Open 873: PYP: Anime Music & Memes - Game Over!

[marcistar]

i grow increasingly more okay with not listening to people below me in the draft but you dont see me complaining

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Marci

SORRY? I CAN'T HEAR YOU FROM ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE!

[notscience]

i grow increasingly more okay with not listening to people below me in the draft but you dont see me complaining

What’s going on marci, you started so good but have fallen off a cliff

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i grow increasingly more okay with not listening to people below me in the draft but you dont see me complaining

What’s going on marci, you started so good but have fallen off a cliff

IF SHE FELL OFF A CLIFF, HOW CAN SHE NOT HEAR ME FROM ALL THE WAY DOWN HERE?

[notscience]

Decoy cliff

[petapan]

that is exactly what im doing peta

okay, so, why?

[marcistar]

i grow increasingly more okay with not listening to people below me in the draft but you dont see me complaining

What’s going on marci, you started so good but have fallen off a cliff

i didnt get responses in the way i wanted so i decided to not even bother :shrug: its simple
cant force something out if people dont naturally wanna give it
just sorta wanted to wait back but now i dont even wanna do that

i also have seen a bunch of bs reasons to sus me, like my activity level or the singular wall post and it honestly just makes me want to thread dodge in response like afk?!?!?! ill show u true afk

[marcistar]

that is exactly what im doing peta

okay, so, why?

saying my thoughts, but not confident brr

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i grow increasingly more okay with not listening to people below me in the draft but you dont see me complaining

What’s going on marci, you started so good but have fallen off a cliff

i didnt get responses in the way i wanted so i decided to not even bother :shrug: its simple
cant force something out if people dont naturally wanna give it
just sorta wanted to wait back but now i dont even wanna do that

i also have seen a bunch of bs reasons to sus me, like my activity level or the singular wall post and it honestly just makes me want to thread dodge in response like afk?!?!?! ill show u true afk

I agree, most people can't post once they're dead.

The truest AFK of them all.

[notscience]

Luke what’s your take on this?

[petapan]

i grow increasingly more okay with not listening to people below me in the draft but you dont see me complaining

What’s going on marci, you started so good but have fallen off a cliff

i didnt get responses in the way i wanted so i decided to not even bother :shrug: its simple
cant force something out if people dont naturally wanna give it
just sorta wanted to wait back but now i dont even wanna do that

i also have seen a bunch of bs reasons to sus me, like my activity level or the singular wall post and it honestly just makes me want to thread dodge in response like afk?!?!?! ill show u true afk

so you're not getting the responses you wanted so your solution is to...simply lurk rather than do something different? why aren't you trying to find scum? is unwnd still the scummiest person to you?


(i, like, hate that you do this in response to pressure but it's at least

something

over

nothing

)

[marcistar]

lurk until i find somwthing i care enough about yeah

and idk lol but i dont see anything i like better yet

[petapan]

lurk until i find somwthing i care enough about yeah

and idk lol but i dont see anything i like better yet

is there a particular reason you're choosing to lurk over being more active?

[Dunnstral]

Since when have you needed someone else to explain how to read me?

I'm not sure what your issue is?

Talk to me about ceph and lld?

I've liked LLD's posts. Not the stuff when she was high, but posts like 420 (heh), 264, 525. I feel like a lot of thought and effort is being put in and I think it comes from town.

Cephrir comes across as complaining which I attribute to their scum game. I disagree with their reads in post 812.

I townread Unwnd, Ydrasse, Lady Lambdadelta, Lukewarm, notscience

I don't like Cephrir, Marcistar, or KingTroll

Can you give me some reasons on those scum reads? Doesn't need to be involved just... Something as to what bothers you.

I don't like how Kingtroll opened the game, and don't like their potrayal of events in post 661. Also I don't like their number pick.

I feel like marcistar has been defending Kingtroll without really understanding the arguments in the first place and it comes across as white knighting to me. I also think their posts are pretty weak otherwise.

[petapan]

white knighting would refer to scum defending a townie, though, so in your perception are they not teamed?

[Dunnstral]

white knighting would refer to scum defending a townie, though, so in your perception are they not teamed?

