Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

[Black]

I think you might be a follower though

VOTE: KawaiiKame

[Black]

That's e-2 btw

[Gimli]

But a follower who doesn't know the followers know kira?

[Black]

I guess he could be Kira too. There's nothing in the Kira PM that says anything about followers/Kira not knowing each other

[Gimli]

Kawaii can really only be kira imo

[Black]

If I'm a follower this means me not reading my own role pm...

If I'm Kira this means me not knowing/reading my own followers game mechanics

0nly way this makes sense is if I'm town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics,
I am town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics...

Do we think this is out of the question when we're talking about someone that didn't read the spoiler tags?

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Sorry. Maybe I'm rushing. I want to look at things again before we do anything tbh. We still have 3 days and I need at least one more to think about this

[Vanderscamp]

I don't think it's reasonable to assume that if you think Kira and the detective are going to play similarly, it follows that you should just start not hunting Kira for how you think Kira is going to play.

That's not what I said. I don't think anyone should stop hunting for Kira based on playstyle. In this setup, I don't think playstyle should be used as the sole reason to vote someone and adamantly rally others to follow through with the elimination because that playstyle could apply to the Detective and Kira. There should be more to it don't you agree? It's Gimli's definitive confidence in pushes that are just as likely to flip town's losing role as town's winning one that is making me think he's not playing from a town perspective

Let's assume for a second that Gimli is scum. Think of the wolf motive behind pushes like these, using the reasoning Gimli has used for them. Then think about his Kira pool of {Std, mala, Lorne} and formerly kawaii. He's running up players that follow his own definition of how a Detective would play in order to get a Detective claim. He'll hop from kawaii to mala, to StD, then maybe Lorne until one sticks

I do agree, but I don't agree that Gimli is voting people purely because of playstyle.

[Vanderscamp]

Eh maybe

I'm too tired to argue guys

Is this what you want to flip today, Vander?

Yes

I just can't see Kawaii not knowing that followers know who Kira is on page 40.

I knew of followers knowing who Kira is as a

possibility

, not

definitely

If I'm a follower this means me not reading my own role pm...
If I'm Kira this means me not knowing/reading my own followers game mechanics
0nly way this makes sense is if I'm town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics,
I am town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics...

I'm not interested in these wifom arguments, because it also doesn't make sense as town for you to see us talking about followers being aware of Kira (and without looking it up I'm pretty certain you've also talked about this) for 40 pages and not know that followers know who Kira is.
The main thing that makes sense to me is that you're evil and pretending that you don't know.

[KawaiiKame]

If I'm a follower this means me not reading my own role pm...

If I'm Kira this means me not knowing/reading my own followers game mechanics

0nly way this makes sense is if I'm town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics,
I am town who failed to read the in game set up mechanics...

Do we think this is out of the question when we're talking about someone that didn't read the spoiler tags?

Why would me as Kira not read the spoiler tags? I'd have a natural incentive to know everything in this game in the opening knowing Kira can't privately communicate

[KawaiiKame]

I'm not interested in these wifom arguments, because it also doesn't make sense as town for you to see us talking about followers being aware of Kira (and without looking it up I'm pretty certain you've also talked about this) for 40 pages and not know that followers know who Kira is.
The main thing that makes sense to me is that you're evil and pretending that you don't know.

I thought everyone was theorizing how followers work, since I didn't know I thought no one else knew in my pov, giving ideas how followers work as opposed to knowing how they work, I didn't know everyone knew until Black told me and I read the opening post

[KawaiiKame]

I'm not interested in these wifom arguments, because it also doesn't make sense as town for you to see us talking about followers being aware of Kira (and without looking it up I'm pretty certain you've also talked about this) for 40 pages and not know that followers know who Kira is.

I felt it was a possibility that the followers knew who Kira was, same with everyone else, but I wasn't certain this was the case, with the possibility existing in my mind that the followers didn't know who Kira was

[KawaiiKame]

I'm not interested in these wifom arguments, because it also doesn't make sense as town for you to see us talking about followers being aware of Kira (and without looking it up I'm pretty certain you've also talked about this) for 40 pages and not know that followers know who Kira is.

