Not in the mood to wagon imaginality day 1 as that leads to people doing stupid shitIn post 247, Defective Agency wrote:Spoiler: 1Positioning himself as reasonableIn post 23, imaginality wrote: @BloodB0t, the way that chess game shows pieces in the wrong places is like some demonic incestuous offspring of chess, checkers and time travel. If the intent is to gain advantage by making everyone else's heads ache then job done!
@Drew not sure I'd go as far as policy limming a hydra, but I do like the idea of putting hydras under pressure early as I always find them hard to read.
VOTE: Defective Agency
Spoiler: 2Incredibly safe position to take as scum with the omgus. We're already opposing him, so he just accepts and cements that.In post 102, imaginality wrote: My vote on the hydra was rvs in that I didn't have any reason to vote them based on play (it was page 1!) but motivated in that I dislike playing with hydras. I just find them hard to read (also because I generally don't know the meta of the players in them) plus some of them post too much.
So I figure seeing how they react to a wagon on them could help with reading them plus given the choice between catching a scum solo player and a scum hydra I'd rather the latter.
Never heard of Doctor Drew or the running joke.
I don't see posting chatGPT answers as copying Porkens' gimmick in this particular game (if Porkens does that in other games then it would be if someone does it there).
I am also staggered Defective Agency thought I was being serious with that chatGPT post or in general (until now).I have a hard time believing they genuinely believed that. My vote stays.
Spoiler: 3You could have these thoughts in an MD thread or pre-game. Much easier content to put out than your thoughts on other players.In post 116, imaginality wrote:On that front, some musings:In post 115, Morning Tweet wrote: The subplot where on one side, ChatGPT/Porkens says its suspicious for players to cast doubt on ChatGPT -- and on the other, bloodb0t finds Porkens suspicious for practically assimilatign with the AI, seems notable. I don't like bloodbot's repeated insistence against ChatGPT which feels ultimatley like a distraction to me. Like it mostly goes without saying that ChatGPT isn't exactly sherlock holms yet bloodb0t seems to feel the need to discredit it anyway. Poor learning model
Do you think 96 is a direct neutral chatGPT output or is it
Porkens' own content in chatGPT style (perhaps rephrased by chatGPT), or chatGPT told to argue a specific view?
If it's the latter:
Do you think continuing to mix chatGPT and their own content (if Porkens were to continue to do so) is scummy, towny or NAI?
Bonus thought: compare and contrast playing using chatGPT as support (either for private discussion or for content generation) with playing in a hydra
Not really directed at anyone, just musing.
Spoiler: 4This is an attempt to get us for 'fake townslipping' which is a really superficial and reachy thing to push us for. I hadn't checked the setup or seen anywhere that it was 9/3/1.In post 195, imaginality wrote:This was already clarified earlier in the thread (119). And Defective Agency has been following the thread, so the "how many scums are we thinking" in the post bianco quoted here seems like a deliberate attempt on DA's part to appear uninformed.In post 191, biancospino wrote:Should be 3 and one 3p, at least per the queue post.In post 185, Defective Agency wrote: How many scums are we thinking because if it's 3 I've already found them all
Maybe not but I've got it down to [Dei Ex Machina, imaginality, narrow parking, Menalque, Porkens]
Also, I somewhat disagree with that list. Are Dei there chiefly just because of their KT vote?
PE: god, that rap was awful
So yeah, bit of a scumcase for you Dei Ex Machina.
My vote stays
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Not in the mood to wagon imaginality day 1 as that leads to people doing stupid shitIn post 247, Defective Agency wrote:Spoiler: 1
Spoiler: 2
Spoiler: 3
Spoiler: 4
So yeah, bit of a scumcase for you Dei Ex Machina.
My vote stays
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you could just split the prompts up, it would still retain a good amount of infoIn post 226, KittyTacky wrote:
In practice it is there.In post 174, narrow parking wrote: theoretically speaking there should be no such hard limit on the memory of GPT, since it uses a transformer model blah blah blah. the ~4000 token limit is simply the maximum prompt length for computational/speed processes.
i see what you meanIn post 228, KittyTacky wrote: It's not lazy hunting, sure you COULD read Porkens but it's harder. Thus it's anti-town to obfuscate your play in this manner. What if in another game I posted only in limericks?-
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How so?In post 250, Titus wrote:
Not in the mood to wagon imaginality day 1 as that leads to people doing stupid shitIn post 247, Defective Agency wrote:Spoiler: 1
Spoiler: 2
Spoiler: 3
Spoiler: 4
So yeah, bit of a scumcase for you Dei Ex Machina.