Yeah Kingtroll would be town if Marci were mafia I think

[GreyICE]

i'm fairly sure in the ensuing decade+ of this setup being run scum have never doubled up, not once. letting town get first shot at the strong PRs is too risky. Was the same when I drafted as scum - we discussed it but chickened out.

now, that being said, let me interrogate your view here - you say unwnd is scum for not paying attention to the draft numbers when he was forming his reads list and putting together two players who can't be scum. what make you certain scum is unlikely to think about/care about such things, as opposed to town who is simply going by feels on day 1 and not thinking about guessing the exact team? maybe he wasn't even paying attention to the numbers. in my experience i feel like town is a lot more likely to be careless about those things and make reads in a free association way, where scum are going to be more concerned with making sure everything makes 'sense' from a draft logic pov

I think town is looking to solve game. I think they're going to use what tools they have. Sure, some people don't give a shit. Does that strike you as Uwnwd? As scum you have to fake that. Not telling you much if I tell you scum know all the townies, right? You can't legitimately scumhunt, you have to fake it. All of that is about fitting in. And moving a few names around because it "looks wrong" or "I wouldn't be townreading that person" is common.

Do I see Uwnwd trying to solve the game? No. Do I see them trying to look like they're trying to solve the game? Yes.

Do I buy your logic that scum are better town than town? Nah bro. People have thought processes, and you can work through what they are. And Uwnwd hasn't talked to Dunnstral once, yet has them as their second scummiest person, when they should be looking to find a firm town read in those two (what they say they care about?)

This is a good vote. Come. Join in.

[unwnd]

So your scumread amounts to that you think my solving is fake because I didn't consider X instead of Y where the attribute of X is me directly talking to Dunn

And when I explained to you our background, you glanced over it

lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So your scumread amounts to that you think my solving is fake because I didn't consider X instead of Y where the attribute of X is me directly talking to Dunn

And when I explained to you our background, you glanced over it

lol

I think more specifically it's

If Luke read is 100% (your words)

and Luke is Scum

And if 2 numbers together are not scum together

then Dunnstral must be town, irregardless of the amount you've spoken to him, because Luke is confidently scum, and the reads should mirror each other and move with that design.

But to have them both in scum either belays a lack of confidence in the Luke read (so If Luke is 100% is FALSE) or a lack of consideration of the number pairing, which is what his critique is.

If I'm understanding it correctly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not sure, for my interpretation, it matters much if you spoke or didn't to Dunnstral beyond "talking to Dunnstral allows for an attempt to verify your read by possibly finding Dunnstral scum.

It's more that if Luke IS scum than it's fine if you talk to dunn to find him town or if you don't talk to dunn and just ASSUME he's town.

What's weird is not talking to dunn and putting him in scum while scumreading Luke.

[unwnd]

I think your case is inherently flawed as you cast a depiction as if I should be some kind of Mafia AI whose logical side is just a product and not some I dunno, human thing. I'm not perfect and I make mistakes. Yet in your case you believe that that any processed error is just a fault that I didn't count for which makes me scum? I'll flip my reads, do a little twirl, fall on my ass and look stupid while doing it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think your case is inherently flawed as you cast a depiction as if I should be some kind of Mafia AI whose logical side is just a product and not some I dunno, human thing. I'm not perfect and I make mistakes. Yet in your case you believe that that any processed error is just a fault that I didn't count for which makes me scum? I'll flip my reads, do a little twirl, fall on my ass and look stupid while doing it.

I mean, I don't think there's an assumption of perfection required for this case to be reasonable. Just an assumption of competence and a specific personality type, both of which you have.

To be clear, I'm still 100% townreading you, but I think that this is a town GreyICE case because it follows a logical path that I'm trying to show you, so that this doesn't devolve into you two trying to kill each other because I think you're both town.

[unwnd]

I'm not sure, for my interpretation, it matters much if you spoke or didn't to Dunnstral beyond "talking to Dunnstral allows for an attempt to verify your read by possibly finding Dunnstral scum.

It's more that if Luke IS scum than it's fine if you talk to dunn to find him town or if you don't talk to dunn and just ASSUME he's town.

What's weird is not talking to dunn and putting him in scum while scumreading Luke.

Didn't think of talking to Dunn cause we usually don't, gave my reasons earlier. Said a bit of my piece on why he's down there in the first place.

Could change my mind hehe we'll see

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and incase you are worried about it, I'll go back to less happy go lucky LLD to force my views through if the day looks as if it will end with your elimination, Unwnd.

I refuse to allow my top townread to be the person to die today.

[unwnd]

I mean no offense

It should be fucking obvious I'm town but is it love for the game or some sort of madness that keeps me here?