kitten around/furtiveglance+Lady Lambdadelta/Ranger mafia thread

[Korina]

From what I am aware of - yes that would be a draw/stalemate/whatever word you want to use for that situation because neither team can kill the other.

[Ranger]

Okay plan is still a go, then!

It does require us giving the kill to them and them to forfeit a member, but it's doable.

[furtiveglance]

Hydra recruit Lady Lambdadelta

while I think of my fakeclaim

[Ranger]

I stand by my assessment of N3 hydraizer being a valid claim in of itself for what it's worth.

[furtiveglance]

Would that have gated in the title?

[xyzzy]

please choose COOPERATE or BETRAY. you have 24 hours.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wtf is going on

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I see.

Our only win here is Betray, in my mind. We're out manned, out gunned and out positioned. I soooooooooorta doubt the other team picks betray here.

[furtiveglance]

I've wanted to betray since forever, but I also think the other team will choose betray. Betraying is probably better either way. Ranger, I'm assuming you no longer want to co-operate after hearing about the win conditions?

I guess that means one Mafia 'would die' in this night phase...hope it's not us! Also, what do you want our hydra name to be LLD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we have a thread connection to them to like

Talk to them, convince them into cooperating?

[furtiveglance]

Do we have a thread connection to them to like

Talk to them, convince them into cooperating?

No.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

then we should just betray

[furtiveglance]

then we should just betray

[furtiveglance]

That was meant to be a gif of evil laughter. Feel free to redact the contentless post above, mods

[Ranger]

It's unfortunate the choice happens right now. If the selection were later, I would definitely say do not betray. I'm not sure what to do with it happening now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We vote Betray

If Ranger decides they want to vote differently, I'm just a spectator in this game tbh, you all pulled me in and I'll do my best for both of you. I'm sort of considering myself a coach here, lol.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's unfortunate the choice happens right now. If the selection were later, I would definitely say do not betray. I'm not sure what to do with it happening now.

I think that their team is the one with the gun to their head.

Like... it's liekly they are the ones wiped out by Betray x2 right?

[Ranger]

Do we have a thread connection to them to like
Talk to them, convince them into cooperating?

Not directly. There is the neighborhood. From that neighborhood, I signaled to MathBlade to choose cooperate. I mentioned the key phrase and signaled to him unambiguously, so he knows I want to choose cooperation.

My plan was to have the neighborhood be just scum alive so that tomorrow night, we could coordinate actions and orchestrate a tie.

I'm not sure what the math is for the scum death during

this

night. It wasn't supposed to happen until next night at the soonest.

[Ranger]

Ranger, I'm assuming you no longer want to co-operate after hearing about the win conditions?

We could have still won together.

We can’t kill someone who we know is mafia, so we can’t kill McMenno.

A second mafia death means one faction loses their kill, but the other faction loses a member (if both cooperate).

If they have a role capable of permanently surviving, then we may be able to orchestrate a tie, with us having the nightkill and them having the kill foiling.

Otherwise, our only chance for a tie is to have even numbers and hope that the "can’t kill mafia" is carried to the logical conclusion of not suddenly being able to when only scum remain.

MOD: Per our role pm, we cannot kill someone who we know to be mafia.
If there are zero town players left alive and the factions are equal sizes, e.g. 1:1, 2:2, would the result be a stalemate?

Logically PER THE WORDING OF THE ROLE PMs, it

should

be, because there’s no "disabled in endgame" clause. So the inability to kill someone who we know to be mafia should remain, and the inability to eliminate each other would be an eternal stalemate.

From what I am aware of - yes that would be a draw/stalemate/whatever word you want to use for that situation because neither team can kill the other.

The plan was to get us to 2:2, and then eliminate all the town.

In a 2:2 gamestate, the result would have been a tie, because per our role PMs, scum can't kill scum, so 2:2 is a stalemate.

That ability to cooperate depended on scum living through tonight. Since a scum died, I don't know if we have the ability to win now. There's 12 alive, and a scum is going to die bringing us down to 11 with at minimum one faction losing their nightkill.

It

might

still be possible to win, but it's tough regardless. 11 alive with 4 scum (both cooperate), or 9 alive with 2 scum (one/two betray).

We still can win together, but ideally, we needed the ability to coordinate. I wanted to talk to MathBlade more unambiguously on N4.

[Ranger]

MathBlade indicated in 381 from the neighborhood he agreed cooperation was good, but he wasn't going to blindly follow, if it makes a difference.

[furtiveglance]

I agree it's a tough one yeah, but 2 in 9 can be done

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'll get us there. If it's 2 in 9 and we're not White Flag, it's easier, but even if I have to ensure none of us die...

I can help us get there. We betray.

[furtiveglance]

We need to set up a hydra account right? I'll suggest some names, because this is clearly the most important thing on the agenda:

1. Freeman and Freebird Inc./LLC etc
2. Phoenix Wrong (Attorney at Law)
3. Lady and the Champ

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I really want to make a joke about my sudden appearance and confusion to wtf is going on, one second

[Lady Lambdadelta]

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Summon_Phoenix could be funny