Newbie 2111 - Know Your Skittles! (Game Over)

[catboi]

2. catboi is self-admittedly a really good scum player. Given that the vibe of the thread went from town patting themselves on the back going "gg we caught Weuler/Elements" to a wall warzone where suddenly Human/furtive and Human/Weuler are viable pairs it's twigging my scum radar. I think catboi is a good enough scum player that I'd rather trust the reads I developed before they replaced in instead of risking getting sheeped, at least until those reads are proven wrong

it's annoying to get this treatment but I suppose I brought it on myself by doing that

I've come around to it being probably weuler/human though but I don't regret forcing a little bit of interaction to produce more content

[furtiveglance]

I don't really like Human's panicking before the lim yesterday. They have been solidly sitting on my townlist for some time, but that might need to change. I made the mistake of strongly townreading scum in my last game

also I guess looking at this now it's very awkward - it's gesturing toward suspecting human rather than actually re-evaluating him or anything and like, shrug, I could see it as distancing

flashback to when I offered Human townpoints for hammering Weuler and he just acted confused

[furtiveglance]

Right now my current solve is pretty much the same as before but with a minor difference because the original didn't really care much beyond Weuler/catboi and Human/furtive scumteams:

1) Flip Weuler
2ai) If Weuler flips scum, flip catboi
2aii) If catboi flips town, flip Human
2b) If Weuler flips town, flip a Human/furtive scumteam

Reason I'd rather not flip Human or furtive first is twofold:

1. Human/furtive is the only non-Weuler scumteam I have so testing that first is optimal
2.

catboi is self-admittedly a really good scum player.

Given that the vibe of the thread went from town patting themselves on the back going "gg we caught Weuler/Elements" to a wall warzone where suddenly Human/furtive and Human/Weuler are viable pairs it's twigging my scum radar. I think catboi is a good enough scum player that I'd rather trust the reads I developed before they replaced in instead of risking getting sheeped, at least until those reads are proven wrong

Python, are you an alt? I don't recall catboi bragging about being good at scum this game.

[Black]

I just want to say that if it is Human/Weuler then Aureal should get MVP

Okay, I've solved, it's Human and Weuler. GG all, especially Taly and Human Sequencer.

I don't know what to say here

Like what if Aureal was just right here? Why did this solve leave Human speechless?

I have some time to go through the thread rn so I'm going to try to get a fresh perspective

Page 9 is just weird. Weuler omgus votes Aureal for "solving" him/Human and Human then votes for Weuler on page 10 saying "there isn't anyone more suspicious to me right now" even though he tr'd Weuler just a few pages before this?

It feels like I'm looking at these early interactions with the idea that Weuler/Human could definitely be wolves together and I'm not sure if that is making these things look scummy or if they just are

[Human]

Conversation is active won’t hammer yet but
UNVOTE: Catboi

[usesPython]

Okay I'm done messing up the kitchen but I'll wait for people to check in and say if they're okay with moving the day forward

If I can trust people to vote correctly in ELO I'm ok with either a Human or Weuler elim today, given that the only scumteams I consider possible right now are Weuler/catboi, Human/furtive, Weuler/Human. Still need to check what town are likely to vote if we flip a town!Human today before I commit to a Human elim though

Python, are you an alt? I don't recall catboi bragging about being good at scum this game.

I was reading their past games, mostly taking it from their Mafia PT in Newbie 2104

[Black]

If Human flips town then it's probably just Weuler/Cat right? It would make sense for wolf!cat to try to distance here and make sure Human flips after Weuler

The Cat flipflop here is completely throwing me off. They had a whole towncase of Weuler and went through the game in-depth, now suddenly a couple of interactions with Human (some of which were already brought up earlier) is enough to turn it all around?

[catboi]

The Cat flipflop here is completely throwing me off. They had a whole towncase of Weuler and went through the game in-depth, now suddenly a couple of interactions with Human (some of which were already brought up earlier) is enough to turn it all around?

