Legends of the Buisness Company [Staplers Take Over the World]

[Dunnstral]

Do you have any thoughts related to the scumflips? We basically did that part of the game without you present.

Yes that influenced my reads on Psyche and Gamma becoming town and leaves me with my pool of 4 to work with. I don't have deep thoughts about the remaining 4. I've skimmed a few of sheep's posts in the past but didn't feel either kind of way about them. Save the Dragons is pure PoE. SirCakez was being pushed by Pooky who died instead of one of the people who were pushing both Shirou and Norwee so that is kind of suspect (though Pooky was pushing Norwee as well I think)

Sheep, StD, and Cakez who's the 4th in your PoE?

Enchant

[Thestatusquo]

I think sheep is a very easy and convenient slot for scum to attack and try to put in the poe because he's not active and hasnt done a whole lot but the whole interplay between sheep and those wagons just feels incredibly uninformed to me.

[sheepsaysmeep]

nah it's informed cuz im so scarily dead-on

[sheepsaysmeep]

VOTE: dunn

will do something meaningful again at some point . one day

[Dunnstral]

0 - Fire: Mod Post
1 - Alisae: Mentions Fire recommended they join this team
2 - Shirou: A whole paragraph about how they should hyperpost with a gif image
3 - Shirou: Says Alisae smells
4 - Shirou: Says they are over the top and posts an anime youtube link
5 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
6 - Alisae: Says they smell great
7 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
8 - Alisae: Continued hyping of themself up
9 - Alisea: Says the pt will be enjoyable
10 - Alisae: Response to banter in post 2
11 - Shirou: More banter and jojo youtube link
12 - Alisae: Jokingly calls self dumb
13 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]
14 - Alisae: Mentions they are only voting for Gamma emerald for pressure reasons; This is posted at the same time as 319
15 - Alisae: Talks again about seeing what happens
16 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
17 - Alisae: [Personal Convo]
18 - Shirou: [Personal Convo]
19 - Shirou: Says that the current challenge is unlikely to come from a mafia aligned Gamma Emerald. Mentions they have never seen Gamma as mafia.
20 - Alisae: Says the game is still in rvs
21 - Alisae: No clue who mafia is but knows a few townies (no names)
22 - Alisae: Questions if Pooky is mafia
23 - Alisae: Again accuses Pooky; this occurs shortly after Pooky posts the string of posts after 329
24 - Alisae: Questions who the mafia could be
25 - Alisae: Asks Shirou the above
26 - Alisae: Talking to a wall gif
27 - Shirou: Says they were posting a wall in the main thread and that they thought this game was meant to be more laid-back
28 - Shirou: Agrees that Pooky could be mafia, but has reservations. Says that Freedom's thoughts on Furtive is interesting.
29 - Shirou: Says that SirCakez can go either way and needs to read games where Gamma Emerald was against SirCakez (?). Also says that Save the Dragons is pretending to help with solving but doesn't know what to make of that.
30 - Alisae: Asks for thoughts on T-Bone
31 - Shirou: Says that their read on T-Bone depends on SirCakez and Pooky's alignment after they flip due to not wanting to vote SirCakez or Pooky
32 - Shirou: Mentions that T-Bone being mafia could be too on the nose
33 - Alisae: Expresses interest in the PT
34 - Alisae: Says the game is exciting
35 - Alisae: Praises the mod
36 - Alisae: Says they are fine being laid-back this game day
37 - Shirou: Quotes all of the above accusingly
38 - Shirou: Asks Alisae what they would do if they were mafia this game
39 - Alisae: Responds that they don't know
40 - Alisae: Says they don't like to be mafia, but they are capable of playing as mafia
41 - Shirou: Thinks the game (of mafia) in general is stressful, but it is more stressful as town. Mentions that if Pooky is mafia they (Shirou) messed up by being too passive to deal with it
42 - Shirou: Wonders aloud if it is their fault if Pooky runs away with the game
43 - Shirou: Existential crisis over mafia, including the ethics of town pushing eliminations others don't want
44 - Alisae: Talks about how each alignment can be fun
45 - Alisae: Mentions that Pooky could be town in response to 42
46 - Alisae: Encourages Shirou to push Pooky if they believe in it
47 - Alisea: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
48 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics
49 - Shirou: Says they are not very confident in Pooky being mafia. Asks about Alisae's strategy in a different game
50 - Alisae: More talk about town pushing eliminations ethics. This is basically a pep talk
51 - Alisae: Says they have to care more as mafia
52 - Alisae: They don't know what is happening as town
53 - Alisae: 'You only live once' but for mafia games
54 - Shirou: Says they are heading to bed but will respond tomorrow
55 - Alisae: Cute
56 - Shirou: Smelly
57 - Shirou: Says they shouldn't be so dramatic about being miseliminated. Thinks that if Pooky is mafia it is their fault.
58 - Shirou: Wants the game to be fun again
59 - Alisae: Says it is a new day
60 - Alisae: Asks what Shirou thinks about Save the Dragons
61 - Alisae: Agrees with Sircakez. This is around 891 and the several posts made by Sircakez onwards
