Newbie 2111 - Know Your Skittles! (Game Over)

[Black]

VOTE: humanSequencer

Why? What did I miss? I am still catching up xD

[Elements]

Idk, I just expected more

[Black]

Also Aureal at E-2

I get town vibes from posts like this. It's a bias and I understand these comments are probably NAI but I feel like town is more likely to bring this up for everyone to see

(Though given how scummy Aureal is rn I'm probably reading way to much into a possible Weuler/Taly scum team so I'll drop it)

I'll elaborate on why I think 119 is possibly scummy once Human finishes responding to my questions, for now
UNVOTE: Weuler

FoS: Aureal

I've been giving python too many town points I guess. I don't like this post. Mainly because I'm not sure why Aureal is so scummy?

Weuler, Black, Elements, and Aureal; do you think that if Humans post of

There are two sum and two PRs and nearly everyone has posted so far

was a real slip he would need help from another person to conclude the number of PRs in the game or is it possible for him to come to the same conclusion on his own without assistance?

I feel like he could've skimmed the Newbie Setup and read it wrong. I had to read the setup multiple times after the game already started because it just wouldn't click with me at first, so I can see someone else getting mixed up too. It's probably just me being dumb but the newbie setup seems a little confusing for new players

[Black]

I think our best bet right now is Human or Weuler. I'm interested in seeing where Aureal's theory goes so I will sheep her for now

VOTE: Human

[Black]

Also I just realized I may have used wrong pronouns for people and I'm really sorry. I will try to pay more attention to that

[usesPython]

Alright time for my solve: There's at least one scum between Aureal and Weuler, and if either of them flip scum there's a Mafia Rolecop

Further, if we take the idea that this truly was a scumslip, we have to consider how Human would even realize the setup, for a true newbie isn't so likely to have considered the ramifications of the setup chart.

That's precisely why I asked them to clarify in 119.

Let's take a look at the implications of Humans possible slip:

There are two sum and two PRs and nearly everyone has posted so far

Scenario 1: He is being truthful when he says

My point was there were at most two PR's

Scenario 2: 86 was a real slip. From this follows two possible paths

Path A: Human is smart enough to realize the implication of his role on the setup and therefore cannot be either scum in a double Mafia Goon setup or Town Cop/Town Jailkeeper

Path B: Human is not smart enough to realize the implication of his role on the setup and was instead told about it by a more experienced player privately (Weuler and Aureal are here when they push this). Therefore Human is scum in a Mafia Rolecop or Mafia Roleblocker game OR

he is Mason

How does this implicate Weuler and Aureal? Simple: both of them consider this to be a scumslip and

only

a scumslip.

As I remember it, nobody was really going after Human for their possible slip. The purpose of my questions was to get an idea of whether it was a slip or not.

And the possible scumslip, of course.

Neither of them so much as consider that this could be a masonslip. Why? Because at least one of them KNOW Human

can't

be mason. How do they know this? Because Mafia Rolecop is the only setup where a Mason is impossible and they know there's a Mafia Rolecop

[Human]

Following you logic I could also be friendly neighbor tracker or doctor those roles all have another town PR with them

[Human]

Your*

[usesPython]

Following you logic I could also be friendly neighbor tracker or doctor those roles all have another town PR with them

I am in scenario 1 or scenario 2a, my point is that Weuler and Aureal are in scenario 2b when they were pushing the possible slip but still never even considered you could be Mason

[Human]

VOTE: human
Clear scumslip knowing there are two town prs

At this point everyone forgot about PR's that could actually know there were other PR's I think elements comment made everyone forget about a possible mason slip

[Aureal]

Literally both of those quotes have us calling it a "possible" slip. And I already acknowledged that I hadn't considered the idea of it being another type of slip until other people mentioned it.

[usesPython]

Literally both of those quotes have us calling it a "possible" slip. And I already acknowledged that I hadn't considered the idea of it being another type of slip until other people mentioned it.

The "possible" part was you two deciding whether

My point was there were at most two PR's

was true in the first place, not what the implications of 89 being a lie mean for Humans read

[usesPython]

Furthermore

I already acknowledged that I hadn't considered the idea of it being another type of slip until other people mentioned it.

IS THE POINT. Neither of you considering mason!Human is why I consider it scummy, because it should not be up to the person who's in their first ever forum mafia game to be the first person to point out Human could be mason

[Black]

I'm confused python. Why does Human have to be mason if he's town? Couldn't he theoretically be any of the town power roles that have another PR alongside them? What am I missing here

[usesPython]

I'm confused python. Why does Human have to be mason if he's town? Couldn't he theoretically be any of the town power roles that have another PR alongside them? What am I missing here

He could as long as you believe he's smart enough to figure out the setup by himself (which I think he is). Since Weuler and Aureal don't however, if the slipup is real then according to them he'd need access to a PT containing someone who could figure out the setup by themselves. Thus they should be considering scum!Human AND mason!Human, yet they completely ignore the possibility of mason!Human?

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: std

Reaction testing

[Elements]

VOTE: StD

[Black]

Ok I'm following now. I think my issue with that is the assumption that town!Human was definitely talked to in a PT. Why are we ignoring the more obvious explanation of Human looked at the setup and figured it out for himself?

Aureal's explanation seems genuine, mostly because I had the exact same thought process earlier. I had completely overlooked the fact that town Human could know there are 2 PRs

[Aureal]

I'm confused python. Why does Human have to be mason if he's town? Couldn't he theoretically be any of the town power roles that have another PR alongside them? What am I missing here

He could as long as you believe he's smart enough to figure out the setup by himself (which I think he is). Since Weuler and Aureal don't however, if the slipup is real then according to them he'd need access to a PT containing someone who could figure out the setup by themselves. Thus they should be considering scum!Human AND mason!Human, yet they completely ignore the possibility of mason!Human?

I see where you're coming from now and I'm just going to have to tell you that if you expect somewhat more experienced people to just be perfectly logical and deeply analyze every possibility before thinking something, you're going to be in for a lot of disappointment.

Also can we please not equate "highly analytical" with "smart" please? I'm not calling Human not smart so please don't put words in my mouth.

[Save The Dragons]

I think human is town

I like weuler and arko for scum at this point. Weuler made jokes all throught the first few pages of the newbie game that was brought up. It's weird theyre not funny here it was something I noticed

Arko just has that big scum energy

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[Black]

I think human is town

I like weuler and arko for scum at this point. Weuler made jokes all throught the first few pages of the newbie game that was brought up. It's weird theyre not funny here it was something I noticed

Arko just has that big scum energy

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I understand the suspicion around Weuler but why Arko? Elaborate on said "big scum energy"

[usesPython]

Actually given that Newbie 2108 that Aureal played in had masons in it (One of which was nightkilled n1 and the other nightkilled n2), it's even weirder for her to ignore even the possibility of mason!Human

[Save The Dragons]

I think human is town

I like weuler and arko for scum at this point. Weuler made jokes all throught the first few pages of the newbie game that was brought up. It's weird theyre not funny here it was something I noticed

Arko just has that big scum energy

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I understand the suspicion around Weuler but why Arko? Elaborate on said "big scum energy"

I have seen/been scum before come into the thread a little bombastic and loud. His posts here seem kind of all over the place. It's not really a great tell but it has worked for me sometimes.

[Save The Dragons]

Elements vote hoping is hard to determine because it could be liberated town or performative scum

[Elements]

I'm free as a bird