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Post Post #1200 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:15 am

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In post 1196, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
In post 1161, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: BTW I wanted to tell you all this but couldn't do so pre claim

There is a chance that Herta is in actual scum group as universal miller and that way they would pass as a hurtless 3p

You need to consider that option in this setup
Would it have to be a groupscum faction?
Well herta is not 3p. and I doubt we have two 3p groups in this significantly small multi faction game alongside a group scum

so herta is either town or main group scum and can be either with the miller claim.

I just wanted to tell you that the role makes sense for group scum too cause I've been thinking about it
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Post Post #1201 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:18 am

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I feel like she’s been incredibly upfront about what she’s capable of and that means her claim is probably true. So she’s a bad push imo, and Gimli has been going after her potentially all game, with extremely wild cases that indicate he’s willing to resort to any means necessary to make his push go through. I don’t like any of that, and he’s basically in desperation mode at this point because Aisa is the leading vote rather than his pet suspicion Kyoko.
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Post Post #1202 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:19 am

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In post 1201, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: I feel like she’s been incredibly upfront about what she’s capable of and that means her claim is probably true. So she’s a bad push imo, and Gimli has been going after her potentially all game, with extremely wild cases that indicate he’s willing to resort to any means necessary to make his push go through. I don’t like any of that, and he’s basically in desperation mode at this point because Aisa is the leading vote rather than his pet suspicion Kyoko.
Do you understand that Kyoko is Third Party, and therefore if alive in ELO will just instantly betray us and end game in town lose?

Kyoko push is never bad her.e
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Post Post #1203 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:21 am

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I don’t think it’s that simple.
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Post Post #1204 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:22 am

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Explain
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Post Post #1205 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:27 am

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Based on who Kyoko targets, she may be locked into winning with the town. My one question is whether she has to live to win.
Also, I very much suggest not hailing tonight.
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Post Post #1206 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:30 am

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enchant

are you sure you want me to fully claim my alignment too? cause me full claiming is worse for town.

Its so annoying that you cant just do the right thing and accept the friendly neighbor aspect of my role and leave your "elo concerns" for later in game at the very least where me claiming won't have any effect on me or town.

Can I tell you that its really easier for me to win with town by default and you believe me? Otherwise why would I have been playing the way I did - so in open with my claim.

pedit: I want to ideally target both town and scum with my friendly neighbor in the next night phases which is gonna be hard.
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Post Post #1207 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:32 am

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In post 1206, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: pedit: I want to ideally target both town and scum with my friendly neighbor in the next night phases which is gonna be hard.
I don’t think this is as good of a plan as you might.
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Post Post #1208 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:33 am

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In post 1207, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
In post 1206, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: pedit: I want to ideally target both town and scum with my friendly neighbor in the next night phases which is gonna be hard.
I don’t think this is as good of a plan as you might.
yeah but I might not have so much of a choice with it.
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Post Post #1209 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:34 am

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I suggest you read your win condition again, Kyoko.
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Post Post #1210 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:36 am

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In post 1209, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: I suggest you read your win condition again, Kyoko.
I know what it is
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Post Post #1211 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:38 am

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seriously though. I'm a freaking friendly neighbor

20 pages later after I said I can confirm to you all that I'm not a threat, and I'm still the most discussed player in game.

You guys are awesome in this game.
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Post Post #1212 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:43 am

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In that case I’m less against booting Kyoko.
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Post Post #1213 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:48 am

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if you wanna buy me new boots, I gotta tell you that my favorite color is purple
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Post Post #1214 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:52 am

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In post 1197, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.
if she is a bad 3p instead of what she is claiming, we might not know until too late. I think you're scum so it doesn't matter that you're shading me over it.
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Post Post #1215 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:53 am

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In post 1214, Gimli wrote:
In post 1197, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.
if she is a bad 3p instead of what she is claiming, we might not know until too late. I think you're scum so it doesn't matter that you're shading me over it.
How can I be a bad 3p and have a role that can confirm I can win alongside the town?

bad 3ps win alone
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Post Post #1216 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 9:56 am

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In post 1201, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: I feel like she’s been incredibly upfront about what she’s capable of and that means her claim is probably true. So she’s a bad push imo, and Gimli has been going after her potentially all game, with extremely wild cases that indicate he’s willing to resort to any means necessary to make his push go through. I don’t like any of that, and he’s basically in desperation mode at this point because Aisa is the leading vote rather than his pet suspicion Kyoko.
that's a bunch of absurdities. I've been thinking kyoko might be 3p since early d1 and my thoughts about it have been all laid out ITT.

