HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[Radical Rat]

I object in the strongest terms.

Let Elements share their result, before we all claim this or that.

I want to hear from our Ship's Commissioner.

Absolutely not. If Elements is Town, we're not letting scum know whether it's safe to fakeclaim or not.

what do you think about Gamma's compromise?

I won't push what I want for now, cos Elements has to choose for themselves.

But as you asked for commentary, my stance is very much against a massclaim at this point. I'm sharing what I know when I'm back here......whenever.

If Elements is scum, they can just mirror results. So the argument goes both ways and knowing ourselves I'm not starting it.

I've said my say, others can approach your suggestion from their own minds.

All I know is, right now ain't ideal for that.

If Scum!Elements tailors her results to avoid contradictions, we continue as normal, possibly using other PR results or just doing normal scumhunting.

If they tailor their results to create a false contradiction, then it becomes a 1v1v1, which is the same outcome as if she's Town and there's a genuine contradiction.

As far as Elements herself is concerned, the result is identical claiming before or after a massclaim. But if she is Town, then scum needs to be forced to claim with as little information as possible, to maximize the chance of them fucking it up.

[Eiralox]

Tell ya what, I'll sleep on it. But I'm not claiming, personally, until I want to. Ya'll can do as you wish, I'm not a democracy.

[Gimli]

I already claimed VT anyway

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know if Gimli is scum, I'm open to it overall and I prefer not to vote there today. My solve is "Action" (cough cough) Dan > Gamma > Elements > everyone else. I don't think any of those three slots I named will flip Town and ActionDan with his ISO what it is really should have been flipped D2.

VOTE: ActionDan

I can be persuaded onto Gimli after ActionDan, Gamma and Elements have been flipped pretty much.

If this is about the No readlist thing, how about you trying taking a hint

[Gamma Emerald]

eira, gamma, since you're both here, do you agree with following the poisoned's decision wrt who we're eliminating next?

It feels odd you’re the one asking given your conflict of interest?
I want to think the game over with flips in mind some before voting.

Wrt elements claiming a result for last night, I’d say she claims targets at the start and results at the end.

They already claimed the result, so claiming targets needs to be done After. Let people incriminate themselves and THEN we check for conflicts.

There’s a result from last night as well.

[Malakittens]

Idk but Eira feels like scum failing which is weird bc they aren’t under pressure when they stated acting like that,

I feel like Kj is p clear to be town to me right now between Meta and Titus. So not touching there with a 29008493 foot pole.

Elements im kinda ont be fence about. I can see elements being a scum pr.

Enchant is p town imo

Gamma can go either way

Action Dan can go eight way

Radialrwt might be town but idk how they play but I’m townreading they slot

Flea I think is fae town.

Gimli is gonna be sorted out but obv scum js

Bbt might be town but idk

[ActionDan]

There's not going to be 5 scum. I lean massclaim here anyway. Vig didn't get a shot off which means they might be compromised. 2 parity cop checks should be powerful now and scum will likely not fake claim VT or power into it. And lastly massclaim will be impotent in an e-lo situation which we will likely be in after a miselim and i dont have confidence we'll elim correctly.

[ActionDan]

I still think Bella is pretty scummy but I wonder if it would not be irresponsible to not look into HPE wagoners

What do you think Bella!

Mala could you give a concise summary why you think Gimli scum? I agree with you about Andres meta but that's about as far as I go. Thought his iso again looked townie

[ActionDan]

Also don't really know why enchant getting a pass here unless there's something about their Meta I don't understand

[Radical Rat]

eira, gamma, since you're both here, do you agree with following the poisoned's decision wrt who we're eliminating next?

It feels odd you’re the one asking given your conflict of interest?
I want to think the game over with flips in mind some before voting.

Wrt elements claiming a result for last night, I’d say she claims targets at the start and results at the end.

They already claimed the result, so claiming targets needs to be done After. Let people incriminate themselves and THEN we check for conflicts.

There’s a result from last night as well.

