Newbie 2111 - Know Your Skittles! (Game Over)

[catboi]

I'm going to reread Black tomorrow to make a final judgment call on her alignment but I think doing so while I'm agitated is a bad idea. Give me time until then, please and thank you.

[Human]

I'd like to hear Aureal's thoughts on this

[furtiveglance]

I'd like to hear Aureal's thoughts on this

or on anything

[catboi]

Confused confusing confusion

I'm not responding rationally because I'm playing frustrated, because furtive if town is frankly a disgusting player. I think he's intentionally trying to provoke me as a tactic.

You called me a jackass and an obnoxious player after I spent time carefully unpacking your waffle. So yeah, you're a clown for that, regardless of your alignment.

But sure, I'm a disgusting player.

Yeah, because you're playing like a complete jerk in a newbie game and like, what's the point? It's really gross. I've called you names but only because you have been

consistently, persistently

rude in every response you have given to me and it's really grating! I probably shouldn't be calling you names in response and I've taken the time to edit those out but I stand by the point that the way you've been treating me is absolutely horrid.

Even if you think I'm scum you could attempt to meaningfully engage with me and try to solve me and at least consider my perspective, because I am town and if you want to be an actual good example you should be trying to figure the game out, rather than just bury me.

again, if you're scum good job because your entire job is to get me killed and if you can tilt me in the process and make people less inclined to listen to me, good job.


if you're town,

what on earth is wrong with you

? even if you suspect me, that is fine but but this stuff where you treat me like I'm not worth speaking to, ridicule me, it's a really terrible way to treat someone just because you suspect them. You're not always going to be right in mafia games, in fact you will be wrong most of the time (this is true for literally everyone, I am not putting you down), so treating someone you suspect to be scum like, well,

scum

is going to make the game worse for people but also make the game harder and make you generally unpleasant to play with.

So, seriously, knock it the hell off, dude.

[catboi]

I'm logging off because I'm too heated for this tonight.

[Aureal]

And the vote on Day 1 is a lot more significant than Day 2 - keep in mind scum knew D2 the only remaining PR was a FN and thus it was completely safe to bus

Is it completely cynical of me to sense an agenda here? I don't think so...

My agenda is catching scum, sir. If you are town I will try to figure that out but making snide remarks at me isn't going to help anyone scumhunt.

Sorry, but this does seem like an over-reaction to a pretty blase comment. It's actually a fair thing to point out- I never considered how 'safe' it was to bus on D2 with the knowledge that there was just a FN left lurking around, because I'm not scum. I had to sit here and think about that a moment to figure out why you say it's safe. Citing that way of thinking shows that you're thinking deeply about scum strategy- which could well be because it's your strategy.

I don't think it's furtive here. He doesn't really need to dig in on catboi if he's scum. We're already set up with catboi and Human as the most likely Weuler partners. Python made us this nice set of directions, and nobody seemed too inclined to argue with it.

Personally I've still kind of been thinking it's Human and maybe that's part of why I was quieter D2. I felt like my reads sucked at the end of D1, then I got told Python was town so between all that and getting sick I just went into 'shut up and let Python lead' mode while trying to not be too obvious that I'd suddenly found out their alignment. Python's original solve didn't account for the possibility of Human/Weuler though, and I feel better keeping it as a possibility.

Nobody commented much on my earlier question, so I'm going to assume that nobody saw any particular reason that Meg would've been guessed to be a PR. I don't see anything there that tips me off, not that I'm the greatest at figuring out that sort of thing, so I'm going with the idea that they just got lucky rather than intentionally went for a perceived PR. Which makes me wonder what the rationale was. If they were trying to take out the most town-perceived players it's possible but seems less likely than coming after me or Python or Black. So I'm thinking it was Meg's reads that tipped it against her- she wanted to flip Human, Freedom, and Weuler. Many of us were suspicious of Weuler but Human was getting a pass from most everyone, so taking her out before she got much chance to start pushing in earnest against Human would be a sound decision.

