Newbie 2113 - Shea it ain't So! | Game Over!

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Empathice [ 3 ]

Black, dionysus kawaiikame

Dionysus [ 2 ]

skitter30, empathice

Herta (SE) [ 1 ]

Hadriaaan

patchwork [ 1 ]

BluebloodedToffee

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[Dionysus]

Emp your push to get black to claim whether we are masons is, uh, not a town one. If you have that theory, propose it and come back to it if black does die tonight and flips mason, but don't try and get PRs to out themselves on d1? Like this shouldn't have to be said. The answer to that question whether it is yes we are masons or no we are not masons is only helpful to scum because then they have more information on where the PRs are which makes it easier for them to plan their NAs and work out how they are going to win the game. This is by a mile the scummiest thing anyone has tried so far this game.

[Dionysus]

Yes it is

I think with the exception of one post, maybe two I'd have to check, all their posts have been about me and the push has been quite aggressive. The closest they've ever come to entertaining someone else was a fluff vote on you which was immediately retracted (no commentary from you tho on what the purpose of it was tho. Weird). But since then: Dio Dio Dio Dio. No focus elsewhere. Not interested in thinking they might be wrong. Dio Dio Dio Dio.

How is that town behaviour? Some verbose way of saying "because I agree with them" is not an acceptable answer to this question either. Tell me why they are town

Well, for one, i like he's agreeing with me
Two, i'm townreading the aggression. I don't think scum is usually *this* cocky and forceful and aggressive in pushing a flip

He's offered to gladiate you, and doesnt seem to care if we flip him so long as we flip you too ... i townread that

Is agreement all it takes to get you to tr someone? Will note that for future games I play with you where I'm scum.

And he did. I accepted his offer, do you not townread that?

[Black]

Yes it is

I think with the exception of one post, maybe two I'd have to check, all their posts have been about me and the push has been quite aggressive. The closest they've ever come to entertaining someone else was a fluff vote on you which was immediately retracted (no commentary from you tho on what the purpose of it was tho. Weird). But since then: Dio Dio Dio Dio. No focus elsewhere. Not interested in thinking they might be wrong. Dio Dio Dio Dio.

How is that town behaviour? Some verbose way of saying "because I agree with them" is not an acceptable answer to this question either. Tell me why they are town

Well, for one, i like he's agreeing with me
Two, i'm townreading the aggression. I don't think scum is usually *this* cocky and forceful and aggressive in pushing a flip

He's offered to gladiate you, and doesnt seem to care if we flip him so long as we flip you too ... i townread that

Is agreement all it takes to get you to tr someone? Will note that for future games I play with you where I'm scum.

And he did. I accepted his offer, do you not townread that?

She scumreads everything you do and townreads everything Empath does

[Black]

It just feels weird that skitter has basically conftowned Empath. Like how can you be so sure he's town just because you share one read? Skitter said Dio was scummy for having bad scumreads but Empath has one of Skitter's townreads at the bottom of his list: patchwork. And why are Dio's scumreads so bad if you both agreed kawaii was scummy? You seem to only have an issue with his Empath sr? Weird. Empath's aggressive tone is not alignment indicative either. And skitter said Dio is scummy for not solving but he is objectively solving more than Empath and that isn't even debatable. It feels like skitter townreads every scummy thing Empath does and comes up with some excuse for it. I don't understand

I don't think a scum team would be this openly coordinated but the interactions are just too weird to completely dismiss it

[Dionysus]

Skitter had clearly just decided I was scum after 2 posts and has tunnelled me since:

And what do both of u think of dio?

Pretty much since then it has been "this is scummy", "this is suspicious", "this is off" to pretty much my every move, while townreading others for similar things (see: the tr on patch and now empath).

I agree with you that it is unlikely skitter and empath are scum together. Just too obvious a pairing. So until we get a flip from empath I'm just gonna have to put this down to skitter having an, uh, off game, to put it mildly.

For info skitter and I have played one game together (2110) and she flopped at reading me then too. The tunnel wasn't as bad as this but I was her top sr for most if not all of day 1.

[skitter30]

I mean fwiw part of this is that ur acting rather different than 2110 and there you *weren't* pinging me like this

[Dionysus]

Different how?

[Dionysus]

Seriously if that is part of your read on me then it would have been helpful for you to say before now.

[Black]

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[skitter30]

Different how?

Well, last game you were solving more and didn't feel off the entire game

I could understand the point of your posts and why you were making them, and what you were trying to accomplish with them. That's why i'm having such an issue with the posts/pushes that don't seem like they're going anywhere

[Black]

Skitter would you mind answering 624?

[Dionysus]

Different how?

Well, last game you were solving more and didn't feel off the entire game

I could understand the point of your posts and why you were making them, and what you were trying to accomplish with them. That's why i'm having such an issue with the posts/pushes that don't seem like they're going anywhere

Perhaps if I had some breathing room and wasn't being tunnelled from two different directions you might take a different view.

But.

I don't particularly want to continue to be the main character of day 1. I want to focus on empath now and await their answers to my latest posts.

[skitter30]

Black, empathice, patchwork and probably bbt are town
Dio is scum
And a partner in the remainder imo

This ia my present view of the game

Why are you so sure of me?

