i designed this setup in 2019 [game over]

[Not_Mafia]

Doesn't make me scum

[Gimli]

yes it does

[Summon The Phoenix]

@Not_Mafia did you have your hammer power since game start or acquire it during the game?

I was given it night 2, I don't know how, why or by whom

Why didn't you say this here?

-Summon

[Gimli]

they went full memes with their inventions, isn't that awesome

[imaginality]

I agree with Titus that given we're both dying tonight (I checked with the mod just in case one or both of us could somehow be saved by a doc tonight but nope), it's time to mass claim.

Pedit: Not_Mafia's response to my question is more reason to mass claim as it proves NM town (given the disloyal inventor) if we can rule out them having received the hammer via a bus drive or redirect.

Enchant is a disloyal inventor so couldn't

directly

vend to teammates.

It's possible if the remaining mafia (if any) have a bus driver or redirector that Enchant could vend to player A and then get the hammer into NM's hands. It's also possible that the town bus driver got it into NM's hands by chance (though that would imply scum gave it to someone they didn't target for the nightkill, or that the nightkill target was protected (but that doesn't fit with the two kills per night)).

Personally I think it reasonably plausible scum Enchant gave the hammer to town NM with intent of getting more town cred when claiming later. But mass claim here will certainly help narrow down the possibilities.

[Gimli]

oh its disloyal? holy shit

[Gimli]

UNVOTE:

[Not_Mafia]

@Not_Mafia did you have your hammer power since game start or acquire it during the game?

I was given it night 2, I don't know how, why or by whom

Why didn't you say this here?

-Summon

I wasn't asked

[Titus]

oh its disloyal? holy shit

This is helpful to massclaim for X reason.

Can we do this now?

[Titus]

I agree with Titus that given we're both dying tonight (I checked with the mod just in case one or both of us could somehow be saved by a doc tonight but nope), it's time to mass claim.

Pedit: Not_Mafia's response to my question is more reason to mass claim as it proves NM town (given the disloyal inventor) if we can rule out them having received the hammer via a bus drive or redirect.

Enchant is a disloyal inventor so couldn't

directly

vend to teammates.

It's possible if the remaining mafia (if any) have a bus driver or redirector that Enchant could vend to player A and then get the hammer into NM's hands. It's also possible that the town bus driver got it into NM's hands by chance (though that would imply scum gave it to someone they didn't target for the nightkill, or that the nightkill target was protected (but that doesn't fit with the two kills per night)).

Personally I think it reasonably plausible scum Enchant gave the hammer to town NM with intent of getting more town cred when claiming later. But mass claim here will certainly help narrow down the possibilities.

I think Lycanfire was dead.

[Prince of Paterson]

I find it annoying that Titus says that she shouldn't need to clarify her role because she says she has made it clear multiple times. When actually, twice now today, she has changed her claim from what it was previously despite saying earlier it was a fullclaim. I don't know why she expects that we should take her at her word.

It feels like she keeps changing the claim to whatever is currently convenient to her. Why would imaginality be a night 5 rolecop while

also

Lovers with Titus who is

also

a compulsive night 4 suicide bomber? He always dies before getting to use his rolecop? Why has this never come up until now? Why did she earlier this day phase insist that imaginality would be conftown on her flip if he's going to die anyway?

[Prince of Paterson]

Now both are insisting on a massclaim for vague reasons when the mod explicitly warned us that massclaiming would probably be end poorly for town.

[Prince of Paterson]

Pedit: Not_Mafia's response to my question is more reason to mass claim as it proves NM town (given the disloyal inventor) if we can rule out them having received the hammer via a bus drive or redirect.

Enchant is a disloyal inventor so couldn't

directly

vend to teammates.

It's possible if the remaining mafia (if any) have a bus driver or redirector that Enchant could vend to player A and then get the hammer into NM's hands. It's also possible that the town bus driver got it into NM's hands by chance (though that would imply scum gave it to someone they didn't target for the nightkill, or that the nightkill target was protected (but that doesn't fit with the two kills per night)).

Personally I think it reasonably plausible scum Enchant gave the hammer to town NM with intent of getting more town cred when claiming later. But mass claim here will certainly help narrow down the possibilities.

Giving this as a rationale for massclaiming is negligent or malicious. If Not_Mafia is scum, then there is no reason to believe that he is telling the truth that he received the hammer power and that it wasn't something he had all along. Saying that his own word proves him as town is, at best, an extreme lack of critical thinking.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey can I ask a very fair question?

If this is something NM was gifted, why did he claim to have to post a miltank with a hammer as part of it? Wouldn't that be something that would appear in his role PM over an invention?

Furthermore, why did NM withhold that info until the moment it would potentially spare him?

