Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[Klick]

furtive, explain to people why your scumreads are your scumreads

If you can't do that on a basic level then the read probably isn't that strong or worth following

If you can then people with either agree and vote with you or disagree and talk about your read with you, promoting discussion of said read

[Klick]

Just skimming atm I know I have outstanding responses I'll do them later

[furtiveglance]

I feel demotivated

I think both Cakez and Mistyxx are town

VOTE: redFF

[Black]

Let's build some wagons

VOTE: redFF

You already tried this one

[Black]

Why do you feel demotivated?

[furtiveglance]

Let's build some wagons

VOTE: redFF

You already tried this one

Why are you heckling me

I detect bad motivations

[furtiveglance]

Why do you feel demotivated?

Just the vibes in the PT

No one agrees with my reads, why do you think

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Klick reads post

TOWN

Morning Tweet

Black
Asri Teroka
Firebringer

LEANING TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever
Aristeia
furtiveglance
Alisae
VP Baltar

NULL
redFF
Gimli
Mistyx
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
{Lycanfire, SirCakez}

SCUM

Considered thoughts are closer to here

The whole list is ordered

At this point petapan being leaning scum is kind of a meme but I like it anyway

How do you know I'm town with such confidence? I also will come back to the strong Asri townread probably later when reading them

SIRCAKEZ [5]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka
LYCANFIRE [2]: Firebringer, Morning Tweet

I liked the Lycanfire wagon better

Klick is there some asri thing I'm missing? I feel like I trust you most here, but that's a wild read

Asri seems fairly under suspicion, it's a very., notable read

I'd really like him to explain why he's townreading Cakez though.

I've had thoughts on this since last night but I went to sleep instead of responding.

Basically, I think my Cakez townread was poor. Early in Cakez's posting I thought his forwardness and willingness to bring a lot of opinions to the table was towny. I think this was biased somewhat by comparing him to Lycanfire in my head and thinking, 'well Cakez is being pretty free with his reads and Lycan isn't doing anything so if there's a scum between them it's more likely to be Lycan.' Which isn't a well-thought-out point.
In my last reads list I brought Cakez down a bit because I kinda realised this but still wanted to give credit to my initial gut ping.

I think ultimately I townread what you are scumreading. I ISO'd Cakez late last night and felt pretty similarly to you, that what he was doing could pretty easily be scum projecting false confidence. I don't feel strongly about it but with you saying it's his scum meta I kinda want to sheep you on it.

I'm just not really *feeling* it

The group consensus has all but lost me now.

VOTE: Asri Teroka

Hahahaha

Spoiler: alisae, cakez wagon

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

pedit: hmmmmmmmmm

VOTE: cakez

fuck the busy work I'll just sheep and see where it goes

This cakez wagon

*smells*

Spoiler: aristia on cakez

for example look at his push on me from WF just a few weeks ago[we were both town]

Spoiler: Cakes pushing me in WF

even though it's wrong in terms of my alignment it at least

makes sense

and has nuanced thoughts about how scum!ari approaches a game and a comparison to a prior game that he saw me play as scum and similarities included.

Here he's just making shit up that's not even factual - it's like a turd sandwich that he thought would look good or something.

Like also if he got my alignment wrong in that game why does he suddenly think he can read me very accurately now?

Well Cakez backed down now

Idk I'm on team "I think he botched the read, probably"

bad read of me and probably on ari

why do you think my read on ari is probably bad?

Think I used "probably" because nonzero chance Ari is scum, I still reserve some of that. But I feel like Ari is playing to her town playstyle -- ala the way they read me/fb and then cakez. That's not really an explanation so much as it feels similar to the way Ari engages me typically. I alsothink they've been one of th emore proactive players so this:

hi im playing pokemon but i caught up

VOTE: Ari

wanna go here rn i think decent odds this is scum struggling to make serious content

Just feels not true to me, it's a foreign read of the thread to me.

I like my Lycanfire vote just fine but I'd vote Asri if only to compete with Cakez wagon. And i dont like any of asri's stated scumreads really, and also

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

I got the impression he was a strong town player at least from anothjer game i saw. But I feel like that is an argument that works against him not towards him. If I remember right, he made a point to read most every player quickly and generally had a stronger thread prescence tthan here + I feel like he's been somewhat suspiciously (can't put it any other way) jokey.

Spoiler: reads

town


Fire


heavy town

Ari
SirCakez
furtiveglance
red - I am losing the scent on their recent posts i totally disagree. Which in of itself isn't that problematic (I think Ari's meta case is the only somewhat sympathetic reason to vote Cakes in my own opinion of course). But I wavered a little


lean town

Taly
Klick
VP Baltar


-------

Dont know

petapan/Gimli/Cat Scratch

Sort of suspect

Mistyx
Asri
Ali - I dont have any good reason to suspect Ali, although I do

Suspect

Lycanfire

pedit: Hmmm

VOTE: Lycanfire

what are you doing?

