Newbie 2113 - Shea it ain't So! | Game Over!

[Black]

Bbt is 100% correct. 60 pages for day 1 is completely ridiculous and isn't remotely helpful for town because we have spent most of these 60 pages going in circles. It is to the point that previously active players who were away for a day or so are totally overwhelmed with the amount of content to read.

At this stage we need to go ahead with an elimination and start afresh tomorrow.

Alright. This is fair and I can see the point being made

[bewolkt]

I want everyone's thought's on bewolkt's entrance.

I get the sense he is trying to solve which I like, but I think his reads are a bit weird and his reasons inconsistent. That isn't necessarily scummy though. I just don't think patches is a player that should be null at this point. I also don't think kawaii null is very sensible either. But again that isn't necessarily scummy.

I've been wondering if bewolkt/patches is feasible and I think bewolkt being so stalwart in patchwork being a bad lim but having them in a null slot doesn't track, especially when bewolkt clearly has no problem pushing other slots they view as null (bbt).

What's your definition of null? I never used that word and I get the sense that you might be applying here some logic that I did not use
And I was clear that my view of patch/kawaii is different from my view of bbt so I wouldn't group them together

[furtiveglance]

Black, why is BBT not a good vote option?

I don't think limming lurky players is the best course of action when there are more scummy players around. The lurk slots always have the possibility of contributing more later. Do you think he's a good option?

No, he isn't as scummy as my preferred options

[skitter30]

Bbt is 100% correct. 60 pages for day 1 is completely ridiculous and isn't remotely helpful for town because we have spent most of these 60 pages going in circles. It is to the point that previously active players who were away for a day or so are totally overwhelmed with the amount of content to read.

At this stage we need to go ahead with an elimination and start afresh tomorrow.

I was gone for a day and came back to 15 pages, and feel rather out of it now

[furtiveglance]

patchwork, claim your role.

[Black]

Black, why is BBT not a good vote option?

I don't think limming lurky players is the best course of action when there are more scummy players around. The lurk slots always have the possibility of contributing more later. Do you think he's a good option?

No, he isn't as scummy as my preferred options

That's how I feel. I'm all for pressure votes earlier in the Day but with 2 days to the deadline I don't think pushing a 4th player when we can't even decide between 3 is a good idea

[Dionysus]

I want everyone's thought's on bewolkt's entrance.

I get the sense he is trying to solve which I like, but I think his reads are a bit weird and his reasons inconsistent. That isn't necessarily scummy though. I just don't think patches is a player that should be null at this point. I also don't think kawaii null is very sensible either. But again that isn't necessarily scummy.

I've been wondering if bewolkt/patches is feasible and I think bewolkt being so stalwart in patchwork being a bad lim but having them in a null slot doesn't track, especially when bewolkt clearly has no problem pushing other slots they view as null (bbt).

What's your definition of null? I never used that word and I get the sense that you might be applying here some logic that I did not use
And I was clear that my view of patch/kawaii is different from my view of bbt so I wouldn't group them together

in your reads post you grouped patch as "unsure" and bbt as "could go either way". Whether you want to attribute the word null to either of these doesn't matter, but "unsure" and "could go either way" are different ways of saying the same thing. At least in the context of trying to figure out someone's alignment. I don't think it is very consistent to argue against a patch lim as you have while being happy to push a vote on bbt who is just one slot below patch on your reads.

[Dionysus]

Bbt is 100% correct. 60 pages for day 1 is completely ridiculous and isn't remotely helpful for town because we have spent most of these 60 pages going in circles. It is to the point that previously active players who were away for a day or so are totally overwhelmed with the amount of content to read.

At this stage we need to go ahead with an elimination and start afresh tomorrow.

I was gone for a day and came back to 15 pages, and feel rather out of it now

Yes, I know. Which is why I think we need to stop farting about and just eliminate someone.

[Black]

Why am I the only one that thinks more discussion helps the Town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Big difference between original discussion and repetitive discussion.

[Dionysus]

Why am I the only one that thinks more discussion helps the Town?

You're not. But we have reached a point where the discussion is just circular and going nowhere which is not particularly helpful.

[patchwork]

hi nerds im alive

[Dionysus]

hi nerds im alive

Claim pls

[KawaiiKame]

What e-x is patch at?

[Black]

What e-x is patch at?

e-1 i think

[patchwork]

BBT anything to say?

Not really, no.

Was kind of hoping this Day would be done by now. Any useful information from D1 we potentially had is just being drowned out by noise at this point.

yall are like "patch isn't contributing, that's scummy" and then there's bbt VOTE: bbt

[Dionysus]

What e-x is patch at?

E-1 iirc

[Dionysus]

Patch it is time to claim

[KawaiiKame]

I'm willing to hammer patch at this point, delaying the game isn't good to game health

[bewolkt]

I want everyone's thought's on bewolkt's entrance.

I get the sense he is trying to solve which I like, but I think his reads are a bit weird and his reasons inconsistent. That isn't necessarily scummy though. I just don't think patches is a player that should be null at this point. I also don't think kawaii null is very sensible either. But again that isn't necessarily scummy.

I've been wondering if bewolkt/patches is feasible and I think bewolkt being so stalwart in patchwork being a bad lim but having them in a null slot doesn't track, especially when bewolkt clearly has no problem pushing other slots they view as null (bbt).

What's your definition of null? I never used that word and I get the sense that you might be applying here some logic that I did not use
And I was clear that my view of patch/kawaii is different from my view of bbt so I wouldn't group them together

in your reads post you grouped patch as "unsure" and bbt as "could go either way". Whether you want to attribute the word null to either of these doesn't matter, but "unsure" and "could go either way" are different ways of saying the same thing. At least in the context of trying to figure out someone's alignment. I don't think it is very consistent to argue against a patch lim as you have while being happy to push a vote on bbt who is just one slot below patch on your reads.

No they are not different ways of saying the same thing. In one case I have doubts on the alignment because I see things that can be scummy and also others that feel townie while in the other I feel I don't have enough information, which is why I was "happy" to push a vote on bbt: to see if it could get some traction and he would participate.
Also I don't think I have argued against a patch lim. I have expressed that I would like to go for others but I don't think I have questioned or confronted anyone over their patch vote and tried to convince anyone to change it

[Empathice]

BBT anything to say?

Not really, no.

Was kind of hoping this Day would be done by now. Any useful information from D1 we potentially had is just being drowned out by noise at this point.

yall are like "patch isn't contributing, that's scummy" and then there's bbt VOTE: bbt

They've contributed more than you and in less scummy ways.

[Black]

I'm willing to hammer patch at this point, delaying the game isn't good to game health

Do what you have to do ig. Maybe I can get caught up overnight

[patchwork]

I take offence to being called a lurker.

You're literally not doign anything though. You refuse to read, refuse to contribute.... idk, you've just gone completely under the radar.

[patchwork]

They've contributed more than you and in less scummy ways.

they contributed in the first ten pages and disappeared lmao

[Black]

BBT anything to say?

Not really, no.

Was kind of hoping this Day would be done by now. Any useful information from D1 we potentially had is just being drowned out by noise at this point.

yall are like "patch isn't contributing, that's scummy" and then there's bbt VOTE: bbt

They've contributed more than you and in less scummy ways.

Do you actually think this? Can you elaborate on this opinion?