[Black]

The logic about Meg's reads makes sense to me and I had kinda forgotten about it. I can see an angle where newscum Human and newscum Weuler felt threatened by the accuracy of the reads and wanted to get rid of the threat. But then why would Human and Weuler keep you alive Aureal? That part doesn't really add up to me the more I think about it. If Human is a wolf then you solved them before Meg. I guess you had backed off a little? Or it could have just been the PR guess like you said...I don't really know

Human saying that Meg was the target because she was a replacement seems like a weird conclusion to reach. Almost like he was trying to think of a reason that wasn't "she wants to flip us"

I have a hard time reading furtive v Cat because of the emotion involved. Idk why but my gut wants to read the frustration and anger as town even though it's probably NAI

[Black]

1) Flip Weuler
2ai) If Weuler flips scum, flip catboi
2aii) If catboi flips town, flip Human
2b) If Weuler flips town, flip a Human/furtive scumteam

I feel like this is even more possible evidence of Human getting rid of a threat if he is a wolf. If we stick with this plan then there's no way for Weuler/Human to win unless I'm missing something. I guess catboi/Weuler don't win in python's plan either though

[Black]

It just has to be Human or Cat here in my eyes. My gut has been telling me Human

VOTE: Human

[furtiveglance]

Human being scum is possible, but less likely for me.

[Black]

Human being scum is possible, but less likely for me.

This is how I feel about Cat

Human thinks it might be Cat, but Cat thinks Human is probably town. If Cat is wolf here then doesn't it make sense for him to push Human? Like why would he back off and start to tr him? Or are we getting into WIFOM territory assuming scum will make the optimal play?

[furtiveglance]

The last Mafia needs 2 miseliminations, not just one. The easiest way to do that is to be townread yourself, and towning other players can sometimes make that happen.

[Black]

Ok but if Cat is wolf then he's going to have to reverse his stance on Human eventually or he loses. Unless he thinks he can get one of me/you/Aureal limmed instead

[Black]

Well after a quick skim of cat's recent posts ig he is leaving the door open to flipflop on Human if he has to

[furtiveglance]

Exactly

[Human]

Thing is I TR everyone else if I were scum I would have to convince you all I’m town despite there being basically no other suspects as I said furtive/weuler doesn’t make much sense considering the slots aggression towards weuler

[Black]

Thing is I TR everyone else if I were scum I would have to convince you all I’m town despite there being basically no other suspects as I said furtive/weuler doesn’t make much sense considering the slots aggression towards weuler

You TR catboi?

[furtiveglance]

Thing is I TR everyone else if I were scum I would have to convince you all I’m town despite there being basically no other suspects as I said furtive/weuler doesn’t make much sense considering the slots aggression towards weuler

You TR catboi?

I think Human means everyone else, not catboi

[furtiveglance]

Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's just catboi here.

Aureal, are you willing to vote catboi today?

[Black]

He said if he were scum he would have to convince us he's town despite there being no other suspects. I think he means he TRs cat which would be a weird development after you just said cat did the same thing for town points

[Human]

No after cat was eliminated

[Black]

No after cat was eliminated

Ohh ok, I understand

[Aureal]

The logic about Meg's reads makes sense to me and I had kinda forgotten about it. I can see an angle where newscum Human and newscum Weuler felt threatened by the accuracy of the reads and wanted to get rid of the threat. But then why would Human and Weuler keep you alive Aureal? That part doesn't really add up to me the more I think about it. If Human is a wolf then you solved them before Meg. I guess you had backed off a little? Or it could have just been the PR guess like you said...I don't really know

Yeah, I had called them out as a team but I wasn't pushing it very hard. I spent most of D1 ineffectively vanity wagoning, first on Human even as Weuler got wagoned, then sparring with Python. Meg was definitely more assertive.

Human saying that Meg was the target because she was a replacement seems like a weird conclusion to reach. Almost like he was trying to think of a reason that wasn't "she wants to flip us"

Yeah, that was my reaction too. He's saying a lot of stuff and I just don't know where so much of it even comes from.

I have a hard time reading furtive v Cat because of the emotion involved. Idk why but my gut wants to read the frustration and anger as town even though it's probably NAI

I'm not a fan of appeals to emotion, and I'm not really sure where this one came from.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure it's just catboi here.

Aureal, are you willing to vote catboi today?

Probably, yeah. Either him or Human. Just trying to consider how the next day will go if we get it wrong.

[furtiveglance]

Probably, yeah. Either him or Human. Just trying to consider how the next day will go if we get it wrong.

Do you think it's catboi or Human?

[Aureal]

You mean do I have a stronger read on one? Not really, I keep reading and going back and forth on which would be more likely. Nor have I completely ruled out you or Black, those just seem less likely cases.