this case, scum!fred who thinks they’re going to be eliminated either way takes the pot-shot and eliminates WS before they can claim. If you’re already going to be eliminated, being made obvScum makes no difference. The two scenarios are not comparable and I’m surprised you would try to say that they are.

Are you sincere town who is as wound up as you appear in your post at having to defend the same accusations yet again? Or are you frustrated scum who thought they’d gotten by today after the initial suspicion on you faded?

I have been wrestling between head and heart today (head says stick with LLD elimination; heart says don’t), and this little exchange may just have been the chair to the face while the referee’s back was turned I needed to decide an otherwise even match - having to defend those points has only made me believe in their validity more firmly. I’m willing to see where this goes.

VOTE: Dio

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Dio

ALL ABOARD ME JOLLY BOYS GIRLS AND OTHER GENDERS OF CHOICE!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WS is kinda scummy, but their posts have this genuine ring to them? It's weird. The scummiest thing they did was try to connect KT to my slot's death via claiming it's like a chainsaw but... I honestly can see a townie makign that argument, it's not GOOD but it doesn't mean it's not town.

WS slot is one I'll need to see more from, and given it's STD, I'm sure we will.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lol KT is town

one quick ISO look and oh dude that's town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think KT has some decent reason to be on WS, I'll need to look at CCGeek and Space

[Lady Lambdadelta]

CCGeek going in a pile....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Space goes in the same list.

[CCGeek]

Yo we have like 30 hours before deadline.

@CCG why are you providing so little content in your last few posts?

Been busy today, and only kept up with the current page, am catching up on the last 2 pages rn.

Vote: Dio

ALL ABOARD ME JOLLY BOYS GIRLS AND OTHER GENDERS OF CHOICE!

Aye aye Cap'n! Or wait, would the captain technically be Aurorus?
Anyways, VOTE: Diony

sus

. Will ISO him after I catch up.

added vote for votecounter: ~Koba

VOTE: Dionysus

[CCGeek]

That's E-2, I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okkkkkkay.

So!

Here is the list:

NK15
KingTroll
CCGeek
Space

Do you know what this list has in common?

They all have Dionysus at the bottom of their reads list, as scum and have all managed to find the time to either vote for LHF in Fred or to push WS instead.

The WS push by KT while keeping Dio on list is interesting IFF KT has a partner on the Fred wagon and was expecting Fred to die, then to be able to do WS. That partner can be Dio.

Space literally does BOTH.

So... for me

If Dio flips scum, one of these 4 is the partner. It won't be my slot, it probably won't be AV who could have let the clock run out on a Dionysus push, and it's probably not Weuler either.

So for me... if we do Dio today and Dio flips scum, this is the order

Myself, AV, Weuler town

WS- Possible scum counter wagon to mine
KT, CCGeek, NK15, Space- Possible Dio partners, in various orders.

At that point we will have some extra roles to be able to claim and possibly use to clear some people via a claiming method I will grab you from another newbie I played a dead ass long time ago.

But in my mind, if Dio scum, you can be nearly certain of AV and Weuler town. If Dio's town, I'll be alive tomorrow anyway to re-evaluate cause they won't shoot me.