My vote stays
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i don't like this line of questioning... it doesn't seem that arbitraryIn post 224, Dei Ex Machina wrote: Speak of the devil ( )
The choice to include / not include the prompts seems pretty arbitrary? What makes you think so?In post 219, KittyTacky wrote:
imo if he was doing this in good faith he's have included the prompts in the first place.In post 138, biancospino wrote:
I'm not sure that it's true, it's quite plausible that he's trying to get the bot to say what he means it to by manipulating the prompt. In which case the bot would say things in line with Porkens' opinions.In post 137, Menalque wrote: Porkens is basically RPing only more extremely bc he’s not thinking about the game he’s just parroting what the bot says to him
Of course that's why I want Porkens to also post the prompts he's using, instead of just the bot's response
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as town doing a funny including the prompt on every post ruins the fun
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Yeah, no, that's not it, I believe Porkens. Nobody here thinks that AI is a mastermind, and most importantly nobody who read the GD thread could possibly think that it was decent at Mafia stuff, and Porkens surely realizes that. BTW, it was anti-town because it essentially obfuscated who said what, not because it evoked a veneer of authoritativeness.In post 239, Dei Ex Machina wrote: Huh, you're right, looking back it did have some "trust me, I'm a useful AI!"-vibe lines, which I had clearly mostly just tuned out
Do you think that would have actually worked out, though? Like, a few people in this playerlist seem to understand that ChatGPT is unreliable, and I guess the rest have worked it out quite quickly. Not trying to question the fact the posting is a bit anti town, but if that was Porkens's plan it just sounds a bit exotic and liable to fall apart immediately.
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Right, since this keeps being talked about, I'll chime on it. For one thing, if there is some glaring differences I would be interested to know too, and it would also not appropriate to try to put forth self-meta myself, so I will not talk of the content of what is being asked and just focus on the form.In post 246, BloodB0t wrote: On Menalque, I thought asking "Show me where bianco isn't being natural and genuine in 1086" would make more sense. And for some reason specifically asking for 3 posts seemed weird to me. My read on Menalque is mostly based on vibes and that question for me was the tipping point for me to want to articulate it, but I'm not always good at articulating good reasons for my reads even though they can be right while nobody else sees it.
Menalque asked specifically for (3) posts fromherethat would have been out of placethere. Supposedly I'm being more natural here, so the direction seems wrong -- after all, I don't think something may be natural and also not fit the tone, moreso as I don't think I was exceptionally awkward in 1068 (or maybe I was, idk, you tell me). And Blood, btw, is also realizing that and suggesting that looking at posts fromtherethat would be offhereworks better.-
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Porkens is a smart player, and knows there are other smart players in the game. I don't think the presence or absence of the prompts is AI. I can see how switching to using them in response to pressure could be seen as suspicious but from what I saw it was less pressure, more just someone asking them to? I think the people saying that it's a suspicious shift are off the mark.
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In other news, Defective Agency's case against me is junk.
Spoiler 1 - I'm reasonable. See my play in whatever other games you like. I don't need to make extra effort to try to look reasonable.
Spoiler 2 - classic projection considering they omgussed me
Spoiler 3 - how could I have known how Porkens would post or asked others if it was AI pre-game? If you mean just the bonus thought, it was clearly labelled as such so I accept that paragraph wasn't game advancing content but it was sparked by the parallel discussion of hydras and chatGPT.
Spoiler 4 - "I hadn't checked the setup or seen anywhere that it was 9/3/1" - it was mentioned earlier in the game thread, are you saying you weren't reading the game thread?
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@Drew last game Titus and I were lovers and she claimed masons (effectively) when I came under pressure early D1
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I like Doctor Drew and Bloodb0t for town.
