Newbie 2113 - Shea it ain't So! | Game Over!

[skitter30]

Ok but the slot was getting replaced and the replacement hadnt posted yet - why would voting them at that point help?

And do you have any reada you'd like to share?

[Dionysus]

Ok but the slot was getting replaced and the replacement hadnt posted yet - why would voting them at that point help?

And do you have any reada you'd like to share?

it was just to generate a discussion. Something I think was successful. But I fail to see what is scummy about it? Like what would the scum motivation even be there?

I dismissed the scumread on you being kind of overzealous on me but I'm reevaluating that now tbh. I haven't been able to post anything this game without you suggesting it is scummy.

[skitter30]

I don't know why you voted there, it doesnt make sense as a town vote at that time, esp. since you don't seem to have other scumreads ...

But i am willing to acknowledge that perhaps i am tunneled and just viewing everything you do in a negative light rn

VOTE: patchwork

I'll take a break and see how i feel abt your slot like tom or something

[Black]

I find skitters honesty and willingness to acknowledge they might be tunneling as pro-town but I feel like it could also be a wolf backing off of a poor case with no traction

Either way I think we should explore a patchwork wagon

VOTE: patchwork

(e-2 btw)

[Dionysus]

I don't know why you voted there, it doesnt make sense as a town vote at that time, esp. since you don't seem to have other scumreads ...

We're still very early in the game. We might be out of rvs but we are still at a stage where a vote on an absent slot can be helpful. I don't know what is so hard to understand about that. I mean I unvote as soon as they posted.

[KawaiiKame]

Why we voting Patches?

[Herta]

I don't think voting an absent slot is per se scummy, but I will need to read for context in this case. I actually have a lot of reading to catch up on.

I'm having a procedure done this week so will try when I can.

vla through 26 February

[Empathice]

VOTE: Dionysus

Talk me through this read

Creating a reason for voting someone after being questioned about your vote. If you were town and actually hunting, you would not presuppose that something about Herta is scummy when questioned.

There would be a chance that you conflated a read on Herta with your RVS vote, however that is not what you said. You said you looked for a read on them after you were questioned.

I Don't believe TWTBAW (Too Wolfy To Be A Wolf) applies in this case either IMO.

I've already said it was a dumb mistake so I don't wanna get bogged down on it.

I need more from herta and hadrian.

Except in post #65 you say that you formed your read on Herta only when questioned on your vote. Giving your existing read on Herta when question about a RVS vote is certainly believable, but I can't see you, as town,

forcing

a scum read on Herta when questioned about your RVS vote.

[skitter30]

I had a thought that maybe empathice/dio could be partners but maybe empathice is town

[KawaiiKame]

maybe empathice/dio could be partners

Why empath/dio?

[patchwork]

Sorry everyone, I can't read up tonight but just posting to say I'm here and I don't really like either of the leading wagons so can we do Patch?

Thanks.

cringe

[patchwork]

i wanna ask hadrian what his favorite pokemon is but idk if it would be fluffpost

Articuno

actually... that's not bad! articuno is cool

[patchwork]

lol am i seriously at e-2
so far the only reasons are "thought herta/kawaii were partnered" and "fluffposting in rvs" and both of them are pretty sad
though to be fair the tr reasons are just as sad

[Empathice]

lol am i seriously at e-2
so far the only reasons are "thought herta/kawaii were partnered" and "fluffposting in rvs" and both of them are pretty sad
though to be fair the tr reasons are just as sad

The fluffposting accusations would

maybe

vanish if you actually posted a readslist like you said.

[KawaiiKame]

I'm having a procedure

Hope the procedure goes well

[patchwork]

lol am i seriously at e-2
so far the only reasons are "thought herta/kawaii were partnered" and "fluffposting in rvs" and both of them are pretty sad
though to be fair the tr reasons are just as sad

The fluffposting accusations would

maybe

vanish if you actually posted a readslist like you said.

see, i'd do that, but i really don't have the time to actually analyze everyone's play. soon doesn't mean immediately, it means soon for a reason.
also, the fluffposting accusations are pretty dumb because last time i checked, someone voted me for a "fluffy entrance"... i entered in rvs.

[skitter30]

I'm having a procedure

Hope the procedure goes well

:up:

[Herta]

I don't really find dionysus scummy. Maybe a bit townie for admitting a mistake like that but maybe just barely.

[Herta]

I'm having a procedure

Hope the procedure goes well

I'm having a procedure

Hope the procedure goes well

Thank you!!!

