Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it's also just a general logic term

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: Ydrasse

UNVOTE: Ydrasse

Of all the presences in the thread so far, VOTE: Wavelength sticks in my mind the least by a fair amount.

Feels like !science is trying to push continued beginning-of-day-1 jokiness a little harder and a little longer than everyone else. Would be willing to vote there too.

Why do you feel that having the lowest presence is worth a vote right now?

[Dunnstral]

Especially since you have another read with substance to it right below it

[Kilgamayan]

The lacking substance felt more viscerally bad than continued ED1 silliness. To be clear, it wasn't a matter of "find the person with the fewest posts and vote for that person", it was a matter of going through the player list in my head and doing a mental exercise of "X is playing, and this is what I remember feeling from their posts" for each player. Wavelength was the only player where the result was "I don't remember anything this person did and I don't remember feeling any sort of thing about this person", and those types of slots tend to be red, in my experience playing the Mafiers.

[catboi]

what is this cowardice catboi

I'm a scared widdle kitty cat

I'm not sure I want to kill cakez. (In the past whenever I felt this he has been scum but I can't help myself)
did the same thing
I think kilga's response to me making a joke about cakez being put to E-1, followed by the response to that, is basically predictable in that if you did the same thing with any group of players in a game you'd get the same response. But I do think Kilga is the pingiest out of anyone so far and the vote on Wavelength doesn't help. Kilga barely ever plays though so the error bars are big, I want to use at least a

liiiittle

caution. (also also inside I'm sad at the possibility of breaking up the little fgo 1 mini reunion we've got going)

[catboi]

The lacking substance felt more viscerally bad than continued ED1 silliness. To be clear, it wasn't a matter of "find the person with the fewest posts and vote for that person", it was a matter of going through the player list in my head and doing a mental exercise of "X is playing, and this is what I remember feeling from their posts" for each player. Wavelength was the only player where the result was "I don't remember anything this person did and I don't remember feeling any sort of thing about this person", and those types of slots tend to be red, in my experience playing the Mafiers.

The thing is to me, it being early Day 1, Wavelength having 2 posts with no content doesn't mean a whole lot, because not everyone gets involved this early. His 2 posts don't really give me scum pings, they're nothing posts. It could be suggested he's struggling to post as scum, but I assume he's an alternate account and probably has no trouble posting/fitting in.

So what I'm left with is you voting a low content slot, and that is the type of vote I see scum make

a lot

, because in theory it's low accountability, no one likes a player who isn't saying much.But it doesn't really serve a useful purpose because if someone is inactive putting a vote on them isn't going to exert meaningful pressure and it doesn't get into the dirty work of trying to analyze what people are actually saying. This is because it's harder to make a case on townies who are being town.

Also, you were going through a mental exercise of the player list in your head on Page 3?

[Kilgamayan]

It may surprise you that I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes! If my vote is still there for the same reasons when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be. But, to me, that's a concern for then; right now, I'm willing to give !science a little bit of slack to see if the behavior changes, I actively feel varying degrees of good about everyone else, and it's still early on Day 1, so my vote is where it is.

Also, you were going through a mental exercise of the player list in your head on Page 3?

Yes, actually. With the way my personal schedule works, I am able to briefly peruse the game thread from time to time during the daytime, but actual posting windows come later, once work is over for the day and there's a lull in domestic responsibilities. The exercise in question was me checking up on my memories once I hit a posting window. I reached the conclusion I did, found that nothing had meaningfully changed since my last brief perusal session, and so I voted accordingly.

[Wavelength]

Of all the presences in the thread so far, VOTE: Wavelength sticks in my mind the least by a fair amount.

The lacking substance felt more viscerally bad than continued ED1 silliness.

It may surprise you that I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes!

[Dunnstral]

It may surprise you that I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes! If my vote is still there for the same reasons when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be. But, to me, that's a concern for then; right now, I'm willing to give !science a little bit of slack to see if the behavior changes, I actively feel varying degrees of good about everyone else, and it's still early on Day 1, so my vote is where it is.

Also, you were going through a mental exercise of the player list in your head on Page 3?

Yes, actually. With the way my personal schedule works, I am able to briefly peruse the game thread from time to time during the daytime, but actual posting windows come later, once work is over for the day and there's a lull in domestic responsibilities. The exercise in question was me checking up on my memories once I hit a posting window. I reached the conclusion I did, found that nothing had meaningfully changed since my last brief perusal session, and so I voted accordingly.

If we voted Wavelength to e-1 right now, would you unvote them?

[catboi]

I know I asked people to exercise restrain but this is perhaps too much restraint lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I know I asked people to exercise restrain but this is perhaps too much restraint lol

i am high my friend

i want to murder cakez still

[SirCakez]

Omg nice to meet you high Im cakez

[SirCakez]

Will notscience make a town post? Find out tomorrow

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.02

SirCakez (1):

Lady Lambdadelta

Syryana (1):

notscience

Kilgamayan (3):

Wavelength, Ydrasse, Syryana

notscience (1):

SirCakez

Wavelength (1):

Kilgamayan

Not Voting:

catboi, Dunnstral

With 9 remaining, 5 to eliminate

deadline

(expired on 2023-03-14 21:38:24)

[Kilgamayan]

It may surprise you that I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes! If my vote is still there for the same reasons when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be. But, to me, that's a concern for then; right now, I'm willing to give !science a little bit of slack to see if the behavior changes, I actively feel varying degrees of good about everyone else, and it's still early on Day 1, so my vote is where it is.

