Micro 1069: Korina Runs Another GIM [Finale]

[Radical Rat]

welcome to the aether

will perform a catch up shortly

Welcome aboard, are you scum?

[MegAzumarill]

Reflected on this for a while.

If we are roleblocking tonight I think we should lim doctor drew still. The most information we can actually get on their role if it's a true claim is a clear in me.....in night 3.

Also this is a Korina GrandI game and drew claimed a version of neighborizer that doesn't really exist (although they retconned it later) Where their target would be inclined to believe their town and would be safer from lims. Smells like a possible if not likely CL. Even if not CL mafia neighborizer isn't unreasonable here as mafia actually wants to keep me alive.

[MegAzumarill]

The way the claim came about really didn't sit right with me, and I don't value keeping a scummy player alive for 2 elims to confirm they have a neighborizer role or not when we could be facing down elo day 3

[MegAzumarill]

Looker wagon has no resistance and I don't really see what there is to spot the momentum shift besides scum influence.

[Radical Rat]

What does CL mean here?

[MegAzumarill]

Cult leader

[TemporalLich]

page 1 thoughts:

we have an announcement... and a quick check of the GIM thread tells me that announcement is full of chaos

furtiveglance didn't have a good opening at all...

page 2 thoughts:

we have a global roleblocker claim in 33... interesting and probably true

and E-1 that quickly is pretty fast but also reminds me of my astral roles game

44 isn't scummy but I'd still say furtiveglance is very scummy as of now

Looker has town vibes in 46



not voting as of now as I haven't caught up much



pedit: I'm not scum as far as I'm aware, but I can cause chaos regardless lol.

[MegAzumarill]

I can get into detail but I think a lot of what drew was saying makes more sense contextualized as knowing I would join their team after (plus wouldnt cult want a framer over say, a doctor or random town role, isn't that justifying who they'd want to recruit anyway?)

[MegAzumarill]

In the case we do elim drew, I'd need a new target

Furtive seems good then, if anyone gets a result on them we'd know they are evil regardless.

[Radical Rat]

I still don't think eliminating Drew's the play today.

Even if he's cult, he can be scum's problem for now.

[MegAzumarill]

Scum doesn't care about cult, town does.

[MegAzumarill]

Cult can't recruit groupscum after all

[Radical Rat]

No, but a growing faction of "Town" who are immune to doubting each other is a pretty big threat to scum's day plans.

[Nono]

meg the smartest pokemon),, true that doc role draws too many parallels to cult,, however thinking, most likely possibilities are cult/town,, assuming scum faction exists, they don’t know which (will assume worst case scenario = town),, means both get shot by scum, is it worth it? (the theory is no)

[Nono]

plus drew frame good, maybe he dies anyway so free-frameless day x)

[Nono]

however, assuming cult,, -1 town, +1 scum at night due to ability,,,,,

thinking?nono be back

[Doctor Drew]

Meg, basically going into the game I wanted to neighbor you, Gamma, or Furtive. This was definitely selfish, I like Furtives personality so it would be a fun hood I would assume, I have played the most with Gamma(and as said have trouble reading her) so made sense to me to have a one on one with her(we have a bit of a history with neighborhoods, so hoping they would get a laugh out of being neighbored by me again lol), and as I have said this game and Citadel Meg, you really understand mechanics and seem like such a smart player.

So then with me at e-2, and Furtive really pushing for more votes on me, and you make your claim I felt like it was the best time to kinda claim my role, but maimly so I could potentially clear you, or if I die out you as scum. I tried being vague so scum couldn't meddle in it and hazy the results of it.

But now here we are, and yes I potentially claimed too early or wasn't vague enough, I know I fucked that up. Scum could easily just kill me, so obviously the gobal roleblock would be the best on paper.

I was thinking earlier it maybe should depend on the flip today? Like I said I am not cleared, just my role will be cleared. I don't want to say too much why I believe that, but I feel town flip no RB, scum flip RB.

