Mini 698 - Georgetown Mafia - Game over

[MiteyMouse]

Meanwhile... Mitey, I don't think you have much of a case against Ceph, but I do dislike the dangerous defense vote he's made.

I know....I just did a quick read and anwsered the question to me. I will hopefully,have time to do a better read soon and post my thoughts. I'm a bit concerned about SC's doctor claim...and more specifically, if I believe it. I'm never sure about doctor claims as, they are always so hard to back up. That being said, I don't think it wpould be wise to vote for someone claiming doctor without a counter claim and then try to decide which is the real doctor. Until that happens, my vote is staying far away from SC!

[Apothecary]

Wait, for people claiming Doctor, is there actually a doctor role to claim?
I'm confused as at the beginning, it doesn't specifically if there are any special roles in this game.

[LlamaFluff]

Doctor here.

And now the feeling of being paranoid sets in. Any breadcrumbs?

unvote

to prevent a quick hammer

[Ythill]

Wait, for people claiming Doctor, is there actually a doctor role to claim?
I'm confused as at the beginning, it doesn't specifically if there are any special roles in this game.

I didn't look at your post total until just now. All of a sudden 2+2=4.

The set-up is not explicit, but left to deduction. Trying to determine the truth of SC's claim is going to be problematic for now, but we can prove or disprove it over time if he isn't NKed.

I'll not abide by lynching a claimed doc on D1, nor will many others, which is one reason it's such a common claim. But I daresay that the meta of the doc-fake-claim is flawed in that it is easy to determine before endgame. For now, let's just move on before some fool counter-claims.

Anyone up for an Atlas wagon?

[Atlas]

Can't make a full post now because I'm about to leave, but I'm not 100% sold on the claim mainly because of what Ythill said. I do think we should avoid lynching him today, ofc.

[Zeppo007]

Bah! I hate Doc claims in most any situation. If you are a pro-town player and are the doc I would rather have someone lie in this situation and claim Vanilla and try and talk their way out of a lynch because claiming doc is a death sentence either way you look at it. Either you are gonna be NK'd or Lynched later on because the town believes you are lying.

My vote is staying where it is until I start hearing SC defend himself.

[Elmo]

That is like the laziest fakeclaim ever. E- for effort.

Unvote

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So I wonder what the next scumbag to get run up will fakeclaim? PLACE BETS NOW.

[StrangerCoug]

Wait, for people claiming Doctor, is there actually a doctor role to claim?
I'm confused as at the beginning, it doesn't specifically if there are any special roles in this game.

Ythill has it covered, but in a closed setup, the only roles you know in advance are your own and any others the mod tells you about in your role PM. This is something that is best taken to Mafia Discussion, however.

[Ythill]

Zep, are you an alt? The experience level apparent in your stated opinion does not match your post count. Please explain.

[Apothecary]

Personally, I think all doctor claims are to be viewed with UTMOST suspicion. If that person lives thorugh the night, and there was a kill, I'd be a bit suspicious...

[Ythill]

If that person lives thorugh the night, and there was a kill, I'd be a bit suspicious...

Which is why mafiosos often leave the claimed-doc alive for a night or two. As a mobster, once you know who the doc is, it becomes a lot easier to guess who he'll protect. Or just RB him.

As the field narrows, however, a fake-doc will eventually be revealed by the NK choices. That's if someone doesn't track/investigate/NK/role-cop him first.

We should move on. There's no point in discussing this

ad nauseum

right now. We need another wagon or three to build the record for tomorrow.

[Cephrir]

Sigh. I am getting really sick of doc claims.

Meanwhile... Mitey, I don't think you have much of a case against Ceph, but I do dislike the dangerous defense vote he's made.

Huh?

You know, the whole I'm-not-scummy-look-at-him thing in your last post. I don't know that I feel it's a scumtell, but I certainly don't think it helps the town.

Quickly reasoned votes are okay. Not @ L-1 though.

Meh. The two things really weren't connected. I see where you're coming from though.

Unvote

, and dammit. I don't believe SC at all but it's still not a good plan to lynch him.

[Zeppo007]

not an Alt Ythill. I am a new player but my personal views on doc claims are laid out in my previous post. We had a doc claim fiasco in another game I am playing and it got me thinking about doc claims in general and that's where that post comes from.

[Apothecary]

Of course, we'd never know if there was a doctor in this set up unless the doctor died, or if there was a cop in the setup.

[MacavityLock]

My post got et by "over quota". Arg.

Upshot: I'm fine with avoiding an SC lynch today. If SC survives a night or two, I'm sure we can, but I'm not sure right now how to 100% deduce whether SC is lying or not without outing doc or another power role. Leave that discussion for tomorrow, depending on whether he's alive or not?

I should

Unvote Apoth

. He's been better as of late, but I'm going to keep an eye out for reversion to lurking.

