Newbie 2113 - Shea it ain't So! | Game Over!

[Empathice]

Insinuating that they are weak without a reasoning is a bad idea.

actually, shouldn't you back up your claims with evidence? obviously dion has bad vibes (for me at least, might just be the instinctive OMGUS) but i don't think they've done anything explicitly scummy yet

Evidence? All I have is my case. Although if you want to help flip him be my guest.

I Didn't notice any vibes myself.

wait, where's the case?
to me the vibes feel a little off. like its been jumping around a lot for me, i dont' like how abrubt they are when it comes to swithcing around on things + never evidences his claims so its also like. a little annoying. so i read them as town first, then null, town who likes to tunnel, then maf, and then back to null (because i'm paranoid he's just tunneling and it's not actually ai)

#156 #182 is the majority of it I think.

Although if you want to help flip him be my guest.

also what does this mean

Help eliminate him so we can check his alignment. :p

[Empathice]

The case on Dio has more holes than Swiss cheese. Empathice I don't think you are as sure about Dio's alignment as you act like you are and I'm having a hard time believing someone with a town perspective would tunnel this hard on such weak evidence

Why me = Fry me is a strong tell if you don't like my main case.

VOTE: skitter30

We can go this route first if you'd prefer.

Also who are you even talking to here?

skitter.

[Black]

Especially since scum are known to almost always care much more than town about people's reads on them.

I don't think I agree here. Regardless of my alignment I'm calling anyone out that tries to get me lynched for bogus reasons. This is especially the case if I'm town early in D1 and someone is tunneling on me over a mistake I made in RVS. Do you really think asking to explain reads is alignment indicative?

[Empathice]

Especially since scum are known to almost always care much more than town about people's reads on them.

I don't think I agree here. Regardless of my alignment I'm calling anyone out that tries to get me lynched for bogus reasons. This is especially the case if I'm town early in D1 and someone is tunneling on me over a mistake I made in RVS. Do you really think asking to explain reads is alignment indicative?

Were they asking me to explain my read? That post exists to state that my case is bad without giving a reason why.

Also-

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _me_fry_me

[Black]

Were they asking me to explain my read? That post exists to state that my case is bad without giving a reason why.

They literally asked you if there's more to your read. And yeah they also called your case bad because it is

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _me_fry_me

Cool link but did you miss this part?

"The logic behind this is that if a player cannot defend himself, he is either a

new player

or scum."

[Black]

What is your Mafia experience Emphathice?

[Black]

Also, from your own link:

"When Not to use WMFM:
-The accused is an inexperienced player"

lol

[Black]

Like did you even read the link or did you just have it ready to copy paste when you made your weak Dio push?

VOTE: Empathice

[Empathice]

Were they asking me to explain my read? That post exists to state that my case is bad without giving a reason why.

They literally asked you if there's more to your read. And yeah they also called your case bad because it is

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _me_fry_me

Cool link but did you miss this part?

"The logic behind this is that if a player cannot defend himself, he is either a

new player

or scum."

You think he's new enough for that to apply?

[Black]

You think he's new enough for that to apply?

He's in a Newbie game making newbie mistakes already. What makes you think he's not?

[Empathice]

You think he's new enough for that to apply?

He's in a Newbie game making newbie mistakes already. What makes you think he's not?

Which newbie mistakes are you refering to?

[Black]

The one you are voting him for?

[Black]

Why do you think he's an experienced player?

[Empathice]

He's telling people what things like RVS and FOS are so I don't think he's totally new.

[Empathice]

The one you are voting him for?

Right. Newbie. Except a newbie would be the last person to create a read on demand wouldn't they?

[Black]

The one you are voting him for?

Right. Newbie. Except a newbie would be the last person to create a read on demand wouldn't they?

