Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[Gimli]

the consistency was brought up by kyoko (who is also scumreading TL)

I'm feeling like herta in that I don't townread TL enough to stop a flip and I'll gladly eliminate him cause it feels like it'll be a constant distraction if town cause I don't think his posts will sway anyone that is currently SRing him

[Aisa]

Summary of claims so far:

Herta
Pick: Universal Miller (Must Pick)

TemporalLich
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Discard: Extension

Doctor Drew
Pick: Meta-Neighbour

Kyoko Kirigiri
Discard: Vanilla

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Discard: Vanilla

Enchant
Discard: Untopped Post Restrictor

To my understanding Doctor Drew didn't pick Meta-Neighbour; by TL picking it, Doctor Drew's slot was brought into the neighbourhood.

Ooh right, that could very well be the case!

I'm debating whether I should force the claim issue or wait a day to prove myself. I will say I have a role that is difficult for scum to interfere with and works best when coordinated with town. I have a back-up plan if we decide to not coordinate.

I guess that if you think it's best to massclaim I'm willing to go with it!

the consistency was brought up by kyoko (who is also scumreading TL)

I'm feeling like herta in that I don't townread TL enough to stop a flip and I'll gladly eliminate him cause it feels like it'll be a constant distraction if town cause I don't think his posts will sway anyone that is currently SRing him

I wanna toss my name in the hat as someone who wouldn't mind some time to look at other slots, sorry, I realise I've been contributing to the problem of lots of attention on TL so far. I'll talk to someone else.
...Tomorrow. After I sleep

[Doctor Drew]

Summary of claims so far:

Herta
Pick: Universal Miller (Must Pick)

TemporalLich
Pick: Meta-Neighbour
Discard: Extension

Doctor Drew
Pick: Meta-Neighbour

Kyoko Kirigiri
Discard: Vanilla

Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu
Discard: Vanilla

Enchant
Discard: Untopped Post Restrictor

To my understanding Doctor Drew didn't pick Meta-Neighbour; by TL picking it, Doctor Drew's slot was brought into the neighbourhood.

I was gonna say the same thing lol, I didn't choose the life, the life chose me(by randomly being selected by TL's choice of role into the hood).

I have claimed anything.

Also RE: Enchant and Gimli, I also have had some umbridge with them being generally considered obvTown, not that I think they are scummy per se.....but haven't read anything from them that I could understand someone else getting a strong town read on.....if that makes sense.

And even TLs strong town read on me seemed a bit forced, like they are my hood buddy and thinks they can appeal to emotions a bit in hopes I got their back.

[TemporalLich]

I am townreading Doctor Drew because Doctor Drew has a town mindset... 228 is a good example.

Enchant is very slightly towny still.

and yeah I picked meta-neighbor because neighbor is a quite useful role.

I would still want to elim Kokichi because that would make D2's elim easy and also be very likely to hit scum (though if Kokichi flips town, it actually might be enough to clear Kyoko). Yume would be okay but Day 2 would not be easy as Yume doesn't have any associatives or anti-associatives.

[Herta]

I am townreading Doctor Drew because Doctor Drew has a town mindset... 228 is a good example.

Enchant is very slightly towny still.

and yeah I picked meta-neighbor because neighbor is a quite useful role.

I would still want to elim Kokichi because that would make D2's elim easy and also be very likely to hit scum (though if Kokichi flips town, it actually might be enough to clear Kyoko). Yume would be okay but Day 2 would not be easy as Yume doesn't have any associatives or anti-associatives.

I don't disagree re Yume.

I didn't follow your cases on Kokichi/Kyoko all that well.

I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.

[Marashu]

I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.

You're right in that we don't know how big they are, but we. do. know. how. many. factions. there. are.

[TemporalLich]

249 and 316 is the kind of distancing that only strengthens an associative.

[MegAzumarill]

Vote Count 1.5



TemporalLich (4) Aisa, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu, Kokichi Oma, KittyTacky [E-3]

Yume (2) Gimli, Herta
Kokichi Oma (2) TemporalLich, Doctor Drew

Kyoko Kirigiri (1) Enchant,
Gimli (1) Yume
Not_Mafia (1) Not_Mafia

Not Voting (2) Marashu, Kyoko Kirigiri

With 13 votes in play it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline (expired on 2023-02-04 19:24:54)

Note: Doctor Drew replaces narrow parking.

[Herta]

I don't really understand the importance of associatives in this game, at least at this point, when we don't know the number of factions and what they are/how big they are.