I still kind of like an MM-wagon, but I'm not sure how SC-doc or SC-scum (as opposed to SC-complete unknown) would change that. I probably need to re-read before re-placing a vote somewhere.

[Corvuus]

huh. interesting. Doc claims are always interesting.

unvote

I agree that a D1 lynch of a claimed doc is a horrible idea... but I want to ask SC, and I respectfully ask everyone else that only SC answers (even if you think my questions stupid/unfair).

SC:

Did you try to 'breadcrumb' or let anyone know you are a doc in your posts?

Would you play a doc role differently than a normal townie role?

What do you wish you had done differently in this game before Primate replaced.

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I've been reading the exchange between Atlas and Ythill, and other posts, but it is still a fair amount of intimidating text. I do think Ythill has some valid points in terms of the timing of certain actions, but I will try to state things in my own words before voting again.

Corvuus

[StrangerCoug]

Did you try to 'breadcrumb' or let anyone know you are a doc in your posts?

No.

Would you play a doc role differently than a normal townie role?

No.

What do you wish you had done differently in this game before Primate replaced.

I wish I questioned Primate more in an attempt to get more information out of him.

[Apothecary]

Alright then. I don't believe SC's claim. But I don't believe he's a scum either, but a townie hoping that the claim will shield him from the lynch.

I am however concerned with Ythill concentrating on Atlas. It just seems to be a bit odd how he wants more people to vote him, when I believe there are people who need more pressure.

[MacavityLock]

Alright then. I don't believe SC's claim. But I don't believe he's a scum either, but a townie hoping that the claim will shield him from the lynch.

WHAT? This is utter lose. What benefit would vanilla (or other town power) have to gain by avoiding a lynch by claiming doc? It would risk a doc counter-claim (bad for town), an auto-town lynch (aka Lynch all Liars, bad for town), and any number of consequences that would be antithetical to a townie's win condition.

FoS: Apoth

. I'm not excited to have anybody who thinks like this in a game. I'm not sure if a townie would think like this at all, though maybe that comes back to his semi-newb status. Apoth, if you're town, please don't go fake-claiming power to avoid a lynch. That's really bad mojo.

[StrangerCoug]

Alright then. I don't believe SC's claim. But I don't believe he's a scum either, but a townie hoping that the claim will shield him from the lynch.

WHAT? This is utter lose. What benefit would vanilla (or other town power) have to gain by avoiding a lynch by claiming doc? It would risk a doc counter-claim (bad for town), an auto-town lynch (aka Lynch all Liars, bad for town), and any number of consequences that would be antithetical to a townie's win condition.

FoS: Apoth

. I'm not excited to have anybody who thinks like this in a game. I'm not sure if a townie would think like this at all, though maybe that comes back to his semi-newb status. Apoth, if you're town, please don't go fake-claiming power to avoid a lynch. That's really bad mojo.

Quoted for truth, and the only situation I can think of where town would fakeclaim is Kokusho's gambit, which involves neither a doc nor a doc claim.

Vote: Apothecary

[LlamaFluff]

Rereading... I like Apoc a little more then I did to start so am not too sure anymore, and am not about to lynch a doctor D1.

[Ythill]

I am however concerned with Ythill concentrating on Atlas. It just seems to be a bit odd how he wants more people to vote him, when I believe there are people who need more pressure.

Wait... I'm supposed to vote based on your beliefs, not mine? How does differing from the pack make me scummy? Chances are, if there's a D1 majority, there's scum in it.

Your suspicion seems ingenuous and your stance on SC's claim is just plain wrong.

unvote; vote Apothecary

Let's see where this leads...

[LlamaFluff]

I am however concerned with Ythill concentrating on Atlas. It just seems to be a bit odd how he wants more people to vote him, when I believe there are people who need more pressure.

Wait... I'm supposed to vote based on your beliefs, not mine? How does differing from the pack make me scummy? Chances are, if there's a D1 majority, there's scum in it.

Your suspicion seems ingenuous and your stance on SC's claim is just plain wrong.

unvote; vote Apothecary

Let's see where this leads...

This is a bigger tell then the Atlas case? Just seems like a pretty quick swing, especially since Apoc had two other votes on him earlier.

Still reading, should have a vote by the end of the weekend

[MacavityLock]

After some thought, I'm going to upgrade my FoS to a

Vote: Apoth

. I'd very much like to hear your explanation of your belief that SC is townie fake-claiming. What causes you to think he's a townie as opposed to scum? What causes you to think that he's not doc? What would SC have to gain by townie fake-claiming?

[Ythill]

This is a bigger tell then the Atlas case?

No, but few people have shown interest in Atlas so I have no problem setting him on the back burner for the moment.

Also, remember that Rx was already on my suspect list from before.