62 - Alisae: Says that until now they suspected Shirou, but they are coming around on Norwee and that is making them townread Shirou as well. Mentions that if any of their townreads are wrong it is Save the Dragons.
63 - Shirou: Says that 59 is wise
64 - Shirou: Response to 60 saying that Save the Dragons is more likely town than not but they need to reread to be sure. Also says that they only agree with half of wh at Sircakez is posting.
65 - Shirou: Questions 62 and wonders if Alisae was trying to sort Shirou by encouraging Shirou to vote for Pooky
66 - Shirou: Questions if 55, 33, and 35 are fake posts
67 - Shirou: Says that they feel like Alisae has been siding with Shirou and that that is suspicious, but that they are not convinced that Alisae is mafia
68 - Shirou: Asks Alisae why they switched their read on Shirou when Alisae should be suspecting Pooky and Gamma due to Alisae not agreeing with what they were saying
69 - Shirou: Hug gif
70 - Shirou: Joke about the above
71 - Alisae: Responds to 66 saying that they were excited to be part of a team with mafia at the time
72 - Alisae: Says that Pooky could be town and acknowledges that Shirou is good at mafia but is not sure what to expect.
73 - Alisae: Says that Alisae has trouble as mafia but is natural as town, and they agree with 67 and say they were siding with Shirou on purpose to give off an impression
74 - Alisae: Typo
75 - Alisae: Joke response to 70
76 - Shirou: Expresses fatigue
77 - Shirou: 1 word joke response to 70
78 - Alisae: Expresses fatigue
79 - Shirou: Responds to 73 saying that they did not think that
80 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is likely to be town but that this isn't pocketing
81 - Shirou: Hug gif
82 - Alisae: Says they are easy to read
83 - Alisae: Asks Shirou to remain readable
84 - Alisae: Expresses joy in response to 81
85 - Alisae: Continuation of the above
86 - Fire: Mod gives us 500 currency each
87 - Shirou: Says they don't buy Team Hyperpost Meta winning the challenge based on where Alisae claimed to have placed the team in the main thread. Says they aren't posting this in the main thread because it will look bad. Mentions that several people suspect Team Hyperpost Meta
88 - Shirou: Expresses surprise
89 - Shirou: Says that people will not believe that they are surprised
90 - Alisae: Responds to 87 with confusion
91 - Alisae: Mentions they can swap the teams when Shirou is ready
92 - Alisae: Clarifies that it is Shirou who will be swapping the team
93 - Alisae: Says this pt is not useful for getting reads but is useful for having fun
94 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is probably mafia due to the way they responded to Shirou but they can still have fun in the team pt
95 - Alisae: Says it is ok and that mafia is challenging
96 - Alisae: Mafia existential crisis
97 - Alisae: Says they have no idea what Save the Dragons is doing. Says that Gamma Emerald is town
98 - Alisae: Mentions that they won't post this in the main thread: Wants to townread Save the Dragons but their scumread of Gamma Emerald does not make any sense
99 - Shirou: Responds to 97 saying that Gamma and Enchant are being townread, and they take issue with Alisae's read on Titus, and that Alisae is too confident with their reads after Furtive flipped town when they should be rethinking things
100 - Alisae: Says that Haschel has been playing as if they don't have anybody on their side, and that they think they are a villager, except that their wall post does not have a lot of substance to it. Mentions a need to see more flips
101 - Alisae: Asks Shirou for an opinion on TSQ
102 - Alisae: Quotes post 2355 by Titus from the main thread, and says that it does not look good if Save the Dragons is town
103 - Alisae: Says that they think Titus is mafia
104 - Alisae: Says they have no reason to reveal the above in the main thread, and that Shirou can react to it however they like. They also say that Titus' reaction to Save the Dragons is overdone
105 - Alisae: Wants to watch Titus without tipping her off in the main thread
106 - Alisae: Says they would be surprised if Norwee voted for Alisae if Norwee was aligned with the town. Posts a reads list with Titus and Penguin at the bottom. Enchant, Gamma, Norwee, and Shirou are at the top. TSQ, T-bone, Haschel, and Pooky are in the middle, but Pooky is mentioned as leaning town.
107 - Alisae: Quotes 1348 by Titus from the main thread with no commentary
108 - Alisae: Says that T-bone could be mafia as well
109 - Alisae: Quotes 1867 by T-bone from the main thread with no commentary
110 - Alisae: Wants to wait for T-bones next read list
111 - Alisae: Says that TSQ could be the 4th mafia, along with Titus, Penguin, and T-bone
112 - Alisae: Reiterates the above
113 - Alisae: Talks about how that would make 3 mafia voting for Furtive
114 - Alisae: Wonders if TSQ is someone who wants to have good reads
115 - Alisae: Says they don't think that Haschel is mafia, and that they would be really forgetful if they were mafia due to forgetting their reads
116 - Alisae: Says they don't think Pooky is mafia
117 - Alisae: Says they are going to keep all of the above to themself, and that they trust Shirou to not leak the info to the main thread, but that they can do so if they wish
118 - Alisae: Once again questions how they were the most popular team
119 - Alisae: Points out that T-bone has failed to post their popularity list
