Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Alisae]

And back to TSQ like i find their play kinda annoying (as i’m sure they think about me as well) but i just don’t see it as scummy? They’re abrasive, stubborn, and uncompromising which idk that really isn’t the vibe i got from them back in the TM game.

I think Shea is someone who will manipulate their meta to try to look for an edge, so I don't think using prior experiences with the player is a good way to read them.

[Alisae]

And back to TSQ like i find their play kinda annoying (as i’m sure they think about me as well) but i just don’t see it as scummy? They’re abrasive, stubborn, and uncompromising which idk that really isn’t the vibe i got from them back in the TM game.

Can you point out literally anything else about the player that is townie?

[Firebringer]

swap Holmes under the hammer for Board of Mis-directors

Board of Mis-diretors r vs Hyperpost Meta 2.4

Titus (1) : NorwegianboyEE ,
Pysche (2): Save The Dragons, Shirou,
Alisae (0) :
Shirou (1) :T-Bone,

Not Voting (9): Psyche , SirCakez, Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, Alisae,
Haschel Cedricson, Gamma Emerald, Thestatusquo,


With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-06 10:45:00)

Mod Notes: Holmes has been swapped for Mis-directors

[NorwegianboyEE]

And back to TSQ like i find their play kinda annoying (as i’m sure they think about me as well) but i just don’t see it as scummy? They’re abrasive, stubborn, and uncompromising which idk that really isn’t the vibe i got from them back in the TM game.

I think Shea is someone who will manipulate their meta to try to look for an edge, so I don't think using prior experiences with the player is a good way to read them.

You think they would do that just to pocket someone they claim to scumread?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus (0) :
Pysche (0):
Alisae (0) :
Shirou (0) :
Not Voting (13): Psyche , SirCakez, Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, NorwegianboyEE , Alisae,
Shirou, Haschel Cedricson, Gamma Emerald,T-Bone, Thestatusquo, Save The Dragons,

Where are our votes?

[Alisae]

And back to TSQ like i find their play kinda annoying (as i’m sure they think about me as well) but i just don’t see it as scummy? They’re abrasive, stubborn, and uncompromising which idk that really isn’t the vibe i got from them back in the TM game.

I think Shea is someone who will manipulate their meta to try to look for an edge, so I don't think using prior experiences with the player is a good way to read them.

You think they would do that just to pocket someone they claim to scumread?

I'm just saying that I think using meta for the player is foolish because they think they can manipulate theirs.

[Firebringer]

Where are our votes?

Who says you get to vote in this Buisness.

More serious note: working on it.

[Alisae]

Holmes under the Hammer vs Hyperpost Meta 2.2

Enchant (0) :
Alisae (3) : Shirou, Haschel Cedricson, Gamma Emerald,
Shirou (3) :T-Bone, Thestatusquo, Save The Dragons,

Not Voting (7): Psyche , SirCakez, Enchant, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, NorwegianboyEE , Alisae,


With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-06 10:45:00)

All active wolves are voting in this votecount

[Alisae]

I genuinely believe that if wolves wanted my elim in this gamestate, all 4 of them are going to have to find some way onto my wagon.
Cakez doesn't want any part of this challenge, neither does STD. Pooky wanted to take his time and I think it is unlikely he votes me here. I don't think you want to vote either of us.

I believe if wolves wanted my elimination to go through, Psyche and Titus were going to try to find a way onto my wagon and Enchant would have to vote me. So because of this, I think wolves are within the pool of player that is voting.

[Alisae]

Holmes under the Hammer vs Not Cheaters 1.11

Enchant (1): Haschel Cedricson,

furtiveglance (7 - Elimination) : Alisae, Thestatusquo, PookytheMagicalBear, Titus, NorwegianboyEE, T-Bone, Save The Dragons

SirCakez (2) : Enchant, furtiveglance,
T-Bone (0) :

Not Voting (4): Gamma Emerald, Shirou, PenguinPower, SirCakez,


With 14 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate.
Deadline for challenge is (expired on 2023-02-02 15:45:00)

Mod Notes: Searching for replacement for Penguinpower

I would also like to point out this votecount. Shea, T-Bone, and STD are notable here since they were all on wagon and also had votes placed.

STD unvoted at one point and really stated he hated the current challenge.
T-Bone's actions come across as unaligned to me

This leaves Shea.

Titus and Pooky are notable because they weren't actively voting in that count.
Pooky notably said he wanted to take his time and not rush things and I think he's doing that and his question to you reflects that.
This leaves Titus who didn't get a chance to vote during the challenge.

[Alisae]

I also really like Pooky's reaction to Furtive flip.
I really think this guy is a villager this game.

[T-Bone]

I mean I thought Furtive was scum, and I think Shirou is scum? I'm a pretty active voter I think.

[Alisae]

You're not really on my radar tbh.
I feel like during this day phase you've been kind of just doing your own thing.

[Alisae]

I will say tho T-Bone I am anxiously waiting for read list 2.0

[Alisae]

Anyway I'll make what I'm thinking just a little bit clearer

Shirou Norwee Cakez STD Enchant - Solid villager bloc
Haschel T-Bone - Likely to be a villager
Shea Pooky - 1 wolf
Psyche Gamma - Leftovers
Titus - Definitely a wolf. I think if they're a wolf they would definitely move towards voting me w/ 2362. My only regret about this swap is how soon it was, I would have liked to see if they did vote me. It happened though and I think I am probably going to be voting Titus out. I'm also not really happy with their STD re-evaluation.

[Alisae]

VOTE: Titus

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: titus

[T-Bone]

I will say tho T-Bone I am anxiously waiting for read list 2.0

I've been thinking about it. I wanted to mull over how I feel about slots in the middle some more.

