In post 1059, Vanderscamp wrote:
But if Kawaii gives basically anything less than a strong defence, they're dying, in a large part due to Gimli.
It was due or die, so I did, I needed to defend like that to survive as anyone, Idk if anyone else is seeing that
Yeah, I understand!
I didn't think your defence was scummy in any way, but I also didn't read anything you said and thought that it obviously came from a town perspective.
You feel my defense is a town perspective without reading what I said? I feel the emotion must've came out at you visually, if you feel it came from a town perspective why do you feel I'm definite scum now? Can scum have a town perspective?
In post 977, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Hmm. Do you think this is a way for follower Gimli to get us to second guess our Kira Meg talk right now?
Potentially yes, Black thinks the same
I'm not down to eliminate Gimli this day phase, it seems too convenient, like think logically, why pursue me being Kira so much if he believes I am Kira as a follower? That feels ultimately town to me
Wait I just realized what you said here
Is this legit a slip?
What was the slip
If Gimli were a follower and thought Kawaii was Kira, it would only be because Kawaii was Kira.
Kawaii kind of explained how this isn't a slip but I don't buy the explanation.
In post 1080, Vanderscamp wrote:
I was potentially moving to Mala/kokichi/std today until that post, there's just no way
You townread Gimli? Even after the meta post I showed?
I thought the meta case was believable that you believed it but it didn't sway me.
I also don't agree with the characterisation of Gimli being certain with his reads, I think he's been extremely uncertain throughout the day.
In post 837, Malakittens wrote:
Here’s the thing that’s bothering me re: gimli
If he *thinks* I’m decetive than he shouldn’t be voting me.
Yeah I'm fine limming this
Limming mala/Gimli?
Mala specifically for this comment.
Why mala specifically in this comment?
Because if Gimli is town he's not going to be honest about his detective read 100% of the time in that spot.
Like, unless Mala is a good PR and knows otherwise, Gimli could easily be the detective and lying about the detective read, so it's just a really weird thing to say is bothering you.
In post 1059, Vanderscamp wrote:
But if Kawaii gives basically anything less than a strong defence, they're dying, in a large part due to Gimli.
It was due or die, so I did, I needed to defend like that to survive as anyone, Idk if anyone else is seeing that
Yeah, I understand!
I didn't think your defence was scummy in any way, but I also didn't read anything you said and thought that it obviously came from a town perspective.
You feel my defense is a town perspective without reading what I said? I feel the emotion must've came out at you visually, if you feel it came from a town perspective why do you feel I'm definite scum now? Can scum have a town perspective?
I maybe phrased that badly: I think your defence was good but not clearly towny. I didn't get an obvious coming from town perspective from it.
Kawaii, I'll try looking at the game from the pov of you not knowing that followers know Kira.
You said you thought this was probably the case, which is obviously reasonable.
I feel like in the thread we've talked a lot about followers knowing who Kira is and defending them, what did you think the scenario was where followers didn't know who Kira is?
In post 1049, Vanderscamp wrote:
I don't think it's reasonable to assume that if you think Kira and the detective are going to play similarly, it follows that you should just start not hunting Kira for how you think Kira is going to play.
That's not what I said. I don't think anyone should stop hunting for Kira based on playstyle. In this setup, I don't think playstyle should be used as the sole reason to vote someone and adamantly rally others to follow through with the elimination because that playstyle could apply to the Detective and Kira. There should be more to it don't you agree? It's Gimli's definitive confidence in pushes that are just as likely to flip town's losing role as town's winning one that is making me think he's not playing from a town perspective
Let's assume for a second that Gimli is scum. Think of the wolf motive behind pushes like these, using the reasoning Gimli has used for them. Then think about his Kira pool of {Std, mala, Lorne} and formerly kawaii. He's running up players that follow his own definition of how a Detective would play in order to get a Detective claim. He'll hop from kawaii to mala, to StD, then maybe Lorne until one sticks
In post 982, Kokichi Oma wrote:
I see you're keeping up with voting everyone to make yourself seem not sure again.
This reads as fake
Then why didn't you say the first time I posted it was fake
When I quoted that post was the first time I'd seen it.
The reason I posted it is because in my meta case, he seems unsure as town day 1. Today he was certain on all reads until I called him out, then he started flopping his reads everywhere.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
Kawaii I would also like to know if you're a new player or an alt if that's fine
How do you expect to find the culprit when you're all worried about each other's feelings? If you're planning to expose a liar, then you have to corner them psychologically.
I don't think Vander had much of a point saying it was a slip by kawaii, ofc he believed in it, but I think std only voted there cause he saw momentum gaining on that wagon again
I just can't see Kawaii not knowing that followers know who Kira is on page 40.
I knew of followers knowing who Kira is as a
possibility
, not
definitely
If I'm a follower this means me not reading my own role pm...
If I'm Kira this means me not knowing/reading my own followers game mechanics
0nly way this makes sense is if I'm town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics,
I am town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics...
I don't think Vander had much of a point saying it was a slip by kawaii, ofc he believed in it, but I think std only voted there cause he saw momentum gaining on that wagon again
I feel like you've played with me enough to know this isn't true
In post 1089, KawaiiKame wrote:
I legit didn't read the opening role spoilers until now, I always knew of the possibility but I didn't know the followers knowing who Kira is as a hard game mechanic
Now this can't be true right? If you didn't read the spoilers at all and just assumed this was a normal-type setup then why would you then not assume Kira and the followers know each other? Why would you immediately assume they don't know each other if that's not how Mafia normally works?
Gimli/kawaii is suddenly really interesting to me now and Gimli is trying to brush the kawaii stuff under the rug. It would have to be Gimli Kira though right? It seems so weird the other way around