You're right in that we don't know how big they are, but we. do. know. how. many. factions. there. are.

Herta gettin schooled again. Oops.

[TemporalLich]

yeah, a game that's potentially multiball is a game where associatives are important as scum need to scumhunt in a potentially multiball game.

[Kokichi Oma]

249 and 316 is the kind of distancing that only strengthens an associative.

Did I not do the same thing with Marashu? Why are you only focused on Kirigiri? I think you just thought we were the same person then realized we weren't and are faking a read.

[Doctor Drew]

249 and 316 is the kind of distancing that only strengthens an associative.

Did I not do the same thing with Marashu? Why are you only focused on Kirigiri? I think you just thought we were the same person then realized we weren't and are faking a read.

I swear I read this earlier, did you or someone else already mention this possibility?

[Kokichi Oma]

Someone mentioned it earlier and I agree

[TemporalLich]

Did I not do the same thing with Marashu? Why are you only focused on Kirigiri? I think you just thought we were the same person then realized we weren't and are faking a read.

Actually no, you didn't. I'm pretty sure you never townread Marashu and I didn't see posts that would be distancing, unless you think 20 or 76 is distancing.

[TemporalLich]

at least as far as I could tell with your ISO...

[Kokichi Oma]

Saying how I suspected and then unsuspected them both. Based on what they said in response to me.

[TemporalLich]

I'm not sure then... I am probably missing context or something.

[Marashu]

I just realized there is only one multitasking role in the deck and that factions don't have multitasking by default. I think there's a lot to gain from coordinating, and I think it's better to use these early. I'ma claim.

Cloud Seeder

Twice per game during the day, choose one. It will be announced by the end of the day:

• Rain
  - Each player who uses a targeted action tonight will be announced tomorrow.
  
• Hail
  - All targeted actions passively fail tonight, and any limited abilities prevented this way will be refunded a shot if used.
  
• Fog
  - All targeted actions will be randomized tonight.
  
• Snow
  - Each player who is targeted by an action tonight will be announced tomorrow.

If we can't coordinate, I'm turning on hail for the next 2 days. Since it would stop all targeted abilities, that means no nightkills until N3. Drawback is, nothing targeted like cops until then either, but I think the good outweighs the bad. My ability activates during the day and since there are no day roleblockers, it will go through. Daylight Cult do get a factional daykill D2, though, so 1 in 13 chance of things going south with that option.

As fun as fog would be (especially if I got this role as scum!), I'm not choosing that option.

Depending on what roles we have, we should work with Rain or Snow. Rain could help us figure out if there's someone using a faction ability when they claim a passive ability. If we decide on targets, because of a lack of multitasking we can organize that and see who wasn't targeted but should have been (or at least get some information about what's going on there). Either way, as I said, my role works best with coordination and is difficult to disrupt (I'm painting a pretty big target on myself if groupscum is worried about this triggering twice). I want a massclaim so we can organize. If it doesn't happen, then I'll just be picking hail.

[Kokichi Oma]

Mass claiming day 1 seems like not the play.

[Kokichi Oma]

But that's such a cool role. I think Snow would be good actually. Rain could out our good town roles so it could help scums out. Fog seems like chaos which is fun but scary. Hail seems really boring and this game already has half the people not talking as much as the other half.

[Kokichi Oma]

Oh but I guess Rain could also announce who did the night kill so that is actually beneficial. I was only thinking for our town roles. Hmmm. I think Rain or Snow personally.

[Marashu]

If we don't massclaim but do want to use an investigative rather than overprotective, I think I prefer rain>snow.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

So it looks like taking the meta-neighbor role did not guarantee TLich would have a partner in it?

Incorrect.

TLich already had hood during discards and knew who is in it.

If TLich pick Meta Neighbour, hood are not closed.
If Meta Neighbour discarded, this hood closes, but continues to exist.

yeah that's what I said
why would he pick it if no one was in it though?

[Marashu]

So it looks like taking the meta-neighbor role did not guarantee TLich would have a partner in it?

Incorrect.

TLich already had hood during discards and knew who is in it.

If TLich pick Meta Neighbour, hood are not closed.
If Meta Neighbour discarded, this hood closes, but continues to exist.

yeah that's what I said
why would he pick it if no one was in it though?

You have access to a meta-neighborhood PT with another random player

if this card is one of the role cards you can pick.

Bolded relevant part of the role - during the role selection stage, the random player will already be in the neighbourhood. They can then discuss whether to keep this role or to close the neighbourhood.

[Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu]

Are we claiming things to determine what Marashu is doing?