Mini 2287: AB:LoAF (Postgame)

[Gimli]

we keep hail

follow me to victory fellas!

but seriously kuzu is openwolfing and I'm sorry I wasn't paying attention

[Gimli]

kyoko isn't towny

Lich I'm so sorry for d1

[Aisa]

I don't think N_M and Drew are both scum together.

I think there's a good chance of scum being in {Aisa,Drew}. Slightly leaning more towards Aisa for a couple reasons. I wasn't a fan of where Aisa landed for the scum POE (it seemed kind of low-reaching), and the post Aisa use for reference to townread Enchant seems a bit weak? (840 referencing 809). But I'm also concerned that I don't see as much suspicion as I would expect from this slot. For example:

It's more that I at least townlean everyone else!

I've touched on this slightly, but I voted Fuyuhiko partly to vote someone.

I know Aisa said this playerlist seems to be cautious with votes, and I can see that, but I am seeing more scrutiny from a lot of other slots. Even looking at Aisa's case on Fuyuhiko, I see a lot of hesitance. I can't tell if this is just because Aisa is checked out or not, but there seems to be something tonally off for this slot? But I haven't played with Aisa before.

Even though I'm townleaning Gimli currently, I think an {Aisa, Gimli} scumpair is possible. Hm. As I'm going through the playlist, there are a few players I could see as partners with scum!Aisa (namely Gimli, Herta, Enchant, Kokichi). I'm having a harder time seeing that with Doctor Drew (which, I guess if you are scum, good job?)

VOTE: Aisa

I don't know why I promised I would respond to this last night, I know people are usually not very amenable to self meta but I suppose I'll try >.<
I think a lot of this is fair, but I'd like to ask you to consider if you're conflating being hesitant, which is something that I am a lot and that I have difficulty getting rid of even when I try, with not wanting to solve the game.

I think lurkier slots are more likely to be scum. Sadly, because I'd like to believe that the outcome of a mafia game is not just determined by who puts more time into it, but that's a digression.

P-edit: holy cow, gimli

[Gimli]

I discarded vanilla

Yeah I'm just gonna fullclaim this
I have to ability to pick a player and a word 3 times per game as a night action, if they post that word the next day they die

isn't that a little funky? your discard was vanilla but your actual role is a killing ability.

I wonder if on d2...

:tinfoil:

kuzu and kyoko are groupscum. check: horrible theatrics

Spoiler: scum theatre or something

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Now you mad e me wor rie d abo ut tal king

nice



if act ion s wen t thr ough I'm

alr read y cle ar

sti ll ple ase don t kil me a use less kill

VOTE: Kyoko Kirigiri
I think this is where I want to start looking this day phase.

Curious as to why

I don t know. I wish frie nds woul dln t sus pect ea ch oth er in this game of des pair

damn is hard to talk like this with auto corr etc lmao

and on and on

[Aisa]

Here are some posts that make me want to townread Doctor Drew.

Spoiler:

I can confirm TL's claim.

What's your read on Lich in and out of the neighborhood? Are you the only two or are there more people?

Just TL and I in the neighborhood. They also said that I (or specifically narrow parking) was a random choice.

There hasn't been much action in the hood, just TL explaining to my former self what a hood is lol. Really no real alignment read from that. I almost feel like they are too scared too give too much away, but their in thread activity has matched their hood activity, so might be nothing big about that.

In thread, seems weird that they are the only real wagon and besides TL's push on Kyo, there been a real push for a counter wagon. I keep going back to TL's sudden read change on Mara, which to me seemed the most scummy thing to happen to that point.

I feel like I am overthinking my way out of a TL voted, but I would prefer to let things play out a bit more.

"I feel like I am overthinking my way out of a TL vote" this doesn't seem like a scum thought process

Spoiler:

Agreed that Gimli and KT are almost guaranteed to not be same alignment.

Hey, maybe first instincts were correct.

VOTE: KT

End of D1 when under fire is quite the time for TL to come alive and making some sense at least

I like this, because I also thought TL seemed a bit townier towards the end of the day.

Spoiler:

I have a guilty on Doctor Drew

I also have guilty on Doctor Drew

Wut?

There is more than one reason this is untrue, I will let you guess what they are.

(Spoiler, one of which is I am town).

I personally like this reaction. I know Marashu didn't, saying

Right now I'm looking at Doctor Drew. Didn't like his reaction to the obviously very real and not at all troll guilties at day start.

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but I think the reaction is good. I think it's normal to have a "what??" reaction if you walk into thread as on day 2 and see that two slots claim to have a guilty on you?
I think it would have been much worse if he hadn't categorically denied the guilties and tried to play them off or find some kind of excuse for them.

The posts above are examples. The point is that I find Drew's vibe towny, it's like they're not really actively trying to push anything through.