Your posts keep pinging me as being just 'off- - not just once or twice, but over and over and over again

I don't feel like you're solving - you have a lot of activity and are ~here a lot but tbh i don't really feel like you have solid scumreads

Skitter, would you mind elaborating here? What scumreads of Dio's do you not like? Besides the sr on Empath

Conversely, what do you like about Empath's scumreads? And how do you feel about Empath's attempt at solving so far this game?

I feel like i've kinda answered these questions and variations on them a few times now, there isnt anything new here:

- i don't like dio's vote on empathice when he joined the game, or his vote on hadriaan while pushing patches. I feel like they are performative. I also don't like the sr on empathice

- i like empathice's sr on dio, and i'm townreading the aggression/confidence. I don't think most wolves sugggest a thunderdome, or would ask abt masons in thread. These sorts of thinga might not be *pro-town* (in fact, i would argue that they aren't), but they aren't very likely to come from scum either. I would be v surprised tbh if scum did eitther of those things. The way ge's playing is unideal, sure, but it'a hard for me to call it scum. This is at that point the main reason for the tr, it's a little less abt his dio push tbh

Also: i don't really liie the conclusions of ' there's probably scum in me/empathice' b/c i know i'm town and i think empathice is as well, and trying to flip both of us is rather unideal from my pov

[skitter30]

Different how?

Well, last game you were solving more and didn't feel off the entire game

I could understand the point of your posts and why you were making them, and what you were trying to accomplish with them. That's why i'm having such an issue with the posts/pushes that don't seem like they're going anywhere

Perhaps if I had some breathing room and wasn't being tunnelled from two different directions you might take a different view.

But.

I don't particularly want to continue to be the main character of day 1. I want to focus on empath now and await their answers to my latest posts.

I mean i'm trying to move on, i'm not picking apart your every post

[skitter30]

Also like i'm noting that you aren't reallu addressing the differences so

[Dionysus]

Also like i'm noting that you aren't reallu addressing the differences so

I did?

[Black]

Also like i'm noting that you aren't reallu addressing the differences so

Why don't you make a meta case? If you are this confident Dio is scum why wouldn't you pull examples from the other game? This is just lazy scumhunting tbh

[skitter30]

vla for the next few days

I mean, sure, i'm being lazy
I don't have a ton of time, i'm limites to mobile, and quoting on mobile is a massive pain

Doing that is going to require like sitting down and dedicating like half an hour to that which i don't have today

[Black]

That's fair

[skitter30]

Which is also why i didnt really want to get into the meta b/c going to be hard to justify it, but i feel p strongly that this game doesnt look much like that one

If you want to look at like day3+ of that game you couod see he's universally townread. And earlier in the game he had controversial opinions that he was pushing too

And, like, i don't think the fact that i'm being lazy, which i will readily admit to, invalidates the points i'm mentioning either

[Dionysus]

Which is also why i didnt really want to get into the meta b/c going to be hard to justify it, but i feel p strongly that this game doesnt look much like that one

If you want to look at like day3+ of that game you couod see he's universally townread.

And earlier in the game he had controversial opinions that he was pushing too

And, like, i don't think the fact that i'm being lazy, which i will readily admit to, invalidates the points i'm mentioning either

Conveniently missing out that by d3 I was 100% cleared by the tracker.

[skitter30]

Oh actually fair point, forgot abt that. Either way earlier in the game you definitely felt different too

[Black]

- i don't like dio's vote on empathice when he joined the game, or his vote on hadriaan while pushing patches.

These votes are consistent with his playstyle. He votes inactives/lurkers and that's NAI

I feel like they are performative.

Townies are performative all the time. This isn't a scumtell

I also don't like the sr on empathice

Do you like his sr on Kawaii? Also do you like Empathice's sr on patches?

- i like empathice's sr on dio, and i'm townreading the aggression/confidence.

Why don't you tr Dio for his aggression/confidence?

I don't think most wolves sugggest a thunderdome, or would ask abt masons in thread. These sorts of thinga might not be *pro-town* (in fact, i would argue that they aren't), but they aren't very likely to come from scum either. I would be v surprised tbh if scum did eitther of those things. The way ge's playing is unideal, sure, but it'a hard for me to call it scum. This is at that point the main reason for the tr, it's a little less abt his dio push tbh

I don't think justifying scummy behavior because "scum probably wouldn't do this" is good logic. And I disagree that wolves are unlikely to try to pull this off, especially in a newbie game where it would be much easier to try to out the Masons D1. Thunderdoming? It's too easy for a wolf to manipulate in a newbie game, and Emp never said he would go first. wolf!Emp could easy have the motive of suggesting this to clear himself, pushing for the Dio lim, and then finding a way to get out of it on D2. That's not out of the question at all

Also: i don't really liie the conclusions of ' there's probably scum in me/empathice' b/c i know i'm town and i think empathice is as well, and trying to flip both of us is rather unideal from my pov

If Emp somehow flips town then your buddying will have seemed really informed tbh

[skitter30]

'Scum wouldnt do this' is like the key metric for scumhunting imo. That's how i find town and my thought process when trying to read people

If you can figure out what scum won't do, and you see someone doing it anyways, they're probably town. It works

And honestly i townread the sheet audacity of offering a thunderdome: i have a really, really hard time seeing scum trying that move