Open 874 - Donner Party - Postgame

[Alianna]

1.10

Votecount 1.10

Flea The Magician (3): furtiveglance, Gimli, Save The Dragons
Detective Penguin (1): KawaiiKame
NorwegianboyEE (1): Flea The Magician
furtiveglance (1): Detective Penguin
biancospino (1): Firebringer
KawaiiKame (1): Cephrir
Cephrir (1): biancospino
Save The Dragons (1): NorwegianboyEE

Not Voting (2): Sail, DragonEater70

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to lunch someone.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-03-05 17:48:08).

[Save The Dragons]

The vibes were off

[Save The Dragons]

Look I feel like fb is more likely to try and lead and do some reads and stuff as scum, more likely to just meme the entire time as town. He's a bit too serious

[NorwegianboyEE]

Look I feel like fb is more likely to try and lead and do some reads and stuff as scum, more likely to just meme the entire time as town. He's a bit too serious

Basically the opposite of what i believe huh.
@Fire Any input on this?

[Detective Penguin]

VOTE: cephypoo

[Firebringer]

i don't think im try harding
but this isn't the first time ive seen someone call me scum for being try hard.

Trying to see where exactly StD is seeing try hard.

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

[Firebringer]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

If ur trying to buddy me. This isn't the way to go.
Ur supposed to call me scum confirmed. 100% always elim.

[Cephrir]

Plz just let me see day 2 with a town role pm just this once thank u

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Sail

Seasoned player ignoring someone who can probably get the grasp of them quickly? Nah not about that life.

[Firebringer]

everyone on this page want to answer my earlier question to norwee on who u would eat tonight if you had a gun?

I am still leaning StD

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

If ur trying to buddy me. This isn't the way to go.
Ur supposed to call me scum confirmed. 100% always elim.

I wasn't going to tell them the real reason is because you're my scumbuddy

[Detective Penguin]

everyone on this page want to answer my earlier question to norwee on who u would eat tonight if you had a gun?

I am still leaning StD

No thanks. Not right now.

[Firebringer]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

If ur trying to buddy me. This isn't the way to go.
Ur supposed to call me scum confirmed. 100% always elim.

I wasn't going to tell them the real reason is because you're my scumbuddy

wait ur my scumbuddy.....then why is Penguin in this PT with me....

[Cephrir]

I'm not actually sure if the hypovig thing is a good idea or not but if it is my answer might change by the end of the day anyhow

[Cephrir]

I'm pretty much never killing Firebringer D1 he's too charming

Don't super see him as scum tho

If ur trying to buddy me. This isn't the way to go.
Ur supposed to call me scum confirmed. 100% always elim.

I wasn't going to tell them the real reason is because you're my scumbuddy

wait ur my scumbuddy.....then why is Penguin in this PT with me....

Oh shit he's an undercover detective get him

[Sail]

SING TO MEEEEE by Delain.
5 posts ish per spoiler?

Spoiler: Happy tears fade fast, sad tears tend to last

@Flea, could you clarify #311 please?

yes I can, My brain did the wonderful thing of actually forgetting we never actually commented and just YEET.
Time go wibble.

Spoiler: 311

It would probably be ideal to get serial killer first assuming they have nightkill

And this.

Cereal Killer is a single person faction, and a threat to scum as much as town. Maf would prioritise the CK imo

Only thing i find strange about that post is norwee saying "assuming they have night kill" cause ive never heard of cereal killer with no nightkill.

what ur point?

My point is Yes we have 2 nightkills to stand against, we aren't going to find the SK this early, and currently they're as much a threat to us as they are to the mafia. We don't have kill power in this setup, and SK marches to their own drum. Mafia and SK in YOLO puts town as kingmaker. Mafia need SK gone more than we do at the moment.
Norwee prioritising SK this early is hella sus to me for this reason.

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Also i wasn’t "3P" hunting and scumtelling because "only scum hunt SK" Flea. I was pointing out that from an mechanics standpoint it’s way better to kill the SK as early as possible because that limits the amount of kills from anti-town roles. This was an indirect answer to your question on what you thought was best between killing mafia or a SK today. Whether we actually hit scum at all today is the most important thing.

Oh I do love an early tell showdown.
Especially when its the over-explaining tell.
Annoyingly I think this one is NAI for you if my memory serves. For a D1 case, "only scum hunt SK" is brilliant for putting things into motion, I don't actually put that much credence into it beyond mid D1.

This leads to me asking you why give me an indirect answer to a question that wasn't even aimed at you? Just as importantly, Why give such a defensive response to the mildest of suspicion and end with a blanket statement that's true and NAI for ALL roles in this game?

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

🌶 - 1/10 on the spicy scale.
I would add a normal comment but we're under stricter moderation again ain't we and I don't wanna risk it.

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Why'd you move over to Ceph?

They are the scummiest in my eyes atm.