I need a break, but I'll be back later.

[Enchant]

So anyway. I checked every role in setup.

Conclusion: NM can have guilty. But most likely he is bullshitting as none of these are "directly condemning".

There's like 1 exception: Large modifier which makes you bulletproof and your action can't be prevented.


... I have too much freetime.

[Gimli]

So anyway. I checked every role in setup.

Conclusion: NM can have guilty. But most likely he is bullshitting as none of these are "directly condemning".

There's like 1 exception: Large modifier which makes you bulletproof and your action can't be prevented.


... I have too much freetime.

enchant <3

so we just won't care about NM's claim and also I think it's a good idea to sheep aisa's townread on drew. it's much better than the reasons people are suspecting him (I personally have no idea but am leaning town nonetheless).

[Marashu]

UNVOTE: Aisa

There are a few things that get around weather, all kind of specific. N_M, is it your role or someone else's role that let you get your guilty through hail?

Flipping N_M to confirm the guilty on Drew might not be bad, but N_M might be town here. I think if we're getting rid of N_M, the slot should be voted, not vigged.

I think lurkier slots are more likely to be scum. Sadly, because I'd like to believe that the outcome of a mafia game is not just determined by who puts more time into it, but that's a digression.

I think we might need to agree to disagree on this one. I really don't think that activity = alignment.

PEdit: Enchant, I was thinking you were responsible tbh. There is a role that would allow it; I just need to confirm how it resolved.

[Enchant]

UNVOTE: Aisa

There are a few things that get around weather, all kind of specific. N_M, is it your role or someone else's role that let you get your guilty through hail?

Flipping N_M to confirm the guilty on Drew might not be bad, but N_M might be town here. I think if we're getting rid of N_M, the slot should be voted, not vigged.

I think lurkier slots are more likely to be scum. Sadly, because I'd like to believe that the outcome of a mafia game is not just determined by who puts more time into it, but that's a digression.

I think we might need to agree to disagree on this one. I really don't think that activity = alignment.

PEdit: Enchant, I was thinking you were responsible tbh. There is a role that would allow it; I just need to confirm how it resolved.

Surprise me.

[Marashu]

Surprise me.

Did you lend or give anything to N_M last night?

[Enchant]

No.

[Enchant]

Don't tell me you mean this guy with Umbrella.

[Enchant]

Because it's still not possible.

[Marashu]

I was looking at umbrella, yes.

[Marashu]

I don't know how giving an item is resolved, but it can also be lent for a night, and if it's lent out, I would imagine it applies that night. And the lender is immune to weather before the lending.

[Enchant]

After consideration i rulled this out.

There's too small pool of players who are willing to give NM anything.

[Marashu]

From my POV, there's exactly 1 - you. Which is why I thought you might have done it.

[Marashu]

PS - hail mode is go. I'll look at Fuyuhiko this evening.

[Enchant]

I ceirtanly could.

Anyway, it's hypothetically. And hypothetically NM can be as well pregame cop who decided to not claim result d1 for sake of that.

Realistically, i doubt NM guilty is genuine. I still willing to follow it because NM is actually pretty competent.

[Aisa]

I just found this alignment which seems possibly relevant!!

Third Party Introduction:

Duplicator

Abilities: Factional "Duplicate" action. Target a player during the day, learn the target's role card.
At night, you have a factional ability to use the role that you found during that day. This action is multitasking. If you found a role with no activated night ability, you become 1 shot Bulletproof that night.
Once per game may choose to self target with their factional day ability. Once per game may choose to use their day ability twice in one day.

Goal: Eliminate all opposing factions, or prevent them from killing you. You win alone.

[Aisa]

It acts during the Day, so would explain how NM got past Hail. It could be that NM found a scummy looking card and decided to claim the guilty. That's maybe slightly less solid than a gunsmith, but in the same ballpark?

It could also absolutely be that NM is just trolling as usual, there's something like a 1/40 chance of this alignment being in the game, so

[Marashu]

Then why not duplicate the claimed reverse vig to guarantee a shot or two at night?

[Marashu]

Possible, but because the alignment wins alone, it's weird that N_M would do that D2.

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Alright I give up hope on you all

I'm not gonna read all your case on me. Nor I care about your vote on me.

I'm not in town. I'm 3p but won't say which yet. Guess setup freaks might be able to get that. What I am is a modified friendly neighbor and I can prove by action that I'm no threat to town and mafia.

Litteraly no one has to do anything to me. Discussing me during day phase, using actions against me etc are all useless and a distraction for you as I said day 1 and day 2.

I can win with all of you. Just leave me be

I don't know how to soft harder than that that I'm a friendly neighbor and I can prove I'm not a threat. Like I don't know

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

lol auto correct changed I'm not town to I'm not in town

funny