I kinda don't feel safe with both of them alive. We need to AT LEAST hit one scum today with the elim and vig. There is a chance Kitty is scum of some sort so we can't rule that out either so this elim today is actually pretty crucial it seems.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
If we elim town and then Kitty is scum and hits town we are pretty much screwed for sure.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
Herta could be a pirate. If herta looked at the picks and saw must-pick miller, herta didn't need to worry about how the pick affected alignment. Then, per steps 6 and 8 of the setup which say that faction PTs are given after all discards are resolved, herta finds out about the faction via PT. I honestly believe Herta didn't see the faction in the original pick PM, which means that herta thinking scum was assigned after the picks might be a scumslip. But that's my tinfoil theory.
In post 1369, Marashu wrote:
Wait, a pirate win means they exit the game with a win. So it's guaranteed that the first person they target and the last person they target are not aligned. And it sounds like people discarded vanilla roles, which are the roles that protect from pirate, oddly enough. That said, if pirates tell us who they are pirating, then if they exit at night, we can basically use that as a parity cop between the first person they target and the last person they target. No reason to hunt/shoot pirates.
But on the flip side, if we wait too long, can't they just side with scum?
Hard for them to scumside, if you think about it. As soon as they find someone of every faction, they leave the game. It's to their benefit to find scum early so that they don't risk dying. But for them to fully scumside, they would need to only plunder scum and have town removed.
Now that I understand that Kirigiri is a groupscum not 3p I am not as against them being the vote/vig today. I think I would prefer the vig since we guarantee that we hit 1 scum and we have a chance of voting scum out too.
I think Hail is 100% a must today as I was saying earlier.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 1379, Marashu wrote:
Herta could be a pirate. If herta looked at the picks and saw must-pick miller, herta didn't need to worry about how the pick affected alignment. Then, per steps 6 and 8 of the setup which say that faction PTs are given after all discards are resolved, herta finds out about the faction via PT. I honestly believe Herta didn't see the faction in the original pick PM, which means that herta thinking scum was assigned after the picks might be a scumslip. But that's my tinfoil theory.
At this point, I don't even know.
I think I'm down for a Herta vote today. You? Also I think we should just tell Kitty who to vig rather than a pool. At least for today, since this seems to be a pretty crucial day.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
if the other pirate claimed, we'd diminish the likelihood of missing true groupscum. we are NOT interested in killing the pirates because they are meaningless to town's wincon. they can also pretty much serve as rolecops. we'll deal with potential problems wrt their claim when we get there.
In post 1383, Marashu wrote:
Assuming that the Any faction really are pirates.
Kirigiri could be lying to save herself, true. This is pretty confusing. And it doesn't help that we only have 1 day left.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
In post 1385, Gimli wrote:
if the other pirate claimed, we'd diminish the likelihood of missing true groupscum. we are NOT interested in killing the pirates because they are meaningless to town's wincon. they can also pretty much serve as rolecops. we'll deal with potential problems wrt their claim when we get there.
so may the other pirate please stand up?
Kirigiri could be lying and is not a pirate and something else. Pirate is group scum and Kirigiri was pretty adamant about being 3p
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
have a factional Complex Combined Vanillaiser/ Role Cop action. (the target will lose all personal abilities and the
Pirate
performing their action will learn their role. This fails if used on a vanilla role.
Pirates
win when at least 1 player from each other alignment still alive in the game has been successfully plundered and at least one
Pirate
is alive.
A
Pirate
win causes all members of that faction to leave the game victorious and the rest of the game to continue.
Additional Info:
Cop: Maritime Cop
Godfather: Pirate Captain
Miller: Sailor
Mason: Coast Guard
Factional Concept by KittyTacky
(Note that since this post is a faction introduction it should be treated as "Vanilla" if rolled for a role.)
if the pirates have a factional vanillaiser/role cop, then they must certainly share a PT.
In post 1388, Gimli wrote:
do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.
Kyoko knows who the other pirate is. Kyoko also called that person 3P, so I think she's treating the entire Pirate faction as a 3P faction that wins independently since it's not a True Groupscum faction.
In post 1289, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)
Mind telling the class what the “obvious difference” is? You should be able to do so since you seem to think it exists. I will grant my gameplay there differs in some ways but has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment. And I a think my conviction there and here match rather fairly.
I think you're way more assertive this game than last
Okay, that’s something. Question is why does Gimli think I’m more assertive as scum?
"I'm used to being mistrusted... Do what you will..."
In post 1388, Gimli wrote:
do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.
Kyoko knows who the other pirate is. Kyoko also called that person 3P, so I think she's treating the entire Pirate faction as a 3P faction that wins independently since it's not a True Groupscum faction.
In post 1289, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)
there's something wonky here. she said 'another 3p' she didn't say it was another pirate.
I think she has true groupscum equity rn. I'll mull this over.
In post 1098, Herta wrote:
Using hail again seems to me not a good play.
In the words of TL 'scum mindset'
How so? I think there’s reasons to not use hail tonight. I would suggest Marashu holster rather than use another power so hail can be done again later though.
What if scum just kill him tonight and we don't get another use of his role? It's silly not to just use hail again.
You’re probably right but I don’t see it as scummy for Herta to say what he said.
"I'm used to being mistrusted... Do what you will..."
Yeah I think Herta is either town/true groupscum miller that returns pirate or pirate miller
Essentially: I think Pirates are the smallest groupscum faction this game.
"I'm used to being mistrusted... Do what you will..."
In post 1388, Gimli wrote:
do pirates share a PT? do they know each other? kirigiri said as if she doesn't know who the other pirate is.
Kyoko knows who the other pirate is. Kyoko also called that person 3P, so I think she's treating the entire Pirate faction as a 3P faction that wins independently since it's not a True Groupscum faction.
In post 1289, Kyoko Kirigiri wrote:
(also this means I'm not the only 3p in game. there are 2 of us. make whatever you want of the setup based on this info)
there's something wonky here. she said 'another 3p' she didn't say it was another pirate.
I think she has true groupscum equity rn. I'll mull this over.
the thing is: there aren't more than 3 factions in the game. there are guaranteed 3 factions. 'another 3p', 'make whatever you want of the setup', those aren't saying she is not the only pirate. those are saying she is not the only third party (when she is not third party, she is benign groupscum allegedly). I think it's possible that she is lying because of that.
I feel like we're arguing semantics at this point - when I read "us" I see Kyoko identifying as the same alignment as the "another 3P". If there is another benign 3P or benign groupscum that is not pirate, they should CC
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