Curious to know who else you think is scummy, given your justification for VOTE:Cephrir being your scummiest is so weak it doesn't even make the spicy scale.

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Having another look at it, Sail hasn't posted at all and I'm really unsure what the perspectives of both Flea and Bianco are. IDK if that makes them scummier or not, but I'd at least want to get Cephrir to E-2 for info before chasing another wagon. I definitely didn't get anything townie from Ceph.

Pedit: or we could go for Furtive. I guess they are actually quite deserving of a wagon ATM.

Before I change my vote, @Furtive please explain these two posts:

VOTE: Detective Penguin

I have an idea.

VOTE: Death Stare

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

Another Pedit: I actually didn't forget Bianco as you can see.

Never ever try and get my perspective. I come from a place of insanity and 9 times out of 10 I can't even remember what the hell I've posted.

Spoiler: You've got your blood stained heart, in your nicotine stained hands.

it's very jada essensce hall "LOOK OVER THERE"

yeah but would cephrir scum be that lazy

Actually would though...

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Did you know Rifle Spoons are a thing? I didn't, I was hoping to find a spoon bayonet thingie but found something so much better

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hey cephrir u have a gun
who would u eat right now

Furtive. Struggles to post as scum

Disagree. Has been a while admittedly, and I also think we're a little early to be dropping lines like that.

Scrolling sees that you admit you're wrong, cool. Still don't like how early that lines come out.

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Ok so i’ve done nothing and get wagoned wtf do u guys expect. I’m already tired today and i’m not gonna "become easy to read" like Fire apparently thinks will happen. In fact i’m just gonna go chill cus this game seems annoying now. Mislim me for nothing if y’all want, don’t care at all.

thinking on this again does norwee town actually believe he would get elimmed this fast in a game? I don't think so.

This sounds like purposeful overreaction than really annoyance? Or maybe he is just trying to be adamant that he won't give what i want. easy read.

wow. I circled around to feeling this is 3d chess move.
ehhhhhhhh

ill say town still

I would actually say yes. Norwee isn't exactly great under pressure from memory regardless of alignment. I'm interested to see responses to stuff in the spoiler above.

Spoiler: And your 29 years did not help you pass

Am I producing enough content for you yet dragoneater

It's good enough for me to prefer a Furtive wagon over you, ig?

The sass of VOTE:Cephrir combined with the flatness of this response is just amazing.

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Ur straight up bad at reading me then love this is an easy one

Tbf every game I've played with your gorgeous duo, this always happens. Like the day I'm in a game where Fenrir doesn't scumread your ass D1 is the day I just turbolim you both ngl.

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Nothing until we actually have some flips.

Presenting: The reason I hate D1.

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VOTE: KawaiiKame

So many posts so little content

This game is confusing, when I'm in confusion I don't pay attention, lemme attempt to be real

Norwee throwing up his hands and leaving in frustration is tai, being genuinely upset when close to being eliminated feels town when in the opening game, hopefully he's okay, Idk why it's being called a gold mine/treasure hunt unless the meaning is an info mine, that's what I'm counting on to have hope of solving this game

dragoneating is town to me since I like the engagement in attempting to solve/asking questions

I need to analyze the vote pushes between norwee vs. penguin though Idk if anything is in it

I voted Penguin since it's fun

fires seem to be the leader of this day, probably/hopefully town

I haven't read enough in depth to know about anyone else besides Penguin, Penguin seems chill

Growlithe usually needs a Fire Stone to lead, honestly I'm going to disagree with a large chunk of this post, its easier to go with what I do agree with.

Penguin is p chill. The "gold mine" isn't a big enough vein to set up on but we can pan for gold there at least. we might get a lil bit.

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why did u vote me

set a new trend idk

It's not a new trend, trust me. You saw what happened on the Good Ship Mutiny.

I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

Wait that's a thing?
I don't even read the first 10 pages usually xD I enter when I enter and the game for me doesn't exist before that. :3

Spoiler: All the roadkill, cheap thrill, obstacle-filled path

Get furtive to E-1. Sail is replaced by Not_Mafia and instant hammers.
imagine that

🌶🌶🌶 - 3/10
Paranoia or concern... hm....

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I'm not scum. If you give me something to talk about then I'll give it a go

Can you make your famous first ten pages analysis?

yeah I want that too

Spoiler: The pages, collapsed by Flea

Spoiler: Page 1

bianco's joke feels a bit forced. Firebringer tunnelling Norwee out the gate might be +town because scum would feel bad about doing that.

Spoiler: Page 2

This is entirely fluff.

Spoiler: Page 3

Gimli's entrance is slightly +town. I'm also thinking Kawaii is town based on my expectations of new players.

Spoiler: Page 4

TvT vibes from Gimli and FB.

Spoiler: Page 5

bianco question is slightly +scum.

Spoiler: Page 6

Norwee's entrance is +town, Flea's is +scum.

