Newbie 2109: Taco Hemingway | Game Over

[Arko]

Anyways:
AV's Weuler vote seemed like a shitty bus or a ridiculously bad uncoordinated mislim. It just made no sense. take it from a Town AV's view: If you think Delta can't be scum, and your sure of Fenrir being scum, why would you vote the person who completely agreed with your scum combination? (Arko/Fenrir) This is pretty obviously a 2 Town v 2 Mafia decided by a town on the sides type of scenario. Plus, If you are town: Delta/Fenrir would of voted to kill weuler, or me and Fenrir would of. Wait a minute... 3 people being cleared? That doesn't work! It is a complete failing of the logic loop a town would have! The only scenario that can lead to this working is Me/Weuler, which I can tell doesn't work because of my own PM.

[Arko]

And true because that would mean weuler is scum, you can't clear Fenrir/Delta anymore... so now we get to the paradox. If Me/Weuler are scum, Fenrir/Delta Can't be cleared. If just Weuler is scum you can't find the partner there. if Fenrir/Delta/Me's combinations are scum, then why the fuck did you vote weuler?

[Arko]

Also also: Self aware time for the last time: Obviously I could be Scum and Weuler can't. Still leads into the paradox the same way weuler does though, as it would be just as hard to find my partner in that scenario as I'm town and weuler isn't.

[Arko]

Oh not can't I meant isn't* I did fast type that. Sorry for possible confusion

[AurorusVox]

I wasn’t completely sold on std scum anymore, I was thinking it could be weuler with either you or arko. I documented all of this throughout the day.

I can 99% clear LLD based on her not being scum with STD, she doesn’t make sense as your partner, and given her push on weuler I don't see her being scum with weuler either.

I can’t clear you or std because you could be weuler’s partner.

If you and weuler are scum, I don’t need to clear the others because they’re town by virtue of you both being scum and there only being 2 scum…

[Weuler]

So my STD/LLD option is dead, anyone up for limming AV or Arko?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Arko your logic is making 0 sense to me lol

[Save The Dragons]

i wouldn't mind a eli5 version im clearly unable to parse your posts arko.

@weuler i *think*TM that's the scum team? but i want to do some more digging

[Arko]

Well think about it: If AV wasn't scum: It would either have to be Me, Weuler, You, and Fenrir in any combination of 2. He says that he doesn't think your scum, so it lowers down to Me, Weuler, Fenrir. He votes weuler. if he is town, he gave 15 minutes of time for either Me/Fenrir, Me/You, or You/Fenrir to speedvote them out. So... We didn't do that despite easily having the time to do it and if mafia, the coordination to line it up. But you can't clear all 3, Right? So if he went with me (The latest person to come during the vote) and Weuler, then wait a second... You can't clear anyone because one of the scum is weuler and the scum can't speedvote it. so then it's still a toss up between all 4 of us? The only way to break that is either AV is just dumb which... (Insert Checking Join date) is unlikely, or he's scum. Or My own arguement is flawed / scum is me and someone else, but point should be gotten now, unless I'm bad at getting things across even more than I thought I was.

[Weuler]

I have not put in my best efforts into analysing possible scum pairs containing AV because I was very sure he was town. Now I am pretty sure AV is scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

STD, do you honestly think the townies are You Me and Weuler?

[Save The Dragons]

i dunno lady

that's why i put it in *s and TM'd it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i dunno lady

that's why i put it in *s and TM'd it

lmfao

i love that you called me lady, like a service worker

"look i dunno lady, i just work here"

[AurorusVox]

@arko What are you on about?

I voted for weuler because I think he’s scum.

The possibility of quick hammer is there but not taken so clears pairs that don’t include weuler (well, it clears LLD/STD, and mostly clears you and STD but you did both post at practically the same time as i unvoted so not as watertight)

(Yes it was a risk but as I believed weuler to be scum then it was a risk worth taking because otherwise we’re just going round the same arguments for the next four days and my head couldn’t take it.)

And of course the possibility of there being scum with weuler is not eliminated - so clearly I’m looking at you or std.

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Also consider, if I’m scum with arko, why did I not just wait for weuler to vote for one of LLD/STD? I don’t make sense with arko.

Equally, weuler townread me to the hilt. What is my scum motivation for going against him?

The scum team is weuler and probably arko or possibly std.

[Arko]

Well I'll just put in input for my personal thoughts: Either AV/Weuler are trying to bus eachother, or more unlikely, one of you 2 are AV's partner (But I severely doubt that)

Anyways, ™ Is the symbol your looking for if you wanted to use it again.

Also I can agree that's a bit funny.

Also AV I can see the fact your trying to brew me as your partner, It's not that hard to notice be real.

[Weuler]

So Arko was also around when AV's vote was cast. This clears all scumteams not involving AV for me. No point in stalling

[AurorusVox]

I literally just said that we don’t make sense as a team

[AurorusVox]

That was @arko btw

[Save The Dragons]

i wish i weren't so fucking easily swayed by whoever talks last

it could be AV/weuler or AV/arko but i'm starting to think it's at least AV here

[Arko]

"I can't be partners with person I also want dead" - AV without the Bullshit tacked on

Also, It's pretty obvious that voting weuler and praying to christ the other 2 townies probably won't work. Also, It's pretty obvious that we could be both scum and I'm bussing you. It's pretty obviously possible. but playing it as: I can't be partners with them when I die because of this reason that only works on paper and the fact he wants be gone, just doesn't work.

[Weuler]

VOTE: AV

[Arko]

If I'm scum and you are, that would be an absolutely horrible move that would get both of us killed, (Why wouldn't I just say this in mafia PT?) If you are town on the 0.1% chance we basically lose immediately, and if it's you and not me, you end up making a chaotic 1v1v1 if the other scum is smart enough to not kill me.

[Arko]

Also: Not defending myself with the mafia PT part I'm saying: I could of easily coordinated you away from the obvious loss that would happen if we were both scum and you play like that.

[Weuler]

I'm heading to bed

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not voting