120 - Alisae: Becomes determined to find the lists and do the math themself
121 - Alisae: Quotes post 2274 by Shirou from the main thread with no commentary
122 - Alisae: Quotes post 1601 by Pooky from the main thread with no commentary
123 - Alisae: Quotes post 1141 by Furtive from the main thread with no commentary
124 - Alisae: Quotes post 2041 by Norwee from the main thread with no commentary
125 - Alisae: Mentions that Sircakez did not post their list
126 - Alisae: Quotes post 1613 by Haschel from the main thread with no commentary
127 - Alisae: Quotes post 1626 by TSQ from the main thread with no commentary
128 - Alisae: Quotes post 1253 by Gamma from the main thread with no commentary
129 - Alisae: Mentions that Enchant did not post their list
130 - Alisae: Quotes 2016 by Titus from the main thread with no commentary
131 - Alisae: Quotes 1734 by Save the Dragons from the main thread with no commentary
132 - Alisae: Does the math. Hyperpost Meta ends up 3rd from the top, 4 points over Holmes under the Hammer. Alisae says they can see Hyperpost Meta winning more clearly now
133 - Alisae: Expresses disbelief that Enchant did not participate in the challenge
134 - Alisae: Does the math again but with T-Bone having the same list as Gamma Emerald
135 - Alisae: Reconfirms that Enchant did not submit a list
136 - Alisae: Says that somebody is lying about their list. Says that they don't trust SirCakez
137 - Alisae: Is trying to understand SirCakez list and is saying that it feels fabricated due to spots 5, 6 and 7
138 - Alisae: Calls Norwee town, and says that if Shirou can convince Norwee to vote for Alisae, then Shirou should be careful of Norwee
139 - Shirou: Thinks that SirCakez and T-bones votes did not count
140 - Shirou: Says that they cannot post much
141 - Shirou: Calls Alisae mafia for putting in effort after being pushed by Shirou, but also says that Alisae is trying to figure out the mafia team. Mentions that the math does not add up
142 - Shirou: Says that the easiest answer is that one of Shirou or Alisae is mafia
143 - Shirou: Says that they won't ignore Alisae and if they assume Alisae is town then they wonder what the motivation of people lying about the math if they are both town is. Mentions they have ideas but wants to see what Alisae thinks first
144 - Fire: Asks for actions for an event
145 - Alisae: Says that they don't care about Shirou's read on Alisae, and that they trust Shirou
146 - Alisae: Says that mafia submitted something other than what they claimed which caused their team to win, but does not know the motivation
147 - Alisae: Says that Shirou should continue to try to get Alisae eliminated
148 - Alisae: Asks for Shirou to treat them like town in the team pt
149 - Alisae: Submits the guard action for the event
150 - Alisae: Does more math after quoting SirCakez list again, this time Hyperpost meta is 2nd and only 1 point above first
151 - Alisae: Says that they don't believe T-Bone is telling the truth about their list
152 - Alisae: More math. Hyperpost is in 2nd, 3 points above 1st place
153 - Alisae: Says that T-bone submitted something that caused Hyperpost Meta to be very high on the list
154 - Alisae: Takes back the above post
155 - Alisae: Says that Hyperpost Meta and Holmes should have a larger difference. Mentions that mafia probably gave Holmes a lot of points.
156 - Alisae: More math
157 - Alisae: Expresses dismay at posting before giving Psyche a chance to submit a list
158 - Shirou: Says that SirCakez and T-bone cannot be lying because their votes did not count
159 - Alisae: Understands the above
160 - Alisae: Confirmation of the above
161 - Shirou: Says that the above sounds fake but is funny
162 - Shirou: Says that the team pt is great if Alisae is mafia
163 - Alisae: Says that they didn't notice
164 - Alisae: Agrees with 162
165 - Shirou: Talks about food
166 - Alisae: Points out that they would remember if they were mafia and revoked the ballot
167 - Alisae: Response to 165
168 - Shirou: Says the game is not ok jokingly
169 - Alisae: banter
170 - Alisae: Says they don't like their previous mafia team guess because T-Bone would have to revoke their own ballot, and that TSQ makes more sense
171 - Shirou: Asks why players are not voting for Alisae, and why only Alisae is paying attention to the ballots
172 - Alisae: Says that Gamma is paying attention
173 - Alisae: Says that Shirou will get more votes
174 - Alisae: Talks about what players might do with their votes
175 - Shirou: Asks why Alisae does not want to convince them to change their vote
176 - Alisae: Says they are leaving it up to Shirou
177 - Shirou: Asks how they are so townread by Alisae after being suspected early
178 - Alisae: Is letting Shirou decide what to do by killing Alisae or swapping
179 - Alisae: Thinks that the way Shirou is reading Alisae is town indicative
180 - Shirou: Says they could get away with killing Alisae if they were mafia
181 - Alisae: Says that they think Shirou's case in the main thread seems towny
182 - Alisae: Disagrees with 180
183 - Alisae: Says they don't believe Shirou would survive to the end of the game if they were mafia forcing a 1v1 with Alisae
184 - Shirou: Self meta
185 - Alisae: Says it would be their mistake if Shirou were mafia
186 - Alisae: Thinks that Shirou is going to kill them by pushing them in the main thread, and then get eliminated later, which makes Shirou town