Dio was asked about his read and he gave it. To me it looks like he thought herta's entrance was scummy, so he accidently attributed his vote to that, not remembering that he joke voted before herta's entrance. It was obviously a quick response because kawaii asked him why he voted in 37 and he responds in 38 less than a minute later. Herta's entrance in 20 was probably fresh on his mind. Seems like a pretty newbie mistake to me

He's telling people what things like RVS and FOS are so I don't think he's totally new.

I agree that he's not totally new, but your link didn't say "don't use this logic if they are totally new", it said don't use it if they are inexperienced. Do you think asking to explain reads is alignment indicative?

Also what is your mafia experience?

[Empathice]

The one you are voting him for?

Right. Newbie. Except a newbie would be the last person to create a read on demand wouldn't they?

Dio was asked about his read and he gave it. To me it looks like he thought herta's entrance was scummy, so he accidently attributed his vote to that, not remembering that he joke voted before herta's entrance. It was obviously a quick response because kawaii asked him why he voted in 37 and he responds in 38 less than a minute later. Herta's entrance in 20 was probably fresh on his mind. Seems like a pretty newbie mistake to me

He's telling people what things like RVS and FOS are so I don't think he's totally new.

I agree that he's not totally new, but your link didn't say "don't use this logic if they are totally new", it said don't use it if they are inexperienced. Do you think asking to explain reads is alignment indicative?

Also what is your mafia experience?

I Discussed that angle already. Read #65 with what you just said in mind and you will understand my case.

He wasn't asking skitter to explain their read.

Around ten-ish games on other sites.

[Black]

When asked why I voted for herta, I couldn't remember what my reasons were so I scrolled to see what their posts were. I saw their intro, thought it was scummy and replied with that.

This is entirely believable from newtown btw, especially knowing that this all happened in the span of seconds

He wasn't asking skitter to explain their read.

He did though. "Why are you so sure of me?" is asking someone to explain their read

You tunneling on something that can easily be attributed to a newbie mistake is probably the most anti-town thing I've seen in this game tbh. Seems too opportunistic

[skitter30]

Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Could you elaborate on your empathice tr?

I liked the following things:
-299 very insightful and i don't feel like it's a read a wolf would make
- dio push
- how forceful he is in sharing his views

[skitter30]

Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Why are you so sure of me?

Your posts keep pinging me as being just 'off- - not just once or twice, but over and over and over again

I don't feel like you're solving - you have a lot of activity and are ~here a lot but tbh i don't really feel like you have solid scumreads

[skitter30]

Like did you even read the link or did you just have it ready to copy paste when you made your weak Dio push?

VOTE: Empathice

I don't think the dio push is bad or scummy at all tbh
I think empathice is townie on this page

[Black]

Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Could you elaborate on your empathice tr?

I liked the following things:
-299 very insightful and i don't feel like it's a read a wolf would make
- dio push
- how forceful he is in sharing his views

299 is definitely something wolves do. It's called pocketing and they do it all the time

[Black]

Like did you even read the link or did you just have it ready to copy paste when you made your weak Dio push?

VOTE: Empathice

I don't think the dio push is bad or scummy at all tbh
I think empathice is townie on this page

Why do you think the push is good? At least with your case you say you're getting weird vibes from Dio. Empathice admitted he doesn't get those vibes. He's pushing for an elimination over a mistake that isn't alignment indicative at all

[Thestatusquo]

Especially since scum are known to almost always care much more than town about people's reads on them.

I don't think I agree here. Regardless of my alignment I'm calling anyone out that tries to get me lynched for bogus reasons. This is especially the case if I'm town early in D1 and someone is tunneling on me over a mistake I made in RVS. Do you really think asking to explain reads is alignment indicative?

Hey there, just a note: We do not use the L word here because of its ties to a deep culture of racial violence in the US. Please try to use a different phrase like limmed or eliminated.

[Thestatusquo]

Additional mod note: Please take care to check displayed pronouns before referencing someone. There's been a bunch of misgendering in the last few pages and there's no excuse to not get it right.