Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Aristeia]

Datisi town in my heart

[Firebringer]

Ari needs to stop making bad posts

[Lycanfire]

none of the roles are overly complex; however, there may exist exactly one role in the game that does not meet this guideline.

me

I'm trying to bury Klick slipping 4 Mafia out of fairness

Can you explain this quote? Klick's 81 doesn't seem to give this indication

[Klick]

Isn’t being town in cosmos mafia punishment enough

Spoiler:

while playing the game, i actually had a bad dream where I was holding the hammer in 3p Elo and had to pick between tbone and the junkochan slot

LOOOOL that's terrifying

[petapan]

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

VOTE: vp baltar

how is vp still alive, how is the game still open, how did he not instantly receive 9 votes for this post

[Klick]

none of the roles are overly complex; however, there may exist exactly one role in the game that does not meet this guideline.

me

I'm trying to bury Klick slipping 4 Mafia out of fairness

Can you explain this quote? Klick's 81 doesn't seem to give this indication

81 did indeed assume 4 scum in this game
I think 4 scum is the only reasonable number in 17p just like 3 scum is standard in 13p
I can see possible setups that have 5 or 3 but I think 4 is likely enough to assume outright

[Klick]

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

VOTE: vp baltar

how is vp still alive, how is the game still open, how did he not instantly receive 9 votes for this post

I had the exact opposite reaction!

[Klick]

Asri is such an unintuitive place to put pressure if you're scum here
Unless it's like S/S?

[petapan]

i think it's inuitive in that he believes he can make a really bad nonsense case on the gimmick account for not explaining a read

or maybe it's TMI sure idk anything's possible

[Lycanfire]

hi fire from lycan how are you

was this RVS vote or did it have a read attached to it?

No. I hadn't read the thread at that point.

just when i thought i got a decent association read MT throws me a curveball.
i was like yeah Klick scum MT town
Now MT votes with me on Klick.

I go surprirsed pikachu
having whiplash already

MT throwing me through loops

What is your confidence level regarding MT's 198 being anti associative?

I'll catch up when I get home. This game blew up on me.

[petapan]

Asri has already been pretty clear that they don't want to elaborate further; I don't think further pressure to make that happen is very productive

I think they should have some time to do their thing

I mean, it's not a pressure vote. I think it's pretty scummy, trying to fit in behavior. There is no curiosity or sense of trying to figure the game out here. Just absolute certainty in reads.

This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.

This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!

This one can leave this mortal coil!

i don't believe this is at all genuine from baltar, he's focusing on something simplistic to push on that doesn't have any actual connection to whether the person is scum

[petapan]

Spoiler: VP pushing Asri

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive

They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!

The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.

Why do you townread them?

This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!
Klick and Red do seem good for now?


This one has also taken a great liking to Sir of the Cakez, but is greatly unsure about voting on the Morn Tweeter.

This sums it up.

Townreads both Firebringer and furtive to the point of saying "they can do no wrong". So I'm like "hmm, that seems strong for pretty early."

I ask why, and Asri just says they don't have a reason.

It feels like if those two are town, it's a very safe position for scum to take, especially with fireb

This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.

This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!

This one can leave this mortal coil!

Scum would feel exposed pushing town!Asri like this

laffo

[Aristeia]

VOTE: baltar

[petapan]

redff is funny leave him alone

[Asri Teroka]

Baltar and Black were strange. This is not sure if such strangness deserves a vote?

[petapan]

Baltar and Black were strange. This is not sure if such strangness deserves a vote?

who does seem worthy of a vote, asri

[Asri Teroka]

Baltar and Black were strange. This is not sure if such strangness deserves a vote?

who does seem worthy of a vote, asri

I'm not sure.

[Klick]

i think it's inuitive in that he believes he can make a really bad nonsense case on the gimmick account for not explaining a read

I don't get why he would want that though

[Black]

redff is funny leave him alone

No

VOTE: redFF

What's your read on the thread?

[Morning Tweet]

just when i thought i got a decent association read MT throws me a curveball.
i was like yeah Klick scum MT town
Now MT votes with me on Klick.

I go surprirsed pikachu
having whiplash already

MT throwing me through loops

This is the kind of inner turmoil you love to see ppl put through

Wait r u townreading me now or just think im bussing

Your read on Klick being from town is my first actually feeling it read of the game.

That being said I don't share the confidence you have/had. considering I'm voting Klick for reading me immediately correctly mayble too well. Which isn't a crime, but I can see the faint threads of Klick reading my post the way that I had intended it the first time because Klick would have known my intentions already

Mostly though, I think it looks good for you so i really just had to switch my vote anywhere elzse

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

Can you explain what you mean by this?

Yup, there you go above

Spoiler: Klick and Fire

It didn't feel uncharacteristic of Morning Tweet's personality to me
Like I think MT does it to amuse herself more than anything

i would also like to point out to the crowd that MT vote and suspicion on me is serious as stated by herself.
Klick characterization of it doesn't hold up to actual scrutiny. So he either isn't paying attention or just looking for ways to call it town because he knows MT is town.