Yes, and it was already claimed. Said they got a different result.

[ActionDan]

I don't know if Gimli is scum, I'm open to it overall and I prefer not to vote there today. My solve is "Action" (cough cough) Dan > Gamma > Elements > everyone else. I don't think any of those three slots I named will flip Town and ActionDan with his ISO what it is really should have been flipped D2.

VOTE: ActionDan

I can be persuaded onto Gimli after ActionDan, Gamma and Elements have been flipped pretty much.

One might have been fooled into thinking you had an off chance to develop a sense of humility after sitting on two town elims!

[Gimli]

Bella and mala are probably two of the scums

[Gimli]

Idrk about bella though but mala has been 100% leaning onto that miller claim

[Gimli]

Liking actiondan, eira (still), maybe RR and maybe gamma's posts this gameday

[Eiralox]

You're no fun anymore

VOTE: Killing Joke


Foooooor the High Princess!

[ActionDan]

In a vacuum KJ has a 30% chance of being scum instead of everyone else's 36.4% chance

[Eiralox]

Sea isn't a vacuum tho.

[Gamma Emerald]

Idrk about bella though but mala has been 100% leaning onto that miller claim

Bella and Mala can be scum imo but I’m not seeing the leaning on the miller claim rn

[Gamma Emerald]

In a vacuum KJ has a 30% chance of being scum instead of everyone else's 36.4% chance

What is the math for this

[Flea The Magician]

I am not angry. I am trying to win though, you're acting all maniac. if we lose we lose, but let's lose trying, not doing this thing you're doing.

As someone who could be currently described as manic, this is an accurate assessment.

I am not spotted. Making me wonder if i need to re-eval or if the scum know i wont townlead...

Oh im limited access from Thursday, mostly phone posting so won't be able to wall it in. Ill be 180 miles from home with my bestie for a week

[ActionDan]

In a vacuum KJ has a 30% chance of being scum instead of everyone else's 36.4% chance

What is the math for this

Glad you asked! Let's learn and rhyme!

As an outside observer looking in, they see 12 alive as numbers grow thin
black spot removes one from the pool, eleven remain - so far we cool?
4/11 is base chance, and it might seem that way too for KJ at a glance
but we know scum did kill, and KJ opted out of that thrill
So separate 1 killer from the group, and you can conclude in one fell swoop
what's left is 3/10, and that's math you can full send!

[Killing Joke]

Why trust me?
Bellaphant?
Radical Rat?
Toffee?

I think trust is too strong a word to describe my solve: ActionDan > Gamma > Elements > everyone else. If I trust anyone aside from Harley, it's Flea because of these posts: 371, 411 and 321. You and Rat have a really pointless dynamic where you tend toward 1v1 each other and it looks like two very uninformed players (38, 1549.) Bellaphant seems to play somewhat different as Town than as scum and I think this is the Town game. I like her votes on Elements D1 (IIRC) and ActionDan D2. BBT I think can still be scum and what holds me back there is that I've wrongly suspected BBT in the past and Harley has some confidence that this is Town!BBT.

I'm opposed to an actual mass claim and in favor of ActionDan, Gamma and Elements hard claiming everything they have. I'm expecting fake claims with the intent to phish so I only want them to claim so that they're locked in and can't change it later.

I saw ActionDan decided to grace the thread with an appearance and wrote some obvscum posts about absolutely nothing helpful. I think the amount of difficulty pushing ActionDan through today will be a litmus test for how much anger I can expect to experience throughout the course of this game. If you ISO ActionDan and can't see that he's scum then I question how often you run up lurk!scum. Their ISOs always look like...ActionDan's.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Action Dan

[Bellaphant]

I responded to your 'case' last day phase, action Dan. No response?

If it's just kj and eira and flea, everyone else needs to wake up: people who wouldn't give reads lists yesterday, people who wouldn't explain their hpe votes and noe three scum reads on Me in one page.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Bella can be scum, too.

Her positioning around that HPE wagon was bad.