Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

[Enchant]

Official Vote Count 1.02

No matter what medical or scientific method is employed, it is impossible for humans to distinguish whether or not a human has Shinigami Eyes. Even Shinigami cannot distinguish this fact, except for the very Shinigami that traded his or her eye power with that human.

Execution

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to execute someone.

Kokichi Oma

(3): Gimli, KawaiiKame, MegAzumaril

Malakittens

(1): HighPrincessErinys,

MegAzumaril

: (1) Kokichi Oma

KawaiiKame

(1): Vanderscamp

Save The Dragons

(1): Malakittens

Not Voting

(3): Save The Dragons, Lorne Malve, Black

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-03-12 03:15:29).

Grace Period: Ended

Mod notes: Grace Period is Over

[Gimli]

VOTE: malakittens

[Lorne Malvo]

let's say we follow a plan that kills indiscriminately between kira and followers.

say we use that plan to get 'wolfy people' and people who are openly talking to kira in thread like meg

say we kill them and the game doesn't end

the problem we have is that we don't know what we killed. we might have killed a townie instead. we need some sort of strong evidence to kill based off things that aren't specifically kira hunting, which is hunting for a mastermind serial killer, and normal scumhunting tools might as well be a bunch of ass. so we need to kill off based on a 'could this player easily be kira?' type of mindset first. if we get followers, that's good. but it should be secundary and accidental when we do it imo.

I thought hanged people flip alignment

[Gimli]

There's important thing i cut out of rules and just noticed.

All dead players flip without revealing any information. I am returning this back in "Setup" section.

here, lorne. enchant just decided to make things worse for us.

[Gimli]

there's one way we can learn if the followers are dead:

[Gimli]

Hiding. If both your Followers are dead and you used ability Assasinate already, mod will warn you about this and unlock this ability. At day, you can lose Death Note and memories permanently, becoming innocent for "Brainstorm" of Detective and unable to use "Write". Criminals will stop dying (message "Criminals in prison not dying anymore" will be posted publically), so everyone will realise you used this ability. This action can't be reversed.

[Save The Dragons]

starting to have doubts on kokichi

gimli, why malakittens?

[Lorne Malvo]

There's important thing i cut out of rules and just noticed.

All dead players flip without revealing any information. I am returning this back in "Setup" section.

here, lorne. enchant just decided to make things worse for us.

Then why are we even playing?

[Gimli]

starting to have doubts on kokichi

gimli, why malakittens?

I don't know if keeping the pressure on kokichi is going to help.

I have you lorne kawai black vander HPE and ofc meg as not kira or either way not good d1 wagon

so I think (mala, koki) is where things can be since I'm kinda nullscum read on mala's entrance and talking to enchant instead of talking to people

and I have a read on mala playing traitor that would suit an x role but not a y role. I'll talk about this later.

[Gimli]

I didn't mean that enchant is not people lol I meant like, she came here and talked to the mod and not the players

[Save The Dragons]

There's important thing i cut out of rules and just noticed.

All dead players flip without revealing any information. I am returning this back in "Setup" section.

here, lorne. enchant just decided to make things worse for us.

Then why are we even playing?

i wish we knew this ahead of time too but it doesn't change the fact all we have to do is find kira

[Enchant]

I am really sorry. I didn't want to make 30 questions quiz...............................

[Gimli]

I love the setup, no complaints here. this is entirely playable imo.

[Gimli]

I don't like when there's a random 3p in game cause it's ???????????

here there's a bunch of mechanics and how people have to interact with each other given the roles they have, that make it interesting to investigate. I'm rly rly happy with this setup lol but I get the no flip thing can be annoying.

[MegAzumarill]

My thought is that if it's day 3 and there are 6 people left. 2 followers, Kira and 3 of us. It's game over for us.

Detective has a dayvig so we shouldnt lose until 3:3 detective dead or 2:3 otherwise since scum maj isn't a win con for scum

[Black]

I just want to add, regarding hunting followers/Kira:

If we suspect someone is a follower then we kill them. We don't keep them around to try to see if we can figure out who Kira is from them. Each follower can use Shinigami Eyes correct? That means scum can get two real names a night assuming the followers don't accidently target the same guy. The quicker we get rid of the followers then the less real names are revealed to scum.