I don't think klick isn't paying attention. I think klick sees town MT voting me and is like "yeah gonna call MT town here while pretending to be solving" and doesn't actually perform the town analysis he would do.

Also I think town klick would have called me out on page 2-3 to be serious and he didn't. Low level analysis equals scum klick.

Wow i am actually super confident in this.

I best not try hard to omuch this early or i will wear myself out.
Back to shit posting.

1. I didn't call MT town for the double vote thing in the first place; I don't currently have a read on MT
2. I didn't say MT's vote wasn't serious; I think her actual vote on you was serious but the vote-unvote-vote again thing was done for fun
3. MT CONFIRMS my read of her doing the double vote largely to amuse herself (as well as the Firebringer vote ultimately being serious suspicion). I literally have the correct read of MT's behaviour. 'Low level analysis' get rekt scrub.

Yes, I don't really think Klick's analysis was surface level. I actually kind of see it the opposite way, it's really good in that they seemed to understand my intent rlly well. that it was jokey and serious at the same time

I spent a lot of time trying to derive a conclusion from this. I think Klick is perfectly capable of making that read as town although I think its one that scum!Klick makes almost every time, is the best way I'd describe it. i wouldnt call it suspicious so much as.. an interesting data point that needs to be examined alongside a broader set of data

[petapan]

redff is funny leave him alone

No

VOTE: redFF

What's your read on the thread?

i don't know what that means

[Black]

i don't know what that means

Red said he would read the thread, so I'm asking for his thoughts

[Black]

Sorry, I should have clarified who I was asking the question to

[Firebringer]

i think it's inuitive in that he believes he can make a really bad nonsense case on the gimmick account for not explaining a read

I don't get why he would want that though

This reminds me of a game i played long ago.

Pull up your chairs whippersnappers cause old man fire is going to tell you a tale of old mafia:

You see long ago i was in a game, and I was of the scum alignment. I saw a player doing a gimmick, I thought "wow this person is making no sense. This could be an easy push I can get away with because I would do it as town too". So I did so, more than half the game called me out on it for going for easy lim bait. Without ever explaining it very properly how the gimmick player was townposting beneath the gimmick.

Eventually the gimmick player dropped the gimmick at my pushing, and eventually the game turned on me the walls came crumbling down as they might say.

I lost that game. So I learned a lesson.
Town don't know what the fuck they talking about.

That player clearly made no sense and should have been pushed and I wasn't scummy for saying so. I was scum for other ~Reasons~

And that is my tale.

[Morning Tweet]

I think ur treating MT like town. You saying she is null makes ur behavior more ???
I think ur treating me like town which is also weird since i think ur vote is still on me.

Like I think first thing u would do and maybe im not a Klick mind reader so you tell me how the fuck i am not right on this. Is you would question if my push isn't just scum pushing u. Instead u chose to argue with me on how my analysis is wrong. Like you didn't question my alignment once in that post.

That's basically the kicker yeah yeah. Klick is kinda hitting a natural 20 in insight in order to conclude that I'm null. So they're defending me but (hypothetically) they shouldn't have too much of a reason to care.

Although counterpoint, I make a lot of defenses that are "I don't think that is scummy but I don't have a reason to townread them either", especially really early, so it's not super ununusual..

I think ur treating MT like town. You saying she is null makes ur behavior more ???
I think ur treating me like town which is also weird since i think ur vote is still on me.

Like I think first thing u would do and maybe im not a Klick mind reader so you tell me how the fuck i am not right on this. Is you would question if my push isn't just scum pushing u. Instead u chose to argue with me on how my analysis is wrong. Like you didn't question my alignment once in that post.

Its weird for u to go:
"No FB I am 100% right about how MT is posting and thinking and how you should analyze these posts" and at same breath go "But MT is null"....like i guess ur just saying u have her personality square pegged....great. What u r trying to go from none of this is alignment telling to this is alignment posting from MT. Or are you just not yet in serious mode.

Why am I the serious one here.

My baseline is to interact with people as though they are town because that's what everyone either is or is pretending to be. I often get the push against me of 'you're interacting with X as though you know they're town' as either alignment. Most of the time it's not helpful to interact with someone directly as though they might be scum because no one has that open to themselves as a possibility as either alignment.

I'm arguing with your analysis to a) defend my own viewpoint and b) flesh yours out. Arguing with analysis is something I often do in the moment. More often than not I solve for alignment in rereading things from a distance, unless I get some sort of really strong vibe read. I don't have confidence in my ability to say the right things to sort for alignment properly mid-conversation.

I don't really hate this explanation and it didn't come off as overly defensive to me like VP mentioned.

I kind of see Klick as being more likely than rand scum but not by much plus I'm more than half of the game back now apparently so