[Herta]

ok just gonna post some questions so we can get some knowledge about the players

1 - pronouns? (some people don't have them listed)
2 - prior experience with mafia? (including derivatives of mafia)
3 - are you gay?

1 - they/them
2 - played on discord and did mafia.gg during the pandemic, mostly fell out of mafia post-2021. decently experienced though, i know most of the terms.
3 - yes

Sorry. I'm not answering these.

When you were playing did you typically pose questionnaires? Did it increase your read accuracy?

[Herta]

also readlist coming soon

Why announce ?

[Dionysus]

Doing a full re-read while the thread is still short and some thoughts as I go.

#4 - skitter puts RVS vote on me. I didn't think much of it at the time for obvious reasons, but reading their ISO it is the start of a consistent push from.... not much
#20 - Herta's entrance which I think is scummy (completely nothing post and then disappears)
#22 and #28- skitter continuing their push on me. Kawaii answered the reason they were voting Black was because Black voted herta. Skitter tries to have this logic applied to me for also voting herta. Note that at this point I hadn't made my mistake over the motivation for my vote on herta
#29 - patchwork's entrance (not linking to all 3 posts but this is the first). Idk what this posts is in reference too but it is followed with a post asking for personal details of players that aren't relevant and also regurgitating a question that was already asked on page 1. Initially townread them for this because I think it was too weird an intro for scum but I've been told this is too dumb a reason to tr someone so these posts (out of context) are now null to me.
#34 - Up until this point there is a weird thing about people voting herta, kawaii explains here that the vote on Black for this was down to their stated reasons. Kawaii why didn't you just say this initially?
#41 - kawaii picks up on my mistake
#50 - BBT rejoins the fray to say I'm scummy for.... reasons. Doesn't feel based on the discussion earlier about the mistaken reasons for voting herta. The page ends with BBT tring me (or not sring me) off the back off it because my explanation was so bad (lol)
#67 - skitter is not convinced
#81 - I post my tr on patchwork. Get pushback from both skitter #85 and patchwork themselves #88
#93 - skitter explains the sr on patchwork being over their vote on kawaii
#94 - patch explains it's because they think kawaii was buddying. Unclear what is buddying about their vote on Black being because they voted Herta? Although they admit this is silly reasoning and later that buddying is the incorrect term
#107 - A post from patchwork that I would call buddying of kawaii
#111 - hadrian returns with a tr on patch and BBT and a bad vibe on skitter
#117 - after a bit of a nudge, skitter finally votes me after a lot of finger pointing
#120 - black posts some good analysis which I think comes from a town mindset even if I don't necessarily agree with it all
#131 - I *do* agree with what is posted here, though. I have come undone as town in previous games over stupid stuff that has happened in RVS. I have witnessed other town players come undone over stupid RVS stuff. I have myself tunnelled on town players over stupid RVS stuff. This is why I don't love the stage (which skitter knows). But it's not for me to tell others how to play the game!

Skitter - seems to be a bit tunnelled here, not sure if overzealous townie or opportunistic scum, but I will see how she interacts with others.
patch - leaning scum now. their contributions after their intro haven't been great and I don't get the sense they are actually trying to find scum.
Herta - Hope everything goes ok with your procedure! But in terms of the game you will probably be a big null to me until we get more from them so I hope they're town
Empathice - Really like this slot. Only 9 posts so far but their contributions already feel much more helpful for town than some of the more active posters
kawaii - reading through their ISO in isolation, there is a lot of asking others questions about why they have done something or what they mean, but very little of their own thoughts. Not great for the poster with the second highest post count
black - townread, thoughtful analysis which feels likeit comes from a town mindset
BBT - null at this point. Don't know one way or another
hadrian - null. need much more

Town read

Empathice
Black

Lean town

Null

Herta
BBT
Hadrian

Lean scum

Skitter

Scum read

Kawaii

Too many nulls for my liking scumleaning skitter for now because they came out against a vote on kawaii when from what I can see kawaii is a pretty good bw to start with.

VOTE: kawaii

Mod Note: Fixed post tag

[Dionysus]

Urgh mod can you pls fix that post tag

[Thestatusquo]

If you'd like me to fix a tag please pm me exactly which tag you want fixed and in which post

[Black]

I like this analysis by Dio. Posts like this with a summary of the game accompanied by thoughts as well as a full reads list always ping me as town. Wolves are more than capable of these types of posts but they can easily talk themselves into a corner by being so open early on. My only issue is that a couple of his reads (skitter, patchwork) seem to mimic my own but I don't necessarily find this scummy, just notable. Also I think kawaii just might be newtown. That's the vibes I'm getting so far at least