i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[KittyTacky]

I sent you a vegetable. Did anyone else get a vegetable?

If nobody claims veggie'd then there are 2 options:
- I was RBed
- Ranger is ascetic

[KittyTacky]

If it's the former then RBer claims are scummy, why would you roleblock a vendor.

[Ranger]

I assure you I'm not ascetic. I would've claimed that D1.

[Prince of Paterson]

you think csf was universally townread?

Are all people who are not universally townread likely eliminations? Cat Scratch Fever was one of the first pushers of kitten around. Did you take that into account in your read of her?

[McMenno]

I sent you a vegetable. Did anyone else get a vegetable?

If nobody claims veggie'd then there are 2 options:
- I was RBed
- Ranger is ascetic

you sent ranger a veggie? but titus got a fruit. so there are 2 vendors? or ranger + titus got busdrove

[Not_Mafia]

Maybe Titus got a tomato

[HighPrincessErinys]

I assure you I'm not ascetic. I would've claimed that D1.

...Unless you're an Ascetic SK as has been theorized.

[MathBlade]

I sent you a vegetable. Did anyone else get a vegetable?

If nobody claims veggie'd then there are 2 options:
- I was RBed
- Ranger is ascetic

Ranger would have to be even night ascetic.

They did get my fruit (or likely did there were some weird shenanigans).

I am guessing scum shenanigans.

[MathBlade]

She sorry*

[KittyTacky]

I assure you I'm not ascetic. I would've claimed that D1.

Either a scum redirector pogged (see Titus D1) or you're just lying. Or the mod lied but it seems almost too cruel even for a bastard game.

VOTE: Ranger sorry

Also yeah there are 2 vendors, me and Math.

[MathBlade]

I assure you I'm not ascetic. I would've claimed that D1.

Either a scum redirector pogged (see Titus D1) or you're just lying. Or the mod lied but it seems almost too cruel even for a bastard game.

VOTE: Ranger sorry

Also yeah there are 2 vendors, me and Math.

Can you Unvote?

I don’t want Ranger flash wagoned until we can figure out the redirection or see if someone else claims to get your vend. Then maybe we can piece together scum’s intentions since it wasn’t claimed.

Note this is not asking to not elim Ranger (even though I think she’s miselim bait)

It’s asking to make sure at least everyone has a chance to post to see if the vend went anywhere.

[Titus]

While I suspect Ranger, roleblock on a claimed loyal vendor makes sense.

[KittyTacky]

While I suspect Ranger, roleblock on a claimed loyal vendor makes sense.

(I did not claim loyal.)

UNVOTE:

FOS: Ranger

[Gimli]

VOTE: Ranger

Did more thinking and Ranger is always scum or scum siding town here. Discuss

Hard agree

[Gimli]

I think we need to flip ranger by the end of this gameday

Gonna be a bit less active but I'll try to read at some point

[Gimli]

bizarre choices for nightkills, but i guess it's helpful for us? saves us from mis-eliminating catscratch today.

the fact that they didn't go for the top posters yesterday worries me that someone there is scum.

Why would we kill catsctatch?

Are you scum?

[Ranger]

As a heads-up, I'm not starting my reread now. That'll come circa 12 hours from now.

I wanted to address a couple things first.

I assure you I'm not ascetic. I would've claimed that D1.

...Unless you're an Ascetic SK as has been theorized.

Make up your mind.

I can't both be a kitten around scumbuddy and an ascetic serial killer, now, can I?

Ascetic is a role there's zero reason to not claim on D1. It's just as much a guilty for a player to receive No Result as it is for the investigation to go through. Claiming ascetic after a No Result is akin to claiming miller after a cop has already investigated you; not claiming ascetic at all is asking for roles that would otherwise treat you as town to treat you as suspect when their action fails.

I assure you; I am not ascetic or any role immune to actions.

While I suspect Ranger, roleblock on a claimed loyal vendor makes sense.

(I did not claim loyal.)

Do you not find it suspect Titus would say this?

[Ranger]

To continue the reminder, not rereading now. I'll be rereading circa 12 hours from now (this is not an exact time; it's an approximation).
I've about five to ten free minutes now (not enough to read the 96 pages now), I'll have the remainder of my day 12 hours from now (should be enough time to read 96 pages).

I wanted to say this though;
A great deal of the suspicion on me is due to behavior seen as uncharacteristic from me near the end of the day.