Also, you were going through a mental exercise of the player list in your head on Page 3?

Yes, actually. With the way my personal schedule works, I am able to briefly peruse the game thread from time to time during the daytime, but actual posting windows come later, once work is over for the day and there's a lull in domestic responsibilities. The exercise in question was me checking up on my memories once I hit a posting window. I reached the conclusion I did, found that nothing had meaningfully changed since my last brief perusal session, and so I voted accordingly.

If we voted Wavelength to e-1 right now, would you unvote them?

No. I have sufficient faith that a hypothetical town-on-town quickhammer would not come to pass, and all of the other results are beneficial long term.

[Dunnstral]

I think that Syryana could be mafia

In post 54 they have the elimination set between Kilga and Sircakez; I believe other people started this first but there is a sense of rushing the day here that I don't really understand.

In post 69 they agree with Catboi that I am town. For Catboi I am assuming a healthy (?) dose of meta was used to come to that conclusion as I only have 3 posts at this point; and 4 when Syryana agrees. But I don't know how Syryana came to that conclusion; I haven't played with them as much, I see a 2021 game and then all the way back to 2017, so it's got to be on stuff I posted in the thread, and it feels like the read came out too quickly to me.

77 indicates suspicion on notscience but they then vote sircakez and kilga after instead

In post 95 I'm not sure how they are so confident

Post 97 is again a feeling of rushing

In conclusion: Seems "sus"

[Dunnstral]

It may surprise you that I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes! If my vote is still there for the same reasons when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be. But, to me, that's a concern for then; right now, I'm willing to give !science a little bit of slack to see if the behavior changes, I actively feel varying degrees of good about everyone else, and it's still early on Day 1, so my vote is where it is.

Also, you were going through a mental exercise of the player list in your head on Page 3?

Yes, actually. With the way my personal schedule works, I am able to briefly peruse the game thread from time to time during the daytime, but actual posting windows come later, once work is over for the day and there's a lull in domestic responsibilities. The exercise in question was me checking up on my memories once I hit a posting window. I reached the conclusion I did, found that nothing had meaningfully changed since my last brief perusal session, and so I voted accordingly.

If we voted Wavelength to e-1 right now, would you unvote them?

No. I have sufficient faith that a hypothetical town-on-town quickhammer would not come to pass, and all of the other results are beneficial long term.

But you said that if your vote was there near end of day it should be cause for concern, right?

It seems like you are fine with running up Wavelength now, which seems at odds with you not being a huge fan of lurker votes, but then also thinking they are usually mafia. Your logic doesn't make sense to me. I'm not sure how you think voting Wavelength at end of day is bad but running them up to elimination right now is fine.

[Kilgamayan]

Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, are you asking me why voting for someone Early Day 1 for Early Day 1 reasons is different from voting for someone Late Day 1 for Early Day 1 reasons? If that's not what you're asking, can you clarify what you are asking so I can answer you better?

[Kilgamayan]

Oh, a distinction should probably be made between "player that doesn't post very much" and "player who lacks meaningful presence". I had the former in mind with my Day 1 Lurker Votes comment. My vote for Wavelength is for the latter reason.

[catboi]

Will notscience make a town post? Find out tomorrow

he's having fun, cakez. why do you hate fun?????

[Wavelength]

Oh, a distinction should probably be made between "player that doesn't post very much" and "player who lacks meaningful presence". I had the former in mind with my Day 1 Lurker Votes comment. My vote for Wavelength is for the latter reason.

It may surprise you that I also subscribe to not being a huge fan of Day 1 lurker votes!

If my vote is still there for the same reasons

when we're a lot closer to the end of the day, I'll be at least as worried about it as you appear to be.

[Syryana]

zzz

[Dunnstral]

Just to make sure I'm understanding you correctly, are you asking me why voting for someone Early Day 1 for Early Day 1 reasons is different from voting for someone Late Day 1 for Early Day 1 reasons? If that's not what you're asking, can you clarify what you are asking so I can answer you better?

You are willing to vote them out now, I am wondering why it is different if they are run up now or if nothing happens and you vote for somebody else later.

Oh, a distinction should probably be made between "player that doesn't post very much" and "player who lacks meaningful presence". I had the former in mind with my Day 1 Lurker Votes comment. My vote for Wavelength is for the latter reason.

As Wavelength points out; what is up with the first half of your post 106 then? You don't seem to be making that distinction there.

[notscience]

Wow it’s almost like notty has spent the entire game day in some form of intoxication and didn’t feel like doing things yet

[GuyInFreezer]

A