I don't dislike the Lycan wagon as much as I do the Cakez one or Mistyxx one

vote for an actual scumread of yours

I think lycan didn't do anything scummy and it's a LHF slot, so I don't like that you're voting there cause it feels like you're testing waters. I know you're probably just being town and trying to go to a place that feels good but since you just voted CSF this gave me pause

What do you mean he's LHF??? Where's thjat coming from? He's *suspicious*. That's the word I would use. You're using LHF like a total buzzword he is NOT LHF i will NOT concede this point he is playing ODD

[furtiveglance]

MT what yer laffin for

(Why laugh at my Asri vote)

[Morning Tweet]

I was gonna cry about the red wagon but on second thought, I think it potentially illuminating

[Morning Tweet]

MT what yer laffin for

(Why laugh at my Asri vote)

I think I forgot to finish that thought..

i found your reaction kind of funny. But I don't disagree. I was completely lost when CSF joined the Cakez wagon after Klick. I don't see what anyone else is seeing with Cakez (BARRING maybe the "Exert false bravado" meta shit as something that Cakez might do as scum)

[furtiveglance]

I think Cakez has seemed really towny, as someone who correctly townread his early game in Open 870

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: lycanfire

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

Yes I agree. Where is this strong town game of his? Do you see any of it

[Firebringer]

my mind tells me MT is probably town.
My gut tells me she writes every post with some sinister plot and is laughing maniacally in her scum PT with her bat wings clapsed together will saying something to the effect of "its all coming together beautifully"

[Gimli]

What do you mean he's LHF??? Where's thjat coming from? He's *suspicious*. That's the word I would use. You're using LHF like a total buzzword he is NOT LHF i will NOT concede this point he is playing ODD

maybe

what's the case on lycan? give me bullet points

[Black]

I'm getting major townie vibes from MT's post. I feel like she's being honest and her thought progression feels natural

[furtiveglance]

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

Yes I agree. Where is this strong town game of his? Do you see any of it

I think this is a bad argument, sometimes players take time to get going

[Firebringer]

I'm getting major townie vibes from MT's post. I feel like she's being honest and her thought progression feels natural

Thats what she wants u to think

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

Yes I agree. Where is this strong town game of his? Do you see any of it

I think this is a bad argument, sometimes players take time to get going

it's also not the only argument against him

[furtiveglance]

Yeah I remembered Lycan's catch-up as being townier than it was
I don't like the vote on Taly
I'll park for a bit

VOTE: Lycanfire

[VP Baltar]

Gimli, you scum ?

I'm town

you think I'm scummy?

I don't understand your vote on me. I don't really think my play this game is different from pairs other than I'm trying not to get over sunk on reads like I did with Shea because that was bad.

You think I'm really being unreasonable by pushing asri to answer very basic questions? How else am I supposed to understand their alignment?

ah, I mean questioning is one thing, scumreading is different. do you think it's more of a towny or a scummy thing to do, being obtuse about your reads the way asri is playing? I think scums tend to explain more or try to appear towny. I'm not townreading asri per se with this, I'm just saying it feels like a weak push on a weird slot that's gonna be scumread for personality reasons not alignment reasons

I think when my instincts don't like something, I tend to follow it to understand why I don't. It may be personality and that's why I said I should take a break from it. That being said, generally anytime someone says 'scum always do X, and town always do Y,' that's generally incorrect. I've seen scum dig in their heels about nonsense plenty of times.

[Lycanfire]

At work right now. Let's push this along a bit.

I feel the three points we broke out of RVS were (1) redff on gimli ("serious vote"), misty on VPB (gave a reason), and Taly on MT. I liked Taly the least, because they had high confidence and it happened right after VPB received two votes on the same page.

this is a mild reply compared to what i anticipated

Doesn't really track with posts like

MT was too mild against my conviction, it doesnt alleviate my scumread

If we talk conviction, conviction is hammering scum to the wall when you've caught them... not make a catty remark and let them exit the thread.

unless someone refutes my vote I see no reason to consider other options at this moment

Conviction level: no other option. No new content and no work being done to get some, either.

I was trying to get some reactions with the move on Taly. I have a misgiving about how furtive likes them and I really dont have any meaningful experience with Taly (I was on an alt with them in a large game that I think I flaked out on, few years back.)

[VP Baltar]

Sorting my reads because maybe this will help me have a better grasp:

My brothers in christ:

Firebringer
Klick

Good vibes:

Morning Tweet
furtiveglance
Cat Scratch Fever

Idk whatever:

Aristeia
SirCakez
Taly
Gimli
Lycanfire
Black

Stinky:

petapan
Alisae
Mistyx
redFF
Asri Teroka

Definitelyscum, no doubt:

[VP Baltar]

I think my next move needs to be taking a closer look at the idk, whatever group. There's too much middle ground here