[Alisae]

what are your reads, cakez?

enchant town
gamma town
alisae kinda town
t bone town
shirou town

haschel scummish? townish?
norwe idk

penguin kinda scummy
std scumzors
pooky scummish
furtive nullscumish
titus/freedom scummish

StD v Cakez makes me paranoid furtiveglance is a miselimination and it's designed to chain.

Dead air dead villager…

Here is something I would like to bring up as well.
Gamma I remember fixated on me saying dead air dead villager, but titus is showing the same hesitation that furtive might have been an miselimination.

This is something I think makes me interested in Titus because if Titus flips scum, it screams preferential treatment to me.

[Psyche]

wow quite a few new pages. i was worried this might be one of those zombie 100 games.

in general not super impressed w alisae’s style of reasoning/argument. seems motivated in some places and overconfident in others. and after apparently leading a mislim! 2682 just seems an overwrought way of stating that one’s scumreads are among a pool of 8/14 players but seems presented as a form of poe. feels like that time an uber driver tutored me about my star sign. but tbh i've been in a lot of games where i've been irked by patterns like these and decided it was one of those gut reads people keep talking about and ultimately learned that it was a poor one. wish this post could be me announcing a scumlean or whatever bc i assume that's the kind of content you all are saying is missing from my iso but no i guess it's just me whining in the end.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Psyche

[T-Bone]

I put some more thought into this list. Somehow I am less happy with this than I was with 1.0 lol. My feeling on Enchant and Gamma haven't changed. I reluctantly moved Shea up, the reason being that I think Shea is clearly playing on his own and I'm getting from him that he's trying to solve the game.

The rest of my reads are where they are because of Shirou. Not only do I think Shirou is scum, Shirou is like a keystone read for me. Shirou has had a lot of interactions with slots that I think his flip would help me bring clarity as to whether I am right or not. Now that's a selfish way to look at it if he flips town, so I've grouped my reads thusly and I'll explain them real quick. I have Pooky in null because I think if Shirou flips town then I have to have my doubts. But if Shirou flips scum than Pooky is town forever on every game on this site for the rest of time. I kept Alisae in null because of my initial reaction to Shirou swapping Enchant out for the LHF team. I've kept Cakez here to keep Cakez here. I've kept Norwee here because I put STD down as they feel unaligned, so if STD is scum Norwee is not and vise versa. I've kept Titus here as a slot that still hasn't produced anything.

I feel like my scumreads are bad, because I feel like if Shirou is scum he can't be scum with STD, Haschel, or Psyche. But if Shirou is town, then I almost think those three are the only scum possibilities. The confusion I had over what Haschel did and when, and how Shirou reacted to it (by piling on with my incorrect line of thinking), got me thinking. Because here were my top two scum reads clearly opposed to one another and not on the same page. So I don't think they can be scum together. Honestly my instinct after Psyche's last post was to do what Pooky just did. I was fine with Psyche's trolling, in fact I found it hilarious. It's just when I look at it Psyche could easily still be in my nulls but my gut says otherwise? I also don't think with the way Psyche is playing that he'd be aligned with Shirou. Because in my mind Shirou!scum would have tried to go after someone he was calling scum and not a team that isn't here. Shirou backing off of Alisae makes sense as scum. They are having private conversations and its clearly working on Alisae and if I'm honest Alisae is in Shirou's pocket. I have STD here partly as process of elimination, partly because I think STD makes sense specifically with Haschel and Psyche, and partly because StD more than anyone is really shopping for eliminations. I don't think STD and Shirou are scum together because if Shirou is scum I think he would have to engage StD more considering StD keeps voting for him. I think scum players know better than to ignore each other's slots too much. I don't know this is just a gut feeling thinking about their interactions.

What I really hate about what I've done is that I've eliminated a ton of potential teammates with Shirou!scum lol. I just feel very stuck in where I have people right now but I did need to get my thoughts out. I do feel pretty good about Cakez and above on my list I just don't like feeling like that if that makes sense. I also just feel very stuck on this Shirou read in a way I can't shake. I don't know why people are backing off Shirou, this argument and progression with Alisae doesn't look good to me. Alisae looks so pocketed to me right now its distressing.

Spoiler: Reads 2.0

Town Lean
Enchant
Gamma
Shea

Null Lean
Pooky
Alisae
Cakez
Norwee
Titus

Scum Lean
STD
Psyche
Haschel
Shirou

Spoiler: Reads List 1.0

Town Lean
Enchant
Gamma

Null Lean
Cakez
Pooky
Shea
Alisae

Null
STD
Norwee
PP
Titus

Scum Lean
Haschel
Furtive
Shirou

[Thestatusquo]

You're not really on my radar tbh.
I feel like during this day phase you've been kind of just doing your own thing.

yeah cuz he's not pushing you.

Anyway, VOTE: Shirou

[Alisae]

I feel like my scumreads are bad, because I feel like if Shirou is scum he can't be scum with STD, Haschel, or Psyche. But if Shirou is town, then I almost think those three are the only scum possibilities.

there are 4 wolves running around as well. So like one more outside of those 3.
my question is if shirou is a wolf then what the heck is going on in this game?

The confusion I had over what Haschel did and when, and how Shirou reacted to it (by piling on with my incorrect line of thinking), got me thinking. Because here were my top two scum reads clearly opposed to one another and not on the same page. So I don't think they can be scum together.

Where was this?

[Alisae]

You're not really on my radar tbh.
I feel like during this day phase you've been kind of just doing your own thing.

yeah cuz he's not pushing you.

Anyway, VOTE: Shirou