What's cool about this game is that the followers can't tell each other or Kira what their eyes discovered overnight. They're gonna have to figure out a way to push that information in public without getting caught

Slightly suspicious of Gimli for even semi-suggesting we ignore followers

[Black]

vanderscamp is the towniest player I think.

Gimli can you walk me through this read

[Gimli]

@black: this read

Kira followers fake claiming is actually genius the more I think about it. The followers don't know each other and Kira doesn't know them, but they all know what skills aren't in play. Claiming a skill that isn't in play let's your two buddies know you're with them

Assuming I'm right about the rules, strong read from this that Black is not a follower

the man is paying attention, and while kira is follower hunting, they might not do so in public like this.

vander gets not kira points and not follower points for this post, imo.

[Gimli]

what I said re: followers is that "we need some sort of strong evidence to kill based off things that aren't specifically kira hunting". if we have a sure read on someone as being with kira, we'll kill them. but kira hunting comes first.

[Black]

I don't think paying attention is alignment indicative. And reading that I'm not a follower is something Kira/a follower could easily do. Doing it in public is smart because they can't tell other scum what they think in private. They have to visibly narrow the pool of followers/Kira

Just weird reasonings to have him has the towniest player imo but maybe that's because his posts have given me weird vibes so I don't agree. I'll try to elaborate on this in a bit

[Gimli]

he also likes my posts

[Gimli]

well I suppose you're the towniest now black

[Lorne Malvo]

I want to hang Kira day 5 so we get maximum playing time

[Black]

Ok...weird thoughts on Vander so far...a lot of these actions are NAI but they still pinged me

Do we like spoilers? Do we not like spoilers? Will people read this if I put it in tags or will people hate me for not tagging it and clogging up the page? I have Mafia anxiety

Spoiler: Vander giving me the creeps

Thoughts on skills?
I don't see any kind of obvious partial skill claiming plans, I think any advantage to open claiming a skill is probably not worth reducing Kira NK info, but keen to discuss if anyone feels differently

I thought even bringing up skill claiming was weird and it was framed like he definitely doesn't want to do it while also leaving the door open to discuss. Just felt off

I'm on board with all of that!

Vander agreeing with several things that Gimli proposed here. Not much extra input or anything

Just Kira who knows which skills aren't in play, right?

Could be informed but also could just be paying more attention to me which is entirely possible lol

Assuming I'm right about the rules, strong read from this that Black is not a follower

These types of reads are easy to make and I think followers/Kira benefit more from these definitive declarations more than taskforce. I still think it's NAI because Vander could post this as either alignment but I can't help that I felt weird about it

Does scumBlack typically openly advocate pro-scum strategies?

This just seems like Vander is trying to solve without really putting much thought into it. Posting this question and legit hoping to get an answer back seems like a reach

I like gimli's thought process.

More sheeping of Gimli with no elaboration on why he likes the thought process

I thought kokichi might have been scum for the vote on black for the call for skill claims, but his response to me asking about it felt null

Riding the fence on Kokichi. Keeping the door open

Nah, I could see it as Kira who sees what skills aren't in play, assumes that the followers also got the same info, and is just trying to tell followers what to do to identify him.

Not a high likelihood world, and I didn't look at that post and think "this looks like Kira coaching," but I could see it being a thing.

More on the fence stuff

Lorne... when you wrote 28 did you know that only Kira can see what skills are in play and not the followers?

How do you know only Kira can see the skills in play?

VOTE: Kawaii

Why does Kawaii get a vote for not reading the rules but not me, especially when you just said I could be Kira?

So yeah... a lot of this is just me getting a vibe that Vander is trying to seem like a proactive townie while really not contributing much of his own stuff. When he is providing he's arguing why people can go either alignment. The skills comment is probably the most scummy thing here along with the Kawaii vote

VOTE: Vanderscamp

[KawaiiKame]

but I feel that meg might have openclaimed kira alignment, and it's still not a good flip because we should be focused solely on kira hunting.

It is a good flip, we need to focus on anyone who is Kira/Kira aligned, not exclusively Kira