187 - Alisae: Says it doesn't matter if Alisae dies due to Shirou pushing them and Shirou is mafia
188 - Alisae: Says that Shirou would be eliminated
189 - Shirou: Says that Alisae underestimates them as Mafia
190 - Alisae: Says that Shirou is underestimating the rest of the town
191 - Shirou: Says that players suspect Alisae and that if Alisae flipped town players would rethink things
192 - Shirou: Says that 190 is thought provoking
193 - Shirou: Says that Alisae's point makes no sense but is interesting
194 - Alisae: Asks Shirou if they like to use meta
195 - Alisae: Says that Shirou has a problem with Alisae's style of play and that they should look at their meta
196 - Shirou: Asks Alisae if they have lied in the last few pages of the team pt
197 - Shirou: Reaffirms the above
198 - Alisae: Asks how many pages
199 - Alisae: And which pt
200 - Alisae: Clarifies the above to mean which thread
201 - Shirou: Defines the range of posts as 124 to 199
202 - Shirou: Questions 199
203 - Alisae: Says that after post 2354 in the main thread they haven't lied about anything (to Shirou)
204 - Shirou: Says that feels like a wrong answer but Alisae could be town and that Alisaes posts look like game solving
205 - Shirou: Seemingly doubles back and says that their read of Alisae hasn't changed from this conversation, but that they are fatigued due to calling Alisae mafia, and that they can pretend that Alisae is town
206 - Shirou: Says they are trying as hard as they can
207 - Alisae: Says they don't want Shirou to die, and that Alisae's town flip would be surprising for Shirou
208 - Shirou: Wants to be right in reading Alisae as mafia
209 - Shirou: [a media reference I don't understand]
210 - Alisae: Says that if Shirou was mafia they would want to push Alisae's elimination anyway
211 - Alisae: Links to a different game of mafia where Alisae was miseliminated
212 - Shirou: Disagrees with 210 and says they would try to get Alisae on their side
213 - Shirou: Says that it would depend on who else was mafia
214 - Alisae: Says that if Shirou is mafia then Alisae is fooled
215 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
216 - Alisae: Talks about needing flips for Shirou to decide what to do
217 - Alisae: Says that Shirou reading Alisae as mafia is helpful because all of the mafia would have to vote for Alisae for an elimination
218 - Shirou: Says they like the team pt
219 - Alisae: Banter
220 - Shirou: Says that posting in the main thread would not help
221 - Alisae: Says that if they were mafia they would try to get Shirou on their side
222 - Alisae: Reaffirms the above
223 - Alisae: Tells Shirou to try to convince Norwee that Alisae is mafia, with the conditional that if Norwee does think Alisae is mafia, then Norwee is mafia. And to listen to Norwee if Norwee thinks Alisae is town.
224 - Alisae: Says that if Shirou is mafia they don't have to do that
225 - Shirou: Says that the above is manipulative, but not as mafia
226 - Alisae: Is saying that Shirou has choices
227 - Alisae: Another reads list. Titus and Penguin are at the bottom, Haschel and Pooky are above that, and everybody else is in the top tier (including TSQ and T-bone)
228 - Alisae: Says they will hold back from posting in the main thread
229 - Alisae: Calls the game dumb
230 - Alisae: Complains about TSQ scumreading Alisae, Shirou, and Norwee
231 - Alisae: Says it is obvious that Alisae is town
232 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
233 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
234 - Shirou: Says that they are reconsidering their read on Alisae
235 - Shirou: Says they are having fun in the team pt
236 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
237 - Shirou: Says they might be wrong about Alisae's alignment and to post more in the team pt
238 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
239 - Alisae: Starts talking about 230 again and says TSQ has bad reads
240 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
241 - Alisae: Banter
242 - Alisae: Talks about enjoying the team pt
243 - Alisae: Is not sure what they want to do
244 - Alisae: Talks about Shirou swapping the teams, says to wait until other people say who they want to vote for
245 - Alisae: Says that all of the Mafia will vote for Alisae to eliminate them
246 - Alisae: Says they don't know what to do in the game and will focus on something else for a while
247 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
248 - Alisae: [Personal convo]
249 - Alisae: Talking about the new site
250 - Alisae: Announces return to the thread
251 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons might be correct about Gamma Emerald
252 - Alisae: Wants to form a town core and count only town ballots to try to deduce new meaning
253 - Alisae: Posts a reads list. Psyche and Titus are at the bottom. Everyone else is town or in need of review (TSQ and Gamma)
254 - Alisae: Quotes post 2540 by Gamma from the main thread and questions why Gamma would think Shirou would have unshakeable ideas
255 - Alisae: Calls Gamma a hypocrite for post 2512 in the main thread
256 - Shirou: [Personal convo]
257 - Shirou: Responds to 253 by saying they agree and want to examine Titus, Psyche, Haschel, and TSQ more closely to try to find mafia. Says that even if TSQ is mafia challenging them may not result in an elimination so they should go for Titus or Psyche
