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Post Post #2750 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:31 pm

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In post 2738, Alisae wrote:
In post 2733, Klick wrote: Fwiw I'm much happier with a Gimli vote today than an Asri vote

I just really struggle to wrap my head around Asri's choice to play how they have if they're scum here, like it's really far from what I'd consider achieving any of scum's actual interests

I feel like for most players this is valid logic
I can accept that Asri might not be one of those players
What about Asri's play is villagery?
We don't care about the gimmick here, we can read past that.
I genuinely don't see how they are villagery, in fact I would go as far as to say I feel like they are trying to provide as little to no villager contributions to the game.
Asri does /have reads/
They're very poorly developed but there are stances, they exist
Even if Asri winds up being scum in this particular game, I suspect their town game wouldn't look much different than this if they rolled town here
I don't see sufficient evidence that a villager /would not/ play like this

Meanwhile, I see zero legitimate scum utility to how Asri has played
I try to picture a world where Asri is scum in this game and ask 'what are they trying to accomplish to further their win condition'
And 'trying to provide no content' isn't a sufficient answer to that question, that doesn't actually achieve the things scum want to achieve, ESPECIALLY if the rest of our reads are right and this scumteam isn't well positioned
So for me to assume Asri is scum I also need to assume they are not considering long-term survival in their gameplay, like, at all
Which is a tough pill for me to swallow. Not completely impossible but unlikely enough that I think townreading the play is correct until given enough reason not to (like the current traitor theory you have)
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Post Post #2751 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:31 pm

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In post 2749, Firebringer wrote: petapan just likes voting me.
what a contrarian
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Post Post #2752 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:32 pm

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im interested in seeing how Shea/Black reads have changed now after day 1.
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I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

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Post Post #2753 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:33 pm

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Furtive positions day 1 make more sense if you try to think about him being a traitor who is deliberately trying to avoid scumreading his allies lol
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2754 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:35 pm

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Firebringer in PoE is probably just paranoia on my part if I'm honest
I thought your reaction to the neighbour claim stuff wasn't great
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Post Post #2755 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:36 pm

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I have to ignore a couple of strong factors that indicate Firebringer is town to leave it open as a possibility
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Post Post #2756 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:36 pm

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i want to live to end game so if you can keep me in the paranoia bucket that works for me.
i hate my role though
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I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

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Post Post #2757 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:37 pm

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i really don't want to be widely townread. that means i am a possible night kill option and i don't want that
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I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2758 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:38 pm

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I also hate being nightkilled and love making it to endgame!
Mafia is best with a developed game and like 7-9 players left
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Post Post #2759 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:38 pm

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This game is role madness right.

If I have information, should I just say?
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Post Post #2760 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:39 pm

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In post 2750, Klick wrote:
In post 2738, Alisae wrote:
In post 2733, Klick wrote: Fwiw I'm much happier with a Gimli vote today than an Asri vote

I just really struggle to wrap my head around Asri's choice to play how they have if they're scum here, like it's really far from what I'd consider achieving any of scum's actual interests

I feel like for most players this is valid logic
I can accept that Asri might not be one of those players
What about Asri's play is villagery?
We don't care about the gimmick here, we can read past that.
I genuinely don't see how they are villagery, in fact I would go as far as to say I feel like they are trying to provide as little to no villager contributions to the game.
Asri does /have reads/
They're very poorly developed but there are stances, they exist
Even if Asri winds up being scum in this particular game, I suspect their town game wouldn't look much different than this if they rolled town here
I don't see sufficient evidence that a villager /would not/ play like this

Meanwhile, I see zero legitimate scum utility to how Asri has played
I try to picture a world where Asri is scum in this game and ask 'what are they trying to accomplish to further their win condition'
And 'trying to provide no content' isn't a sufficient answer to that question, that doesn't actually achieve the things scum want to achieve, ESPECIALLY if the rest of our reads are right and this scumteam isn't well positioned
So for me to assume Asri is scum I also need to assume they are not considering long-term survival in their gameplay, like, at all
Which is a tough pill for me to swallow. Not completely impossible but unlikely enough that I think townreading the play is correct until given enough reason not to (like the current traitor theory you have)
Okay so the thing is like, I have Misty as strong villager.
I don't think they boldly play to flavor like they have at the start of the game. They have a pulse. I SEE them hunting.

Petapan did not play D1 with any wolf agenda at all. He played what I think was a super reactive D1 where as if they were a wolf I would expect more proactivity.

Firebringer I already explained, I don't see their gameplan right now if they're a wolf and if I'm wrong it's a bridge we can cross once we flipped Asri, Gimli, RedFF, and maybe Furtive. None of these players can live to end game, at least I am going to need their flips before I can even THINK about Firebringer as a wolf.

I remember a lot of instances of me wanting to TR VP and Shea's catch-up is something I'm super happy with. They just seem villager.
Ari super town.
MT is likely town given their read on Lycan.
CSF did not feel like a wolf bussing Lycan at all. Seems super villagery even with lycanflip.

Black is probably town playing their own game and trying to find wolves but is completely lost in where to look.