I felt it was a possibility that the followers knew who Kira was, same with everyone else, but I wasn't certain this was the case, with the possibility existing in my mind that the followers didn't know who Kira was

In my mind I like to think of all possible realities, since I didn't know the followers knew who Kira was I thought it was a possibility, though I also thought it was a possibility that the followers didn't know Kira, now I know that the followers knowing Kira is the only possible reality, b4 I thought the followers knowing Kira/Kira not knowing the followers + the followers not knowing Kira/Kira knowing the followers as dual yet mutually exclusive possibilities

[KawaiiKame]

UNVOTE:

Thank you, we will be down on town if you vote/eliminate, though I believe town is capable enough to solve this game without me, I hope to stay alive tho

[KawaiiKame]

Kawaii can really only be kira imo

Why do you feel Kawaii Kira is the only option?
I want to see what your opinion changes to when the day fails to end with my elimination, if I'm eliminated

[KawaiiKame]

Ok, I'm going to take a step back.

Kawaii, I'll try looking at the game from the pov of you not knowing that followers know Kira.

You said you thought this was probably the case, which is obviously reasonable.

I feel like in the thread we've talked a lot about followers knowing who Kira is and defending them, what did you think the scenario was where followers didn't know who Kira is?

I failed to see this, the followers not knowing who Kira is makes the followers effectively the same as town, both town and the followers want to know/find Kira with opposite intentions, town to eliminate Kira, the followers to save Kira, in this case everyone effectively acts town including Kira, who wants to be seen as town while signaling to the followers that they = Kira without implicating themselves as Kira to town, Kira would be the balancing act between the 2 factions trying to find them
Since the followers not knowing Kira means Kira will need to signal I did the Kira gambit to draw out followers to signal to them I am Kira, saying I'd fade away as Kira, following it up with fading away, I wanted to see who would come to me when feigning Kira
Basically Kira would be a light house, only wanting to shine to the follower's while hiding in the clouds to town, I wanted to be the beacon of light to the followers to draw them out/away, seeing how Kira will react

I didn't know I expected Kira to react in this, the followers not knowing who Kira is is why in my Kokichi is Kira theory I thought the followers didn't know who Kokichi is in the opening game and thus didn't defend Kira Kokichi, which is why I questioned my own theory when Kokichi pointed out that the followers know who Kira is in question followed by Black dismantling this thinking by saying the follower's know who Kira is

[KawaiiKame]

Also, are you really a new player?

Because if you are then you would become a lot more towny to me.

I am new to mafiascum

[Gimli]

Kawaii can really only be kira imo

Why do you feel Kawaii Kira is the only option?
I want to see what your opinion changes to when the day fails to end with my elimination, if I'm eliminated

I meant that as a follower you'd know the setup better

you can be either kira or townie.

[Gimli]

we can lim kawaii for wolfslipping like, a gazillion times already, and then be shocked when that doesn't end the game. my current theory is that he is a townie. but he can be kira, you already know what I think this game looks like when kawaii is just kira. (koki + one of black and hpe as followers).

we can lim kokichi? cause I don't think kokichi marries that meta read of his wrt my play being too confident to be a townie. that seems really shallow.

we can lim STD cause he is playing from the sidelines and his defense of mala is a bit too much

we can lim mala cause she is a little scummy and has weird associatives with STD

we can lim lorne cause fuck it lets lim lorne

we can lim meg cause fuck it lets lim meg

we can lim hpe cause fuck it lets lim hpe

we're left with (vander, black) as a non-lim pool atm.

and it's page 47 already...

I think we need to just flip someone at this point.

[Gimli]

kawaii is almost certainly not a town pr

so okay lets flip kawaii and deal with the consequences of that

[Gimli]

VOTE: kawaiikame

im really sorry if youre town you played a good game and hope to play a lot more with you, it's been fun <3

[Gimli]

nah im going with actual scummy

VOTE: save the dragons

how about that, can we do that? do we need convincing?

[KawaiiKame]

nah im going with actual scummy

VOTE: save the dragons

how about that, can we do that? do we need convincing?

Thank you, convince me

[Gimli]

okay I'm gonna case STD, this will actually be mostly me trying to convince myself his posts are actually scummy as opposed to std just being std, the unreadable fox I keep playing with

in a bit

[Gimli]

yeah IDK I like his ISO tbh