HMS Mutiny [Game Over]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm crying tears of joy that someone finally understood me

I understand what you were talking about but it's not a good solve

How did you come to the conclusions you did regarding AD and KJ, Elements?

[Gimli]

How about I possibly shoot Elements and we elim Gamma?

fine with these and also fine with enchant flipping cause it's still mafia

[Flea The Magician]

Someone tell me why Rat is scum again?

I'm sure he is scum because of the following: this is the first gameday since d1 where town is coming together and creating a towncore. that's bella, bbt, AD. of course I'm pushing the game in the direction of those players, because their claims are all strong and we have all reason to be working together with them.

RR notices that and starts shading AD with bullshit mechanical reason. because he is scum, he doesn't want to lose, so he does that. I saw it, I felt it, RR is scum.

Bullshit mechanical reason isnt bullshit.
Its valid.
InactionDan cannot be cleared today and genuinely hasnt done enough through the game to be towncore.
BBT has been in the game and reasonably active, i still dislike Bella and thats a powerful claim but happy to leave them be because of the claim currently.

Like im not seeing scumrat here at all

[Elements]

How did you come to the conclusions you did regarding AD and KJ, Elements?

I scumread them so thought they were mafia.
They didn't visit anyone and claimed vanilla so probably vanilla.
Ergo mafia goon.

[Elements]

I didn't consider AD in the equation

[Flea The Magician]

@Harley

I think it might be better to approach it from another angle. Why WOULDN'T Titus have been targeted? She's a well-known player with a reputation for being strong Town.

Probably most people here would put her on a priority D1 kill list, I know I would. But who wouldn't have killed her? And is that strong enough to remove them from a PoE?


These aren't leading questions, I have no idea about any of the interpersonal dynamics of other people on this site, but for someone who does have an idea on those things, pursuing that angle may prove more fruitful

But I ISO’d her to try to hopefully figure out why but I couldn’t find any evidence that she pr softed, so if anyone did, tell me. Gimli and Eira can sr me for this all they like but

I’m never going to stop saying that we we’re double soft inno’d

and therefore couldn’t have killed Titus and I don’t see how anyone who thinks logically wouldn’t think that if we were a goon, we wouldn’t have been the one to do it, so fucking yes. the fact that we are confirmed vanilla who didn’t visit Titus very strongly points to us being vt, which is what I truthfully claimed. We had an immediate wagon on us d2 after STD flip and I told Joker I was expecting that to happen. And if it weren’t probably literally for Titus checking us, I have no doubt we would have been the d2 miselim, guaranteed.

VOTE: KJ
Vote parking for a bit.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so you knew AD was VT, how?

[Elements]

OK, so you knew AD was VT, how?

I didn't?

[Gimli]

Someone tell me why Rat is scum again?

I'm sure he is scum because of the following: this is the first gameday since d1 where town is coming together and creating a towncore. that's bella, bbt, AD. of course I'm pushing the game in the direction of those players, because their claims are all strong and we have all reason to be working together with them.

RR notices that and starts shading AD with bullshit mechanical reason. because he is scum, he doesn't want to lose, so he does that. I saw it, I felt it, RR is scum.

Bullshit mechanical reason isnt bullshit.
Its valid.
InactionDan cannot be cleared today and genuinely hasnt done enough through the game to be towncore.
BBT has been in the game and reasonably active, i still dislike Bella and thats a powerful claim but happy to leave them be because of the claim currently.

Like im not seeing scumrat here at all

nevermind that now. I'm not seriously considering RR as scum anymore, but there is a 4th in my elly/gamma/enchant solve. I'd rather we focus on the other three today and find a good compromise elim.

[Flea The Magician]

Im 6 pages behind and my mania has plateau'd, give me catch up time.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Eira
Dan is the same as KJ
That was my night 1

???

[Elements]

VOTE: Eira
Dan is the same as KJ
That was my night 1

???

Yea
Night 1 Dan and KJ are the same

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I think KJ is a mafia goon

And someone else is vt but I won't say who

Dan is the same as KJ
That was my night 1

Just for clarity.

[Elements]

I think KJ is a mafia goon

As above

And someone else is vt but I won't say who

I don't think there can be more than 1 mafia goon to balance this game with the delayed night kill.

Dan is the same as KJ
That was my night 1

[Elements]

I said it in such a weird way as to hint at my role but without fully claiming

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Was your role not pretty much outed at that point?

[Elements]

yea probably

[Elements]

but I'm really bad at hinting at things. I tend to just out them accidentally

[Elements]

it's why I never crumb

[Gimli]

I said it in such a weird way as to hint at my role but without fully claiming

you literally claimed vanilla parity cop in those two posts, elements. how else would you go 'goon/vt' on two players? the problem is the perspective slip. you said a thing you'd know if you were mafia, but you couldn't possibly know if you're town: that 'same' meant vanilla.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So what was the point in phrasing it in a weird way when your role was already out there?

[Elements]

I don't tend to think much before I post

[Elements]

So what was the point in phrasing it in a weird way when your role was already out there?

it was out there because of those posts

[Elements]

unless is mech solving

[Flea The Magician]

elements isn't lying about the cop checks, she'd never misplay scum this badly. how can eiralox still think that? it's funny.

it's like elements can be scum and there's nothing in her claim that makes her not scum and her role is a scummy role BUT, the cop checks are valid as far as some basic mafia playing goes.

Yes and once again - because I almost want to put this in all caps because you continue to ignore it - if you believe we’re vanilla, why would you not think we’d be the most logical choice if goon to kill Titus? I just can’t shake the feeling that you maybe really want us to be scum and don’t care about all of the reasons pointing against it.

I really do not want to litigate this for 500 pages, but you are wrong on this point. There could be multiple goons. There could be a scum role that incentivizes performing the kill. Scum could have just straight up misplayed.

I get that being scumread is frustrating for you. But this isn't helping

Given the PRs we have, scum has some serious power and theres unlikely to be much beyond a token goon, if any.

4 known PRs, role/vanilla parity cop, combined tracker/watcher, self deflector, and a vig. 5 if we include the Miller claim.

Thats BEEFY. Id be expecting them to have some equally beefy power and honestly wouldnt be surprised for them to have some equally beefy BS, yes 3 of those 4 have potential against town, but still. I wouldnt be surprised if someone was the cargo keeper and ran around in a barrel as a Ninja or something.