Lycanfire's analysis was that my uncharacteristic hard defense of kitten around and lack of change in reads was owed to being a scumbuddy.
It was actually something else. There's no delicate way to say it, but simply put, it was someone not-Ranger leaking through with

her

style and

her

tendencies having taken control. SHE doesn't change her reads. SHE exaggerates the strength of her reads. SHE was there, and I am quite miffed about it because I specifically set out to play

without

her being there specifically because I knew she'd cause damage like that.

If you have speakeasy/GTKAS access, you may be able to understand. If not, you must simply take the word of those who understand. Regardless of their alignments, both Titus and MathBlade (among others) should be able to vouch for HER being like that. So I must apologize. She shouldn't be playing; it

should

be just me.

The reasons I defended kitten around were simple:
I thought kitten around's posts in the neighborhood were indicative of kitten around being town;
I thought kitten around's defense of Gamma Emerald in the neighborhood was town;
I thought their inthread game posts were improving and indicated a town mindset was showing (that they were getting a slow start but amping up to established levels of town);
I thought the reasons for voting kitten around weren't great;
I felt the wagon on kitten around to be suspect (I still hold this belief btw as I'm positive scum bussed);
I had other wagons I preferred, and per HER influence, I was willing to lie about the strength of my read to push the wagons I preferred.

My townread there was not actually that strong; the weak townread was the correct read. I exaggerated because SHE exaggerates reads all the time (to the frustration of players), and I'm ticked off I didn't realize she was there until after the day had ended.

That's why I'm hoping to read the 96 pages later today, this time sticking true to

myself

and being open/honest with my reads because how yesterday went is a reminder of why I

shouldn't

exaggerate reads and/or fail to reassess reads. I wanted to play honestly and fluidly, not rigidly and with false conviction.

I intend to correct that error when I have time, circa 12 hours from now.

[Gimli]

I'm townreading ranger, someone help

[Ranger]

Last post for now (as a reminder, 12 hours from now will be the reread);

12 players voting for Frogsterking (McMenno, Ythan, KittyTacky, imaginality, Titus, furtiveglance, Lycanfire, Elements, Enchant, Quiet Owl, Not_Mafia,

Gamma Emerald

)

11 players voting for kitten around (

Cat Scratch Fever

, Prince of Paterson, McMenno, Lycanfire, Titus, HighPrincessErinys, imaginality, Elements, Enchant, Gimli, Not_Mafia)

You can perhaps understand my doubts in the wagon by looking at the overlap in composition.

Keep in mind HighPrincessErinys, while not

listed

as voting Frogsterking, was fully

pushing

and would've hammered had Gamma not.

The common names are {McMenno, Lycanfire, Elements, Enchant, Not_Mafia, Titus, imaginality, HighPrincessErinys}.

Eight names involved on the D1 mislim were involved in the D2 kitten around wagon.

If you think I had no reason to believe that overlap is suspect, you are lying to yourself and letting biases dictate thoughts.

Don't pretend kitten around flipping scum meant there was no reason to doubt the wagon.

I'm quite convinced scum bussed. If they hadn't, they could've capitalized on the numerous opportunities to wagon elsewhere. kitten around was far from a universal scumread. That the wagon went through is itself suspect. Was anyone defending kitten around outside of me?

There's not enough players defending kitten around for kitten around to have been scum with scumbuddies defending her.

Scum being on the wagon, which they assuredly were, is reason to be suspect of the wagon, even when it later turns out it was scum bussing.
My defense of kitten around was wrong, but my reason for it (the wagon was suspect) remains valid, because there's no way that wagon goes through without scum involved. I realize that my knowing I'm town is part of the bias there, but even without knowing my alignment, can

you

build a coherent scumteam free of bussing?

If you cannot, then perhaps consider

why

.

[furtiveglance]

I'm townreading ranger, someone help

Yeah me too

[furtiveglance]

As for possible roleblocking/redirection of KT, it wasn't me. The thing is it's something Ranger has no reason to lie about as either alignment

[Elements]

VOTE: McMenno

[UltimateGamer]

Okay! Nevermind about Gimli or Lycan. I cannot see a world where either are scum. Ranger looks a whole lot worse and everyone else probably wants my blood now And I deserve it.

Okay so they were a... Compulsive... Disloyal... Doctor...

Okay... So they were a doctor, that used their ability every night regardless of user input, but the doctor ability ONLY worked on townies? So a negative utility for the mafia? Did they get to control who they targeted at all or was it random? If it was random that'd be annoying for them because they could target who they were trying to kill. If it wasn't random it'd be useless because I'd just target some townie that we weren't touching that night.

I thought my role seemed odd.

Anyway, who are we voting for Ranger today Gimli?

[Elements]

Why, what's your role?