It's not purely that. I would say in part it's prompted by two things:

1. Weuler's response to me coming in was underwhelming and gave me the vibe he might be buddying up to me

2. In the process of going onn on furtive and arguing with him I got the sense of

ah crap, maybe he really believes what he's saying

. This is very hard to explain and it's kind of different from the logic-based play I was leaning on earlier but it hails back to my origins, in live chat mafia. In that setting the game was very fast paced and based around live interactions. Sometimes I would go off on someone and in the process of arguing come to realize they were town. And that's kind of what happened here with regard to furtive's responses. It's possible I'm a sucker who backed down too easily but I got the feeling he was being genuine with what he said, if he fooled me on that good job I guess. But I didn't get the sense he was worried I was clawing away the game from him.

[catboi]

*going off EBWOP

[Black]

2. In the process of going onn on furtive and arguing with him I got the sense of

ah crap, maybe he really believes what he's saying

. This is very hard to explain and it's kind of different from the logic-based play I was leaning on earlier but it hails back to my origins, in live chat mafia. In that setting the game was very fast paced and based around live interactions. Sometimes I would go off on someone and in the process of arguing come to realize they were town. And that's kind of what happened here with regard to furtive's responses. It's possible I'm a sucker who backed down too easily but I got the feeling he was being genuine with what he said, if he fooled me on that good job I guess. But I didn't get the sense he was worried I was clawing away the game from him.

This makes a lot of sense tbh. I can't be sure this actually went down in your brain or not but I do understand your perspective here

[Aureal]

the immediate 180 from weuler makes me nervous although it can come from town, I get scared of playing into scum's hands when something like that happens. I probably took the wrong approach to Weuler on entry though, should have waited to directly interact before stating a read but can't really do a lot about that now

COVID induced nap brain says this is performative hand wringing about Weuler doing what you want.

Hi there's other posts

Maybe I can read

Zzzz

[catboi]

Okay I'm done messing up the kitchen but I'll wait for people to check in and say if they're okay with moving the day forward

If I can trust people to vote correctly in ELO I'm ok with either a Human or Weuler elim today, given that the only scumteams I consider possible right now are Weuler/catboi, Human/furtive, Weuler/Human. Still need to check what town are likely to vote if we flip a town!Human today before I commit to a Human elim though

Python, are you an alt? I don't recall catboi bragging about being good at scum this game.

I was reading their past games, mostly taking it from their Mafia PT in Newbie 2104

I'm relatively okay with voting Weuler now. I don't think it'd be good for me to stand in the way of town consensus there especially given I now think it's possible he flips scum.


And I'm flattered you looked into my past games~

You might want to check some of the newbie games I replaced in for a better reference for my play here though, I've replaced into my fair share of newbies

[catboi]

the immediate 180 from weuler makes me nervous although it can come from town, I get scared of playing into scum's hands when something like that happens. I probably took the wrong approach to Weuler on entry though, should have waited to directly interact before stating a read but can't really do a lot about that now

COVID induced nap brain says this is performative hand wringing about Weuler doing what you want.

Hi there's other posts

Maybe I can read

Zzzz

Feel free to think that, I guess?

[usesPython]

COVID induced nap brain says this is performative hand wringing about Weuler doing what you want.

Hi there's other posts

Maybe I can read

Zzzz

Do you need more time to read and catch up or are you ok with the day ending here with a Weuler elim?

[furtiveglance]

I, Aureal, would love the day to end ASAP with a Weuler elimination.

[Aureal]

O no I turned into someone else again how does this keep happening

VOTE: Weuler

[usesPython]

VOTE: Weuler

Alright then

VOTE: Weuler

[catboi]

fingers crossed, if he's scum sorry for being a nuisance but I have a tendency to play contrarian

[furtiveglance]

Yeah you'll be sorry!

[furtiveglance]

(lol)

[Human]

Here we go

[furtiveglance]

Here we go

into the unKNOWN!

[Black]

*grabs popcorn*

[furtiveglance]

imagine if I set T-Bone up

[furtiveglance]

for a pagetop flip