258 - Shirou: Says they disagree on Haschel, with Alisae's reason for the townread being post 100 in this thread and Shirou not agreeing but saying that TSQ looks worse than Haschel
259 - Alisae: Says that they would skim the 1v1 if they were TSQ
260 - Alisae: Happy scumday
261 - Alisae: Agrees with not challenging TSQ, asks about challenging Gamma
262 - Alisae: Asks to figure out a town core again
263 - Alisae: Clarifies that they are not asking for Shirou to challenge Gamma, and thinks that Shirou should challenge Psyche and Titus
264 - Shirou: Says that a town core would be Enchant, Norwee, Alisae, and SirCakez, with the last 2 being weaker reads. They are not sure about Save the Dragons and they would include Gamma except for Alisae's read there.
265 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons is fine
266 - Alisae: Says that it makes sense for Gamma to do the math with the ballots
267 - Alisae: Quotes all the ballot votes again; from posts within 121-131 in the team pt
268 - Alisae: Wants to add up town player ballots and do the math again
269 - Alisae: Finds something interesting when adding Alisae and Shirou's ballots together
270 - Alisae: Says that Team Hyperpost is close to the top with just their own ballots
271 - Alisae: Adds Furtive's ballot to the math
272 - Alisae: Expresses understanding
273 - Alisae: Says that mafia did not try to go for the bottom spot, and tried to push Holmes lower than they should be
274 - Alisae: Adds Norwee and Save the Dragons ballots to the math
275 - Alisae: Wonders who to add next
276 - Alisae: Considers adding Haschel next
277 - Alisae: Does the math and says that Titus is not likely to be lying about their list
278 - Alisae: Mentions they want to avoid adding mafia to the math
279 - Alisae: Adds Pooky to the math; Hyperpost Meta is in 3rd and are 7 points above Holmes
280 - Alisae: The only people left are TSQ, Titus, and Gamma
281 - Alisae: Reaffirms that Penguin and Enchant did not submit ballots
282 - Alisae: (I don't understand what Alisae is saying here)
283 - Alisae: Is going to add Titus to the math
284 - Alisae: Hyperpost Meta is in 3rd, 7 points above Single Braincell
285 - Alisae: TSQ is added to the math, Hyperpost Meta is in 4th, 6 points above Holmes
286 - Shirou: Says that the above is interesting, but says that it is hard to determine who is lying when the math is added one at a time as it might frame the wrong person
287 - Alisae: Gamma is added to the math, Hyperpost Meta is in 3rd, 8 points above Single Braincell
288 - Shirou: Says that if every mafia is speaking untruths, it is hard to determine who is lying by adding one person at a time
289 - Alisae: Agrees with the above
290 - Alisae: Points out that 287 is everyone and that the math does not add up
291 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is town and gives 3 theories for the math not adding up, being that scum wanted the teams to be swapped and were agreeing with Shirou, thus implicating Pooky, Gamma, Sircakez, or T-bone. Or that mafia wants Alisae and Shirou to look bad. Or that it was a coincidence that team hyperpost won but the mafia team is still lying about where they put players
292 - Shirou: Puts forward a 4th theory being that Enchant or Psyche lied about not voting
293 - Shirou: Says that multiple theories may be true
294 - Alisae: Agrees that Psyche could have lied
295 - Alisae: Posts new math, this Hyperpost meta is 4 above Holmes
296 - Alisae: Agrees with the theories: Coincidence and Alisae/Shirou look bad
297 - Alisae: Suspects TSQ more strongly but does not think they are mafia with Pooky
298 - Alisae: Quotes post 2964 by Psyche in the main thread and says that this is how Alisae plays normally
299 - Alisae: Submits the guard action
300 - Alisae: Banter
301 - Alisae: Banter
302 - Fire: Acknowledging 299
303 - Shirou: Submits the guard action
304 - Shirou: Thinks it is suspicious that TSQ has 3 eliminations lined up. Also responds to 298 and says Titus and Psyche are interesting
305 - Shirou: Banter
306 - Shirou: Talking about computer
307 - Shirou: Posts a reads list with Enchant, Alisae, and Norwee as town. Sircakez and Gamma as leaning town. Pooky, T-bone, and Save the dragons as null. And TSQ, Titus, Haschel, and Psyche as mafia. Mentions that Pooky may belong in the tier above
308 - Alisae: Asks Shirou about T-bone saying that they are within Shirou's clutches
309 - Alisae: Response to 303 saying they should pay more attention to the minigame
310 - Shirou: Responds to 308 saying it is sort of correct
311 - Shirou: Fixed formatting
312 - Shirou: Wonders how the team pt post amount will compare to the mafia pt
313 - Alisae: Agrees that mafia pts are interesting
314 - Shirou: Agrees with the above
315 - Shirou: Calls Pooky town
316 - Alisae: Submits the guard action
317 - Alisae: Changes their action to stealing from team Johnsons (TSQ and Haschel)
318 - Shirou: Submits the guard action and says they would rather guard
319 - Alisae: Submits the guard action
320 - Fire: Confirms the guard action
321 - Fire: Hands out 250 currency
322 - Alisae: Banter
323 - Alisae: Wants to think about Haschel again, quotes their 1542 from the main thread