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It strikes me that Titus's reason for not wagoning me could come from scum looking to stay off a town wagon while happy to see it continue (given I don't think people would see her reason for staying off the wagon as a defence of me).
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Hey imag!
What are your reads at rn?
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I was hoping for some early wagon pressure but that didn't happen.In post 217, Dei Ex Machina wrote:
How is pressuring Defective Agency going for you? Do you still want your vote there?
Their comment on page 6 or so about my response to them being +++scum left me expecting something better than the case they eventually coughed up. It's flimsy and I have no stats to back this up but feel like hydrae are less likely to tunnel than solo players so therefore it's more likely to be scum motivated. Also possible after games like the last one furtive and I were both in (xyzzy's game) he sees me as an easy D1 mislim candidate which could be a reason for them to be targeting me.
So yeah I'm happy with where my vote is.
Made me read them more as town to be honest. The first paragraph of their response felt like a believable towny thought process to me. Their theory about me deflecting was wrong and annoying hence why I pushed back on it, but felt more like the self-confirming thought process townies fall into sometimes than a deliberate scum misrep.In post 217, Dei Ex Machina wrote:In post 197, imaginality wrote:
I hardly think a couple of people questioning why I voted a hydra on page 1 is 'heat'. Also, for you to frame it as 'deflection' and imply it's scummy presupposes I'm scum. For me as town, it's just me trying to scumhunt and pointing out something I found suspect. I bet if I had instead just focused on the hydra stuff you'd've said I'm being defensive instead of scumhunting enough lol.In post 163, Doctor Drew wrote:
As I was typing up my response it popped into my head about them discrediting me, I do kinda realize that it was probably more them poking and prodding since it all came to be from me misreading Nyxs post. I got a bit angry about it initially, but let it go when I thought about it since I didn't think it was coming from a scum mindset.In post 160, imaginality wrote: My point is it was a bit of a leap on your part to assume biancospino was trying to make you look like you were trying to 'discredit' Nyx given your back and forth with Nyx was about colour choices rather than anything substantive. And that if you really believed biancospino was trying to do that you would be focused on biancospino's scumminess rather than on how they're making you look. Whereas you just said it but didn't follow up further on it.
But, one thing I don't understand is why just as you get heat on yourself you are trying to deflect and just trying to find someone to take the heat off of you.
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Town leans:
Doctor Drew, Dei Ex Machina, Bloodb0t
Menalque
Porkens
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biancospino, Morning Tweet
Need more info:
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Everyone really (no one has done anything super obvscum or obvtown yet)
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I'm interested to know if there are any reads you think I'm way off base on.
How much consensus / differing opinions is there among your heads readswise?"holy shit this entire time i thought imaginalitys profile was a purple seahorse" - camelCasedSnivy-
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Why Titus specifically? She hasn't really done much yet. Notably, she was into hopping wagons, but not intoIn post 260, imaginality wrote:
Town leans:
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I'm not sure exactly why did she need to announce that instead of just not voting there? Since you have her in your red reads, are you figuring she was just trying to distance from a town wagon to look better after your flip in case the wagon was to go through?In post 250, Titus wrote:Spoiler:
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Oh he did get prodded. [/v]unvote[/v]
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i lowkey forgot this game existed. just got prodded.
tldr; im a good prompt engineer for chatgpt, so if you want chatgpt to say anything, please tell me to do so, i can do it for u.
also u can find mafia by using specific parameters. u have to basically compose an algorithem for it to find mafia, by using percentages and specific criteria, u can find mafia lol . there is some subjectiviety, but if there is usually consensus on a specific person, then that subjectivity turns into possible criteria for person-
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also can anyone give me a tldr on the game i dont feel like reading-
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also im pretty sure people who use chatgpt to follow a specific adgenda is 89 percent likely to be mafia. its just an excuse to wifom and openwolf fwiw
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also looking back at the five pages of the game, im scumleaning porkens . i dont want to put my full scumcase on them yet but a lot of people who are townreading them is eh.
porkens has provided nothing useful to the game so far and just looks like mafia fluffposting, they are probably being townred because their pargraphs look like they are contributing
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just looked at the iso, im voting this
VOTE: Porkens
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