Taly town

like I'm super convinced all of these people are just so so much more villagery than Asri and Asri just so happens to work!
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Post Post #2761 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:40 pm

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Alisae, you are not going to strongarm this game, and you are not going to get me killed.
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Post Post #2762 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:40 pm

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scum petapan probably does try to do something to save scum teammate ActionDan right?
I mean, he just rolled over and went with Dan like it was nothing.

Probably ++ town points for it.
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his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.

His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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Post Post #2763 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:40 pm

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In post 2759, furtiveglance wrote: This game is role madness right.

If I have information, should I just say?
nbg;lsdhjntyg;'auj

THEN CLAIM IT BRO HOW DO YOU GO FROM "I'M NOT CLAIMING JUST BECAUSE YOU SUPERSOLVED THE GAME" TO "I HAVE INFORMATION" LIKE WHAT??????
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Post Post #2764 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:41 pm

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MAKE A PLAY BRO
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Post Post #2765 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:41 pm

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In post 2763, Alisae wrote:
In post 2759, furtiveglance wrote: This game is role madness right.

If I have information, should I just say?
nbg;lsdhjntyg;'auj

THEN CLAIM IT BRO HOW DO YOU GO FROM "I'M NOT CLAIMING JUST BECAUSE YOU SUPERSOLVED THE GAME" TO "I HAVE INFORMATION" LIKE WHAT??????
Because I forgot it was role madness
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Post Post #2766 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:42 pm

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In post 2760, Alisae wrote:
In post 2750, Klick wrote:
In post 2738, Alisae wrote:
In post 2733, Klick wrote: Fwiw I'm much happier with a Gimli vote today than an Asri vote

I just really struggle to wrap my head around Asri's choice to play how they have if they're scum here, like it's really far from what I'd consider achieving any of scum's actual interests

I feel like for most players this is valid logic
I can accept that Asri might not be one of those players
What about Asri's play is villagery?
We don't care about the gimmick here, we can read past that.
I genuinely don't see how they are villagery, in fact I would go as far as to say I feel like they are trying to provide as little to no villager contributions to the game.
Asri does /have reads/
They're very poorly developed but there are stances, they exist
Even if Asri winds up being scum in this particular game, I suspect their town game wouldn't look much different than this if they rolled town here
I don't see sufficient evidence that a villager /would not/ play like this

Meanwhile, I see zero legitimate scum utility to how Asri has played
I try to picture a world where Asri is scum in this game and ask 'what are they trying to accomplish to further their win condition'
And 'trying to provide no content' isn't a sufficient answer to that question, that doesn't actually achieve the things scum want to achieve, ESPECIALLY if the rest of our reads are right and this scumteam isn't well positioned
So for me to assume Asri is scum I also need to assume they are not considering long-term survival in their gameplay, like, at all
Which is a tough pill for me to swallow. Not completely impossible but unlikely enough that I think townreading the play is correct until given enough reason not to (like the current traitor theory you have)
Okay so the thing is like, I have Misty as strong villager.
I don't think they boldly play to flavor like they have at the start of the game. They have a pulse. I SEE them hunting.

Petapan did not play D1 with any wolf agenda at all. He played what I think was a super reactive D1 where as if they were a wolf I would expect more proactivity.

Firebringer I already explained, I don't see their gameplan right now if they're a wolf and if I'm wrong it's a bridge we can cross once we flipped Asri, Gimli, RedFF, and maybe Furtive. None of these players can live to end game, at least I am going to need their flips before I can even THINK about Firebringer as a wolf.

I remember a lot of instances of me wanting to TR VP and Shea's catch-up is something I'm super happy with. They just seem villager.
Ari super town.
MT is likely town given their read on Lycan.
CSF did not feel like a wolf bussing Lycan at all. Seems super villagery even with lycanflip.

Black is probably town playing their own game and trying to find wolves but is completely lost in where to look.

Taly town

like I'm super convinced all of these people are just so so much more villagery than Asri and Asri just so happens to work!
I strong agree with you on all of these except for Mistyx and Taly. I'm happy to dive into those two more deeply but right now I don't really get it with them
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Post Post #2767 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:45 pm

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In post 2764, Alisae wrote: MAKE A PLAY BRO
Hold on
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Post Post #2768 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:45 pm

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In post 2767, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 2764, Alisae wrote: MAKE A PLAY BRO
Hold on
bro this isn't sex
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Post Post #2769 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:46 pm

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Post Post #2770 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:47 pm

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In post 2768, Alisae wrote:
In post 2767, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 2764, Alisae wrote: MAKE A PLAY BRO
Hold on
bro this isn't sex
:thinking:

I'm an impulsive player so I'll just say this: I'm the 'Collector', a 1-shot Jailor. I have the ability to stop the mafia kill. I targeted petapan last night.

VOTE: petapan
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Post Post #2771 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:50 pm

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VOTE: petapan

i was thinking the petapan move on dan coulda been a bus and then dan's big response to him looked fake asl
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Post Post #2772 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:50 pm

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That's really convenient that the person you were pushing all of D1 you suddenly have a guilty on.
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Post Post #2773 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:51 pm

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what does a jailor do
You are always gonna be my love
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Post Post #2774 (ISO) » Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:51 pm

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It's almost as if my reads informed my night action

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