324 - Alisae: Produces a reads list. Enchant, Alisae, Shirou, Norwee are at the top. T-bone is a tier below. SirCakez is undecided. Gamma can go either way. Haschel needs to be looked at again. Alisae disagrees with SirCakez that 1542 is a good post
325 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons, Pooky, Sircakez, and TSQ can go either way, and that they might townread Titus and Psyche later depending on what they post
326 - Alisae: Moves T-Bone to the top tier, puts TSQ, Gamma, Pooky, SirCakez, and Save the Dragons below that. Titus and Psyche are below that. And Haschel is at the bottom by themself.
327 - Shirou: Says they are also starting to reconsider SirCakez, and that they could have been wrong about Sircakez being town
328 - Shirou: Mentions that SirCakez dropped the townread on Shirou when Shirou was being suspected
329 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez likes to bus, and that they could be doing that this game
330 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez was one of the first players to call Save the Dragons a wolf
331 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez and Save the Dragons both put Haschel as town, and that is suspicious
332 - Shirou: Thinks that the above theory is interesting and says they will check it out later
333 - Shirou: Talking about the new site
334 - Alisae: Says that Save the Dragons as mafia would agree that TSQ is mafia if they wanted to get on Alisae and Shirou's good side. Says that Save the Dragons and TSQ townreading Haschel could be a ploy
335 - Alisae: Quotes SirCakez saying Psyche is town and says Psyche should be eliminated
336 - Alisae: Quotes the same post and calls it uncouth
337 - Alisae: Reprimends SirCakez for saying that Titus does not have an investment in the game
338 - Alisae: Says that Psyche doesn't want to get locked into an argument if they are mafia
339 - Alisae: Says that Psyche would do their own thing and try to get other people to rethink
340 - Alisae: Quotes a post by SirCakez agreeing with Psyche's 2799 and questions why SirCakez agrees with the post
341 - Alisae: Quotes a post by SirCakez agreeing with Psyche's 2799 and questions why SirCakez agrees with the post and reprimends SirCakez for saying that Titus does not have an investment in the game
342 - Alisae: Quotes post 2929 by SirCakez in the main thread and says that Gamma is not mafia
343 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez is only responding to things with their name on it
344 - Alisae: Calls SirCakez defensive
345 - Alisae: Says that SirCakez and Titus are mafia together due to SirCakez read on Titus
346 - Shirou: Responds to 334 saying that a Mafia Save the Dragons actions' would depend on TSQ's alignment, and that if Save the Dragons is not the same alignment, or if they are, then Save the Dragons is content to sit on the Titus wagon as either a bus or a miselimination, and that Save the Dragons response to Gamma is in response to Gamma speaking to them, rather than taking their own initiative
347 - Shirou: Responds to 339 saying that Psyche did do that
348 - Shirou: Asks Alisae what they think about TSQ wanting Shirou to spend currency on TSQ
349 - Shirou: Says they are no longer reading Norwee as town
350 - Shirou: Reaffirms that they are not town reading Norwee
351 - Alisae: Calls Titus obvious town
352 - Alisae: Responds to 349 calling Norwee rigid
353 - Shirou: Says that Alisae is bussing
354 - Shirou: Is thankful for Alisae helping Shirou not die
355 - Shirou: Retracts 353
356 - Alisae: Laughs
357 - Shirou: Is wavering on Psyche being mafia but will pretend to be confident if Alisae wants
358 - Alisae: Thinking about saving up money to send out a lot of messages
359 - Alisae: And disguising the messages as unwanted e-mails
360 - Shirou: Wants to save money for team swaps later
361 - Shirou: Thinks that would be funny if the town was in a good position
362 - Alisae: Responds to 347 saying that Psyche went after Alisae but was not satisfactory, and that Alisae is playing for money
363 - Alisae: Mentions they missed TSQ asking Shirou to spend money on TSQ
364 - Alisae: Talks about wanting to see what Norwee does and keeping an eye on them
365 - Alisae: Responds to Shirou asking Psyche if Titus flipping town impacted Psyche's reads by saying they don't see how there could be an answer besides negative
366 - Alisae: Wonders if Shirou would inform Alisae that the end of the game is close if Shirou were mafia
367 - Shirou: Responds that they don't know
368 - Shirou: Talks about the setup size and Alisae not knowing how many miseliminations the town has
369 - Alisae: Says they hadn't thought about the setup and that it is weird with day kills
370 - Shirou: Needs to reread pages to think about why they no longer suspect Alisae
371 - Alisae: Reaffirms 369
372 - Alisae: Hammered Titus because they couldn't change anyones mind anyway, and it brings their currency up to 450
373 - Shirou: Agrees with hammering Titus
374 - Shirou: Thinks that it would be easier to push Psyche if Shirou hammered Titus instead of Alisae
375 - Fire: Alisae replaces out
376 - Shirou: Sad
377 - Dunn: Hello
378 - Dunn: Who was it who caused the vote to be locked between us and Psuche
379 - Dunn: I see it was Enchant and then it was swapped to Psyche's team; I don't have enough gold to swap us again
380 - Shirou: Confirms it was Enchant, says that only Enchant and Norwee have enough money to swap
381 - Fire: Hands out 250 currency