The whole thing is fishy top to bottom.

[Prince of Paterson]

Do you have a reason you're appealing to the crowd in this manner? If you find it suspicious, why not make the case and push it? This seems unusual to me.

Not_Mafia was a replacement, so I believe that it makes more sense that it was something given to him midgame, and Enchant was allowed to flavor his inventions. It seems very fitting that he would give Not_Mafia that power, as they both have a joy for hammering.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you have a reason you're appealing to the crowd in this manner? If you find it suspicious, why not make the case and push it? This seems unusual to me.

Not_Mafia was a replacement, so I believe that it makes more sense that it was something given to him midgame, and Enchant was allowed to flavor his inventions. It seems very fitting that he would give Not_Mafia that power, as they both have a joy for hammering.

Appealing to the crowd gives everyone a chance to answer, which solves things like "NM was a replacement" which I didn't know.

that's why, my dude. Because I'm days behind in this game so when I make an argument like that I'm literally asking for someone to disprove it for me or come in and provide more evidence to solidify it because I don't HAVE THAT EVIDENCE

lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like cut me a little slack here as I try to engage with this game, open invitations for engagement are a great tool for this why are you pressed about that?

[Titus]

I find it annoying that Titus says that she shouldn't need to clarify her role because she says she has made it clear multiple times. When actually, twice now today, she has changed her claim from what it was previously despite saying earlier it was a fullclaim. I don't know why she expects that we should take her at her word.

It feels like she keeps changing the claim to whatever is currently convenient to her. Why would imaginality be a night 5 rolecop while

also

Lovers with Titus who is

also

a compulsive night 4 suicide bomber? He always dies before getting to use his rolecop? Why has this never come up until now? Why did she earlier this day phase insist that imaginality would be conftown on her flip if he's going to die anyway?

Disloyal doctor. I expected a protective role if I was cleared. I just didn't expect it to be scum. Yes it doesn't make sense from a design perspective but it punishes scum for protecting me.

[Prince of Paterson]

Like cut me a little slack here as I try to engage with this game, open invitations for engagement are a great tool for this why are you pressed about that?

Reasonable. It didn't come across like you were looking for more information, it sounded more like you wanted others to come to the conclusion you had. I may have read too much into it, though. It surprised me as an approach, is all.

[Prince of Paterson]

I find it annoying that Titus says that she shouldn't need to clarify her role because she says she has made it clear multiple times. When actually, twice now today, she has changed her claim from what it was previously despite saying earlier it was a fullclaim. I don't know why she expects that we should take her at her word.

It feels like she keeps changing the claim to whatever is currently convenient to her. Why would imaginality be a night 5 rolecop while

also

Lovers with Titus who is

also

a compulsive night 4 suicide bomber? He always dies before getting to use his rolecop? Why has this never come up until now? Why did she earlier this day phase insist that imaginality would be conftown on her flip if he's going to die anyway?

Disloyal doctor. I expected a protective role if I was cleared. I just didn't expect it to be scum. Yes it doesn't make sense from a design perspective but it punishes scum for protecting me.

Except imaginality just said that neither of you can be saved by a protective role. Get your stories straight.

[Gimli]

IDK what to do next. who are we eliminating? QO or ranger?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like cut me a little slack here as I try to engage with this game, open invitations for engagement are a great tool for this why are you pressed about that?

Reasonable. It didn't come across like you were looking for more information, it sounded more like you wanted others to come to the conclusion you had. I may have read too much into it, though. It surprised me as an approach, is all.

I mean, it probably came across that way because the implied question was "uh, am I crazy or does this all add up to being this obvious thing?"

it was a sanity check of a question opened to the whole thread for the opportunity to support or deny the take. It's... like playing Cleudo? You present a world and ask if anyone can disprove it and if no one does.... it's a good sign that world has some merit to explore, at minimum.

[Gimli]

I find it annoying that Titus says that she shouldn't need to clarify her role because she says she has made it clear multiple times. When actually, twice now today, she has changed her claim from what it was previously despite saying earlier it was a fullclaim. I don't know why she expects that we should take her at her word.

It feels like she keeps changing the claim to whatever is currently convenient to her. Why would imaginality be a night 5 rolecop while

also

Lovers with Titus who is

also

a compulsive night 4 suicide bomber? He always dies before getting to use his rolecop? Why has this never come up until now? Why did she earlier this day phase insist that imaginality would be conftown on her flip if he's going to die anyway?

wait

what?

[Prince of Paterson]

Am I the only one who has issues with Titus and her claim?

[Gimli]

why would a night 5 rolecop be lovers with a compulsive night 4 suicide bomber? jesus.

pedit: yeah I can see it now. I somehow didn't know they were lovers.