[TemporalLich]

page 3 thoughts:

50 sorta feels like a towny explanation to me

56 feels like a good idea, super early massclaim only benefits the scum

there is a lot of setup spec on page 3, which is NAI (72 is a great post but it is still NAI)

page 4 thoughts:

setup spec continues, though Radical Rat seems to be towny in post 82

95 is a very towny post, the reads have town mindset

96 is a bit strange considering furtiveglance's opening

page 5 thoughts:

Aeronaut's opening seems okay I guess, though 108 is a strange read so I don't feel that's townread worthy.

119 is a great push, yeah I would have wanted to push there as well

pedit:

cult could easily shred the town and even dismantle the setup spec that could have given us an effective IC... so yeah cults are bad news but they aren't as bad as astral demons

[MegAzumarill]

No, but a growing faction of "Town" who are immune to doubting each other is a pretty big threat to scum's day plans.

Not really if scum have killing power.
So Mafia/Werewolf/Serial killer all stand to gain there while town is facing a -1 member +1 enemy which is basically 2 kills strong.

[MegAzumarill]

meg the smartest pokemon),, true that doc role draws too many parallels to cult,, however thinking, most likely possibilities are cult/town,, assuming scum faction exists, they don’t know which (will assume worst case scenario = town),, means both get shot by scum, is it worth it? (the theory is no)

Most likely possibilities really can't be determined, but if they could be it would look something like this:

There are werewolf, alien, serial killer, mafia, mod choice, and town neighborizers. (Probably more options as well)
Cult always have the ability to neighborize built into their faction as well.
All of these can easily fake being drew's role if true with basically perfect mimicry. Then there's chances of him not even being a neighborizer and just fakeclaiming in general since he doesn't have to produce results until N2 and then he'd be in a situation where he could be winning at that point, especially if there are pirates bloating the numbers of nontown into 1 group.

Also nothing about my role claim should have prompted his claim. Our roles don't interact. Why does town!drew out himself there for no reason. There is no actual justification of claiming it when i claimed other than he wanted to protect his slot by trying to produce a clear.

I think that the way Drew handled their claim is unlikely to come from town, and more likely to come from cult. (Mostly the part about me being able to confirm him, which we now know to be a

lie.

)

He explicitly lied about his role claim and backtracked when pushed on it. That is the

second

lie about the claim.

I also haven't been liking the rest of his play today for town outside of it, but this feels like it flips scum.

If you want to justify keeping alive Drew, justify it for play reasons. There is no mech reason to let the slot live over any other slot.

[MegAzumarill]

I am incredibly skeptical of Drew's claim. It feels like the sort of claim scum make when pressured to claim something and just deciding to latch onto my role.

If you're going to claim you can clear us both, I'd like a fullclaim.

Because just claiming to be able to clear 2 slots nebulously feels only beneficial to scum aiming their nk if true.

I can clear myself, kinda.

This is a lot of risk for a lot of reward. Best case scenario doesn't fully clear me, tbf(mechanically speaking at least)

And I am not latching onto your role, just making sure you are telling the full truth, it will be very clear why I would want to announce who I can clear.

Yes I know, requires some trust, but I am not investigative per se, this could all backfire on me if my instincts are incorrect here.

I will not full claim at this point because it doesn't benefit town, yes I am being vague on purpose.

[Doctor Drew]

Yes, kinda is me being dead if who I try to neighbor is scum. Why not highlight the very next sentence as well when I say there is a lot of risk as well....yup that risk is you guessed it, me being dead.

Also, I said in that same post I was purposely being vague.

[Doctor Drew]

And I only said you could confirm my role, not my alignment.

Now you are just straight up lying.

[MegAzumarill]

A clear is explicitly for alignments.

[MegAzumarill]

If you can clear yourself, you are saying you can be proven as town with reasonable certainty.