[Dunnstral]

I think sheep is a very easy and convenient slot for scum to attack and try to put in the poe because he's not active and hasnt done a whole lot but the whole interplay between sheep and those wagons just feels incredibly uninformed to me.

As a matter of fact the flipped mafia have placed a surprisingly low amount of pressure on Haschel/Sheep slot, so this isn't true.

In my team pt Shirou surprisingly does not bite at Haschel suspicions coming from Alisae at all, and even redirects a steal action against you/sheep into a more defensive guard action

Norwee has them in their poe, but they don't place much pressure there, and I don't think they have all the mafia in their townreads just looking at it. They talk about them in posts 3882, 3898, and 4437, which is the post with reads. The suspicion in 3898 comes at a time when sheep is not a valid vote and plenty of players are suspecting Norwee, I think.

With that said, Haschel's posts towards Shirou and Norwee don't strike me as aligned.

[Thestatusquo]

230 - Alisae: Complains about TSQ scumreading Alisae, Shirou, and Norwee

239 - Alisae: Starts talking about 230 again and says TSQ has bad reads

:thinking emoji:

[Thestatusquo]

I'm talking about sheeps positions re: the wagons not necessarily direct associatives. There's not a ton of associatives for anyone with sheep or haschel simply because they weren't around very much, and I'm just going off of memory here but I'm pretty sure every action sheep took towards those wagons was the one that made it more likely for scum to be eliminated. I will go back and double check my memory on that at some point but I recall him being strongly pro limming norwee and strongly pro limming shirou and not that interested in limming psyche pretty much the whole way when it would have been very convenient and probably extremely easy to get away with voting on psyche.

His actions towards my slot felt pretty unaligned with shirou too because from my perspective shirou was pretty set on me as a miselim this game and sheep seemed not even remotely interested in that at any point.

There is one thing that pinged me from haschel in our PT at the very start of the game that felt vaguely pocket-y where he essentially said "I think you might be on to something with norwee and I agree with putting pressure there" which was kind of weird just because of the way he phrased it and how little he talked about basically anything else in the game.

These are my thoughts on sheep slot more fleshed out. I also feel like he's been kind of solvy in his posts, and makes points that seem kind of bizarre to say if he were scum.

[Dunnstral]

There is one thing that pinged me from haschel in our PT at the very start of the game that felt vaguely pocket-y where he essentially said "I think you might be on to something with norwee and I agree with putting pressure there" which was kind of weird just because of the way he phrased it and how little he talked about basically anything else in the game.

I don't think this is indicative of mafia

I think it is worth looking for someone else besides sheep due to their position on the wagon, sure

[Thestatusquo]

I guess what I'm saying is sheep could make sense in a world where psyche is scum and both the shirou and psyche wagons were on scum but not really in a world where psyche is town.

I also think that if psyche and shirou were both scum and you were town we would have seen a lot more pressure on your slot that day and we didn't really see that materialize at all. So I don't think its particularly likely that psyche is scum unless you are also scum.

