Micro 1070 | a micro normal | Endgame

[Aristeia]

gimli do you not understand how micros are balanced

[Aristeia]

like 2 Masons vs 2 Mafia with 5 VTs is a balanced 9p setup - it is run as one of the Newbie setups

I have never seen a micro setup with 2 Masons vs 2 Mafia and another TPR that could add positive utility to the town. And Psychologist is a positive utility role.

[Gimli]

no

I understand if there were masons
I understand if there's a cop

I don't understand two potato joats + another joat + masons and enchant is also an invest? that's too many things for me to process

[Aristeia]

enchant's investigative ability is useless tbh

[Alisae]

No ari it’s very powerful

[Alisae]

Ur wrong kekw

[Alisae]

Jajajajajajajaja

[Alisae]

LOL

[Aristeia]

he's an inspector - it lets him check if someone targeted the person he targets - which is basically useless imo

[Alisae]

Ok that was funny

[Aristeia]

no

I understand if there were masons
I understand if there's a cop

I don't understand two potato joats + another joat + masons and enchant is also an invest? that's too many things for me to process

if there are two masons in a 9p then there should not be any more town tprs that are positive utility like capable of doing something useful. finding a mafia via psychologist is

useful

[mykonian]

Myko can claim whenever as well

Yeez, fine. Otherwise nothing will happen forever :/

I am also a JoaT, but not of the informed kind. My three actions are not impressive.

I could have been a lazy psychologist, which I would only be allowed to use if there was more than one antitown player left. I asked if I could, I could not use that, so for what it's worth in a 9p game, we are looking for one scum.

Last night, I was a security guard. The person I targeted will be told who targeted them (outside me). Please, scary woman who's out for my blood, can you hold off for a bit?

And I could still be a personal reporter. Which checks if someone used a PR-action. After Lisa's claim, this action didn't make much sense anymore.

What I would like to say going forward, is that 9p needs some power, and I'm not it. But if there are indeed 3 informed JoaT's, of one is scum, there is some power as town could try to read into the setup towards endgame and exclude some possibilities. So for a later massclaim, that's something to keep in mind.

these are not misc actions these are investigative actions

Just the one that I couldn't use.

That works 50% of the time in such a game.

Like ignore for a second that you want my head, this is not a powerful PR by any means. The power is in the masons. The fact that I was your security guard makes no real difference how you read allignments if there can happily be mafia fruit vendors.

Actually,

@Lisa

, by chance, your messenger role, would that send your name along? Or just the message. In which case my role could trip up scum trying to confuse a townie, as that townie suddenly knows who the one sending it was (very low probability, but I'm curious)

like 2 Masons vs 2 Mafia with 5 VTs is a balanced 9p setup - it is run as one of the Newbie setups

I have never seen a micro setup with 2 Masons vs 2 Mafia and another TPR that could add positive utility to the town. And Psychologist is a positive utility role.

You haven't seen the last mafia role yet. Imagine it's a one shot dayvig. (Or more reasonable, a role that can also see who's acting, in some way sniffing out the PR's)

[Aristeia]

mafia can't have vigs in normal setups

[Alisae]

Myko I think the way it works is it doesn’t say who sent the message but they just get the message.
Obvs I can put my name in the message

[mykonian]

I did say it wasn't reasonable but I couldn't think of something powerful quickly. A watcher? That tends to do it.

(also, can't they in larges either? I agree it's silly here)

no

I understand if there were masons
I understand if there's a cop

I don't understand two potato joats + another joat + masons and enchant is also an invest? that's too many things for me to process

if there are two masons in a 9p then there should not be any more town tprs that are positive utility like capable of doing something useful. finding a mafia via psychologist is

useful

Flip this argument on it's head though.

This is a town role and you know I have it. I'm not fake claiming my role. I am not a goon. This isn't close to the open setup.

[mykonian]

Myko I think the way it works is it doesn’t say who sent the message but they just get the message.
Obvs I can put my name in the message

Cool. So technically I could still have been useful then tonight.

[Gimli]

no

I understand if there were masons
I understand if there's a cop

I don't understand two potato joats + another joat + masons and enchant is also an invest? that's too many things for me to process

if there are two masons in a 9p then there should not be any more town tprs that are positive utility like capable of doing something useful. finding a mafia via psychologist is

useful

I agree with you

but like, you know, that part of having to have two mafia alive so he could act, is a detail. it makes me trust it.

[Aristeia]

but like, you know, that part of having to have two mafia alive so he could act, is a detail. it makes me trust it.

that detail literally doesn't make sense

psychologist can only find a mafia player who has not killed.

which means the only time it can get a result that is useful is if there are two mafia and one of them is killing and the other one is not killing.

if there is only one mafia alive, by definition that mafia is killing, therefore the psychologist cannot guilty that mafia - there is literally no reason to add a "lazy" gate to the role.

[Alisae]

Tbh I don’t even know what the fuck lazy is
Sounds like something that was added while I was self-banned

[Aristeia]

lazy means the role cannot act if there is only one mafia alive

[Gimli]

Okay

The psychologist makes no sense cause it's a hard guilty in this setup since town doesn't have killing abilities

It also overflows town with stupidly OP things given Ari and enchant are masons

[Gimli]

VOTE: myko

I'm just doing this then

[Alisae]

That sounds really redundant

[Enchant]

Oh boy, i just went here to ask for unvote.

[mykonian]

if there is only one mafia alive, by definition that mafia is killing, therefore the psychologist cannot guilty that mafia - there is literally no reason to add a "lazy" gate to the role.

But I could still use the psychologist shot, it would just be useless. I think the mod maybe added it in case I think 3 scum in a 9p would be reasonable and somehow still used that ability and wasted a night?

Anyway, still the same, you know I have this role, you can happily be confused about my allignment, if Lisa doesn't even know what lazy was supposed to be, how does a "fossil" (not grumpy at all) like me know? I used another shot of the role on you already. I'm going to be a town uninformed JoaT or I'm going to be a scum uninformed JoaT, the clue is not going to be in how a one shot lazy psychologist affects the setup.

Because you are outguessing the mod, while you have a thread with someone you think is scummy where you could have actual arguments.