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[PenguinPower]

ok, freedom next

I'm Announcing Roaming Watcher.
Taly targeted Penguin N1 (idk why but Penguin can confirm a watcher targeted him). Nobody else seems to have visited.
I targeted Klick last Night and surprise! Nobody else seems to have visited.
However, Klick was NKed. Mafia must have targeted him.

Which is why I think there's Mafia Ninja in either the VT claims or the unclaimed.

Also, Kowa, you can be next.

[PenguinPower]

me > klick > fire

[Herta]

Informed makes sense given it was advertised as complex, as with the last normal game.

[Kowahbunga]

And Herta can confirm if Fire was targeted and if Fire targeted. So Herta, what's your info on Fire from last night?

[Herta]

And Herta can confirm if Fire was targeted and if Fire targeted. So Herta, what's your info on Fire from last night?

Read please.

[Kowahbunga]

Motion detected at firebringer's joint.

All I saw was motion detected. That's all I can see.

If I'm reading your role right on the wiki, shouldn't you have been told two separate things? Because you should be able to target a player and learn if anything was done by or to them. But you're only getting a single message back for a result that just says "motion detected"?

[Herta]

Just one message.

[Herta]

"motion detected on your target"

[Herta]

Same message with geraintm.

[Herta]

Where were you going with this, kowa?

[Andante]

Fire, you keep saying your clears might not be clear, what’s that about? Like, are me shirou kow all clear to you or what?
Last I checked, clear meant clear, not “maybe town”

regardless of that, I’m finding it really hard to not see Herta as scum, and I just wanna vote herta, but hey, yall wanna talk! good talk yall!

[Firebringer]

i think i explained pretty explicitly how my role functions and the fact i think u and/or kowah are faking seeing me visit.

[Firebringer]

i don't think this game is penguin/freedom/herta
that just doesn't make sense to me at all.

[Kowahbunga]

I would like to talk to shirou more today.
Hey shirou u get that thing i sent u

I would like to talk to shirou more today.
Hey shirou u get that thing i sent u

Yes i felt ur love for me

I would like to talk to shirou more today.
Hey shirou u get that thing i sent u

Yes i felt ur love for me

did u actually get something last night or is this a shit post.

I didn't get anything I just felt your embrace in that cold green flip night

It was warm, like a firepup

okay i don't need to worry about Shirou anymore methinks.

That makes the game more spicy

So did what Shirou say make you think they got something?

[Freedom]

I just realized that I have no idea if Fire is actually even telling the truth about his role. So I can no longer just assume he was actually loyal. I only know whatever he is is loud.

Freedom, did Fire visit me?

I'm a Watcher but I agree with the first paragraph. We've been clearing people, assuming either scum didn't lie about getting visited or Firebringer actually is Loyal and not trying some gambit.

[Firebringer]

I didn't get anything I just felt your embrace in that cold green flip night

It was warm, like a firepup

[Kowahbunga]

I think after reading what I wanted to read I believe the scum team is either one of the following

Andante, Shirou, Firebringer

or

Freedom, Herta, Penguin

If Fire is telling the truth about being loyal, then he is town cleared to me and if he is confident in his results with Andante and Shirou (which to be honest it doesn't look like he is and I can understand why given it doesn't seem like he gets a confirmation back) then they're all town too because they wouldn't have gotten anything otherwise.

My big hang up in just going full in here is that he was so quick to be cool with both of them but has only doubted the action with me which just feels weird. Like 1575 he goes all in calling Andante and Shirou both town very confidently. But in contrast after 1913, he hasn't given me that same benefit of the doubt.

That said, I feel like faking the loyal thing seems risky, but maybe I'm looking too much into it. If he is scum and he is just loud and he knows everyone will hear him so claiming loyal means nothing other than to make the town he clears feel better about him.

I also don't understand why I wasn't the first one chosen to claim. Like I almost feel set up by him in that regard seeing as I'm fairly certain it was up to him who went first and now he scum reads me for his choice.

It feels weird for it to be as easy as just trusting his three results and solving the game.

One thing that swings me to Fire town is Herta's claim post that just something feels off about them leaving out the loud part. Like I knew they were loud already because they visited me and I was told they visited because they were loud. So to leave it out makes me think the loud was the part they were used to and they got hung up trying to be sure they typed their fakeclaim correctly.

Also to answer your question Herta from 1984 - I was doing that mostly so I could try and fully grasp what all happened last night to see if anything made sense or not made sense. I feel like we have all these powers apparently and we haven't been properly mulling over them and the details to make sure we're not missing something.

[Kowahbunga]

I didn't get anything I just felt your embrace in that cold green flip night

It was warm, like a firepup

Help me understand, because it clearly says "I didn't get anything..." but you knew they did? Help.

[Kowahbunga]

I gotta get to bed. I have more to say but I want to think about it and probably dream about the game to see if something sticks out.

[Firebringer]

I didn't get anything I just felt your embrace in that cold green flip night

It was warm, like a firepup

Help me understand, because it clearly says "I didn't get anything..." but you knew they did? Help.

he claimed he got me in his embrace as in he saw me but didn't receive anything as in not a fruit vendor item.
So while it wasn't explicit "i saw you visit" it definitely wasn't him saying 'ohh yeah i got a fruit last night, that you?" he said he "embraced" me. I thought about pushing for more explicitness but i thought it was pretty clear he actually saw me. maybe he was fishing to see what i was trying to get but i think he saw my action.

[Shirou]

yeah I was hinting at not receiving an item like a fruit from a fruit vendor, but having been "embraced" aka spent the night "together" with firebringer

[Shirou]

i think i was asked by herta to explain why i thought he was scum before even though he has still not replied to me why he thought i was "skitter redux", but ok

i'm also doing this while at workplace because i want to spend my free time elsewhere for now

#loweffort

[Shirou]

it's been awhile and i'm not going to recheck my ISO but i remember initially thinking that gryff was scum and gryff's read on herta/gamma felt informed that there was one scum among them

very early on i thought gamma was also scummy so i didn't pay as much attention to herta but i started to gradually dislike people pilling up on me/klick/andante, i thought it was wagons where it would make sense for scum to be on and i still haven't quite changed my mind on there being scum pushing that group of people at some point in the game

herta and me were scum partners in a micro before against taly, and i think i played d1 here substantially different, on our scum game together i tried from early on to insert control in the thread and for d1 here i mostly shitposted and low efforted without caring how other people saw me.

it's not that i necessarily would expect herta to take that into consideration, it's just that his read on me sounded convenient and it does sound "convenient" today as well. it doesn't feel like he believes i'm scum as much as he wants to wagon if possible, but he didn't vote me initially on d2 and doesn't seem to unpleased to switch votes to a bigger wagon/vote with me if the opportunity arises

tl;dr is that i haven't felt like herta is scum hunting, i have felt like herta has been looking for wagons to sit on

[Shirou]

i had a similar view of kowah but at least there's 1 or 2 kowah posts that give me pause on kowah being scum

herta however just has stuff like "forgetting" it's ELO or so after being told/considering it being Mylo/ELO in the past page

/shrug

i think he's just scum yeah

see ya

[Shirou]

like, i could be way more convincing here and just hardpush to kill herta but i've decided not to

i'll let other people have more responsibility on the final outcome of this game rather than just trying to convince people to follow me yet again

i'll at least not feel bad if we lose then, and i think there's high odds of we just losing

so i could do better but i don't think i should do better in mafia games anymore yeah