So I find it hard to see a world where sheep fits into any scum teams that make sense to me.

pedit: its hard for me to express exactly why it pinged me because it was a phrasing and tone thing and I can't directly quote it.

[Dunnstral]

Switch "Team Hyperpost Meta" with "Team Not Cheaters"

This is swapping Shirou and I for T-bone and SirCakez, and leaving Psyche in

At the time it was looking like the elimination was going to consolidate onto either Psyche or Shirou

I don't think that T-bone was likely to be voted for, so is this a power play to swap in a bunch of townies while mafia is close to winning, making SirCakez town, or is this wifom

I am leaning on this being a power play and Sircakez being town

[Thestatusquo]

Also like...if that post about the PT is faked its a master class of effort that would require precise details about when and where things were happening in the main thread and I just don't think that's a thing that is ever going to happen here.

And the corollary to that is: If its not faked, I see very little reason that Alisae and Shirou would have a PT like that in a world where they're scum buddies. There's like literally no world. Why put in that effort?

[Thestatusquo]

TSQ: Have i reiterated how scum Norwee is in this game of mafia?

scoreboard, jackass.

[Thestatusquo]

TSQ: Lol Norwee is doing nothing:

TSQ: Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum Norwee is scum

this is apropos of nothing but I am enjoying it.

[Thestatusquo]

Looking at these wagons after and right before the norwee swap the player that kind of feels the worst to me here is StD.

He was frequently throwing shade at shirou and was responding to me saying he was scummy by saying that he agrees but needs more information and I believe even voted him once or twice extremely briefly in response to me being particularly insistent but never voted him in a high leverage situation where he actually had any chance of going home. He kept insisting that psyche was too scummy but the insistence on psyche specifically is kind of weird when he wasn't getting the lim he wanted. He seemed like he was in the mindset of we need flips but those flips can't be shirou because we need flips to read shirou because I'm not sure about him which is kind of a weird sort of mental gymnastics. And the reach outs to me and the brief votes which he then even mentioned as "how many times have I voted your way this game" feel kind of pockety as well.

He did challenge shirou after me but that theoretically could be a bus after the norwee bus to try to deep wolf but it is also a point against STD scum.

[Thestatusquo]

Also it feels like StD has done basically nothing recently in terms of an actual solve which is weird because with two scum flips in a row I'd expect town to be more energized not less.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't really believe in Psyche's Alisae push so my current take is that either Psyche is killed or teams get switched to something like idunoooo Haschel?

could norwegianboye elaborate for the class why they "don't really believe in Psyche's Alisae push" or is an air of mystery just that desperately needed for ventilating the circus vehicle

Sheep is just another early-Psyche at this point. Barely doing fuckall.

also guy literally just got here and you're already lining him up for not having anything yet sweet jesus

[Thestatusquo]

3 people in the game have suggested i should be limmed.
3 people. 2 of those 3 strongly arguing.

T-Bone, Gamma, TSQ.

Psyche or Cakez could still be an wagon even with a swap. I’m not too worried.

was this post actually meant for the scum PT? I didn't clock it at the time but this post definitely feels like it was meant for the scum PT lol.

[Thestatusquo]

Like actually tho???? Am I crazy?????

[Thestatusquo]

I'm galaxy braining here but like...this post is apropos of nothing, i.e. not part of an ongoing conversation norwee was having in the thread, using really weird language and tone for a scum player addressing town and like...what.

It kind of reads like he's arguing with a scum buddy to not bus him.

[Thestatusquo]

I can't stress enough how much this post doesn't make any sense to me in the context of the other posts norwee was making in the thread at the time.

It's possibly because its 4 am and I am in rabid gremlin mode right now but uhhhh. I think I've convinced myself that this post was intended for the scum PT and spews cakez and psyche town.

[Thestatusquo]

If that is the case there are two scum in

sheepsaysmeep
Save The Dragons
Enchant

[Thestatusquo]

Reading the posts at the time from StD:

if norwee is town then cakez and psyche are both good targets

if norwee is scum he probably just whisked his partner away from danger

but did he really need to do that? since it wasn't necessary, did norwee just go rogue or is he just town here?

or did he pre-emptively prevent people from moving to shirou by whisking him away

if norwee is scum, why did he rescue scum!shirou who wasn't in danger

therefore, is norwee actually town here?

yes i don't really like that either

i don't like how stale his reads have been

he hasn't talked in the PT which tells me he still scumreads me to an extent

this progression is extremely bad associative-wise.

I think that this was std talking about the possibility of norwee getting swapped in and whether he would have to bus in the PT and norwee mistakenly responding in the main thread. I'm like...completely convinced.

I'll see if I'm still completely convinced in the morning.

[Enchant]

69 - Shirou: Hug gif

CHUCKLE

[Save The Dragons]

i think psyche was a bus that shirou and norwee were trying to offer us tbh