Spoiler: my kyoko 3p progression
In post 305, Gimli wrote: did you pick a benign 3p over VT
In post 307, Gimli wrote: I'm reading the setup now

the benign 3p list is super cool btw, lots of fun roles
In post 815, Gimli wrote:
In post 709, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
I am a fri end mr fake evil sup reme lea der
a fri end
oooooooooooooooooooooo

she is 3p

I said that shit on d1
In post 816, Gimli wrote: or she is fakeclaiming 3p

A FRIEND

that's why she doesn't care about solving this mess

I'm alone in this game!!!!!! 3p kyoko will be the death of us
In post 819, Gimli wrote: as funny as it was when she was roleplaying post intereference in the beginning of the day, I also think this is something she's >rand to do when she's mafia cause it sets the stage for us thinking scum used a redirector on her or something like that. I don't think it was a reaction test and I don't think it's towny. I also don't think calling people friend and townreading enchant when he was coming at her on d1 are things she is very likely to do when she is actually town. so tbh kyoko is either 3p or mafia at this point and I'll be kinda shocked if she is actually town playing like that.

I also don't like how she had the same ideas re: lich that I had, that he was consistent in his whatever mindset, but she never wanted to drop that scumread and support me townreading him. it made me look like a tinfoil hat crazy person with the crazy idea that lich was town since nobody else thought that. but I get from kyoko's posts that she thought that? so.

sorry for the rambling, I haven't even read d2 with any attention yet and am just spamming things.
In post 823, Gimli wrote: BUT YOU'RE A 3P THO



and I don't want to flip kyoko, I want to flip you.
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Post Post #1217 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:00 am

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there arent many options that can fit my claim/confirmable role and none are bad in any way for the town.
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Post Post #1218 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:03 am

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In post 1205, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Based on who Kyoko targets, she may be locked into winning with the town. My one question is whether she has to live to win.
Also, I very much suggest not hailing tonight.
No.

Dictator (if it's dictator) can change with who he can win.
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Post Post #1219 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:04 am

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alright

I'm not a dictator either.
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Post Post #1220 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:04 am

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In post 1214, Gimli wrote:
In post 1197, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Gimli continually pushing for Kyoto to die even after she fullclaimed is an abysmally bad look.
if she is a bad 3p instead of what she is claiming, we might not know until too late. I think you're scum so it doesn't matter that you're shading me over it.
Well you’re dead fucking wrong. Most of your read on me has to do with Kyoko anyway so if you think she’s malicious 3p you should be pushing her!
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Post Post #1221 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:05 am

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In post 1219, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: alright

I'm not a dictator either.
Then I fail to see how you are not a threat.
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Post Post #1222 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:05 am

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In post 1219, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: alright

I'm not a dictator either.
Then it MAKES sense to not claim okay.
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Post Post #1223 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:05 am

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In post 1221, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote:
In post 1219, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote: alright

I'm not a dictator either.
Then I fail to see how you are not a threat.
cause I'm not and I have a confirmable role that shows it?!!!
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Post Post #1224 (ISO) » Sat Feb 11, 2023 10:07 am

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In post 1218, Enchant wrote:
In post 1205, Fuyuhiko Kuzuryu wrote: Based on who Kyoko targets, she may be locked into winning with the town. My one question is whether she has to live to win.
Also, I very much suggest not hailing tonight.
No.

Dictator (if it's dictator) can change with who he can win.
If Dictator targets town going into ELo it may have to play to win with town for the rest of the game
But given Kyoko is disavowing being that role it’s moot.
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