Spoiler: Page 7

Norwee is very town, not for the SK nightkill thing but I do buy that as genuine. Flea 170 could be a lazy pocket.

Spoiler: Page 8

I don't think 181 is +town, the opposite actually. I've found that Mafia are often self-deprecating in this way.

Spoiler: Page 9

DragonEater70 entrance is +town, Cephrir null.

Spoiler: Page 10

STD comes in, nothing to read into really so null.

VOTE: Flea The Magician

VOTE: flea

GODS DAMN IT PUT SOME CLOTHES ON.
Nekkidness everywhere. Yeesh. At least I have me undercrackers on...

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you're the one making associatives already. have I said I was sure you're scum, or have I said I don't believe your reactions to me?

u immediately said i was white knighting for kawaii, which to me was TMI that u knew kawaii was town. I don't know how u come to conclusion i was white knighting when i have not said a word about kawaii.

For all i know ur bussing kawaii but ur reaction tells me thats unlikely.

This is quite bad. Players often accuse others of white-knighting precisely because it seems like they are scum defending a town. Firebringer tries to frame this interaction as if Gimli thought that Firebringer’s scumread of Gimli was scummy, but Firebringer doesn’t acknowledge the possibility that there was a specific characteristic of his scumread that alerted Gimli that Firebringer was white-knighting.
So far, both Gimli and Firebringer seem scummy. Despite this, their interaction doesn’t seem like S/S. This is because of Firebringer’s slightly disingenuous characterization of Gimli’s posts. In my experience, scumpartners who are bussing try to fully understand their scumpartner’s posts before attacking them.

A challenger has appeared...
Can't wait to see you post more, your use of language is intriguing.

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And Cereal kill.

i would never kill cereal.
Thats just barbaric

my mafia kills goes to Norwee

Really starting to get the openwolf vibe from you.

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i don't think im nearly as good at reading u as cephrir tbh

Honestly I don't think StD is good at reading VOTE:Cephrir.

Spoiler: White lies, black dress, brightest of darkness

last time flea was scum fae was really busy so busy always busy never catching up never doing anything never producing reads

but ofc this time it can be NAI

You've had one game with me as scum, and I was caught up pretty regular, in contrast to my usual forever-in-catchup MO of scum in large.
So who's alt are you?

It's also almost like I have a life and health conditions that keep me busy... both of which are actually fairly well documented around the site

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I hate people townreading me, it makes the game harder to solve, but I like the people that did tr me except for cephrir

This type of metacognition tends to come from town.

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

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VOTE: Flea

Put it away VOTE:Cephrir, nobody wants to see your naked ass... except maybe StD...

You close your tear-stained eyes to your silver-lined madness
After 29 years, you might want to confess
That we have made a fucked-up place that I can not erase

I read through all that performance

I think it was towny

I don't wanna flip flea anymore

The thing is, yes it has a townie vibe but if you read it carefully it's mostly fluffy commentary with very little game advancing opinions on who's scum and who's town. It kinda nudges me the wrong way, but it still feels townie in vibe.
IDK, does anyone here know Flea's meta well? Or can link to past games of theirs?

From scrolling through Flea’s ISO in HMS Mutiny I see the exact same thing that Gimli’s saying. I think this is +town for Flea and slightly +town for Gimli.

Curious, you read my ISO on HMS Mutiny, didn't read my post here - or if you did ignored my question.
Whats the difference you're seeing between here and Mutiny?

I did read your post here. In fact, I responded to one of the points about Cephrir that you made in your post. Are you talking about this?

Cool. You're definitely well seasoned at this, how did you place on the MU tournament championship things?

I thought this was a joke/non-serious. I am not well-seasoned at mafia, I've played forum mafia on-and-off for the past 3 years and chat mafia on-and-off for the past 5 years.

[Firebringer]

I should have known to never trust a person named Detective Penguin.
He literally asked me in the PT "hey buddy whats the latest crimes you committed?"
and then asked me all my aliases and people who helped me out.

[Save The Dragons]

I'd honestly holster at this point

[Sail]

VOTE: Sail

Seasoned player ignoring someone who can probably get the grasp of them quickly? Nah not about that life.

When I made my last post I was a page behind when you asked me about why I had ignored you.

[Save The Dragons]

I think you tryharder maybe tryhard isn't the right word. It's not a great read at this time but I wouldn't be surprised if you were scum or sk

[Gimli]

I'm happy with my flea vote again

[Gimli]

especially if what fae is complaining that sail is ignoring faer is a silly question about a position in a tournament. like ?????????

[Firebringer]

does anyone have a read on biancospino
and if so what is it and why

[Firebringer]

im gonna be lazy with flea and just hope flea sorts itself out.
With a bit of magic and other stuff, maybe cocaine.

I don't trust my ability to read flea with any level of certainty. I don't think there is a game yet where I read flea right