Mini 2293: Death Note. Postgame!

[Malakittens]

[Malakittens]

THATS THE BEST PAGETOP EVER

[Malakittens]

Here’s some tips:

Town remain calm.
Don’t auto look at gimli. I just don’t think he’s full Kira, but again I suck at associates.
Reread all interactions.
Vander is confirmed scum REMEMBER THIS.

You got this.

I’m also sorry and I should have holstered, but I believe in you.

Also to my assistant: my hat is off to you.

[Vanderscamp]

If Mala is scum why not just claim detective right away to bait detective? That's what I don't get

Because she gets instantly outed, pretty clearly.

She claimed the role she has to claim and got the CC

[Kokichi Oma]

But if she was going to do the detective shot anyway, why not

[HighPrincessErinys]

But if she was going to do the detective shot anyway, why not

Most people, Detective included, probably wouldn't CC a Detective claim that'll get killed naturally after (assumedly) they fail to vig someone. Assistant however is a good claim, and CCing that and getting away with it puts you in the Detective's good graces. Unfortunately for Vander, he picked the wrong person to CC on that.

[Vanderscamp]

But if she was going to do the detective shot anyway, why not

Because this way I get forced to CC.

[Black]

Vander, in the small chance you're town... who's Kira? Could you go through the list and give thoughts?

[Black]

Wait, mala...

Try it in the correct format

From the Detective role PM in the setup:

"

Condemn

. Once, you can write "I Condemn You,

PLAYER

" in main thread,

while instead of PLAYER you need to put nickname of player you accuse."

Your two attempts to test your ability didn't fit this exactly:

Condemn: Vander aka Vanderscamp (L Lawliet)

I condemn YOU, Vander

[Black]

It should read: "I Condemn You, L Lawliet"

[Kokichi Oma]

Yes do that mala

[Black]

Or if you really think Kokichi is Kira just take him out instead. I think guaranteed scum might be better though

[Black]

Uhh sorry, I guess your gut is HPE Kira. I missed that post

Either way let's test this claim in the right format

[Black]

After looking at Vander/HPE interactions...it could definitely be HPE Kira here. Vander actually avoided the slot for 95% of the game. The couple of interactions they have seem forced on Vander's end (312, 407, 778, 1751). Outside of these direct quotes to HPE, Vander hasn't mentioned HPE at all and has dropped a total of

zero

reads on HPE this game

In this reads list in #1419 (shown below) Vander lists off thoughts on everyone but HPE and Meg...

I kind of just want the day to end at this point, I feel like I'm just tunneling my reads harder and harder.

I still think

Gimli

is a pretty terrible lim, I think the way he's played is the kind of inconsistency that comes more often from passionate town than scum with an agenda.

I still don't think

Kawaii

is town, but I think other people sound scummy and I'm happy to entertain the possibility that I'm just really tunneled.


I didn't like

Mala's

reaction to Gimli at all, I feel like when someone calls you out as a TPR people react in several different ways. I think the towny way to react, regardless of whether you'reTPR or not, is to kind of play into it, like giving a wink emoji or joking about your vig target or something.
I think Mala's reaction was pretty scummy, like Mala seemed really annoyed in a really obviously "I'm a TPR" type way. I get that this may seem unhelpful to talk about, but it was imo so blatant that there's no chance anyone missed it, so I'm just going to talk about it. I basically feel like if you are what you're softing it doesn't make sense because you would not want to actually react in that way, and it didn't feel at all like a VT trying to take a bullet, so I think it was just scummy.

I thought

STD's

reaction to Gimli a few pages ago was pretty good, I got the vibe from it that they actually believed what they were saying and weren't defending themselves just for the sake of defending themselves.

I really, really, really don't like

kokichi's

continual defence of "I literally can't be Kira" because it relies on the premise that followers would have just hard defended them facing an early D1, and the fact that no one did is clearing.
I don't really think this is something kokichi actually believes so it just reads as false.

Other than that, my non updated reads are that I think

black

and

lorne

are town and

everyone else is null

.

Everyone else is HPE and Meg

[KawaiiKame]

Does anyone think HPE is Kira?

HPE's playstyle

fits perfectly

with how I see Kira playing...
I felt HPE felt too town to be Kira, this makes me anxious...
Why? Kira plays insanely town, think back to,
"Kira will play the best town game"

Y'know, this one could just... be town? Have you thought about that?

It's not a denial...

[Black]

HPE's iso doesn't really feel all that great. It feels like it is posturing for a Gimli mislim tomorrow after the vig shot kills a follower and doesn't end the game

It has PM'ed the mod multiple times to end the day (1703) which I think Kira would absolutely do here to stop any additional conversation

1769 feels a little defensive after accused of being Kira, and also anxious that the mod won't end the Day

1780 feels like HPE is trying to convince StD that mala could be lying while also saying Vander picked the wrong person to CC

[KawaiiKame]

HPE is Kira
VOTE: HPE

[Black]

@mala - would it be better to try your vig shot against your Kira suspect instead of Vander? You would be confirmed Detective, Vander would be confirmed scum, and your main Kira suspect would be dead

The upside is it gives us your vig shot and tomorrow's lim to catch Kira. If we assume Vander is a follower then shooting him only gives us one chance to kill Kira (tomorrow's lim)

The downside I guess is what if Vander is somehow Kira? If this is the case then we don't lim him tomorrow because we think he's follower and he wins the game. I just don't see a world where Kira fake CCs here. It would have to be a follower

I think you should consider this and do what you think is best

[Enchant]

Uh sorry i trying to figure what happened.

Hold on.

[Enchant]

Official Vote Count 1.Final

Execution

With

10

votes in play, it takes

6

to execute someone.

Gimli

(3): Malakittens, Save The Dragons, HighPrincessErinys

Vanderscamp

(CONDEMNED): Black, KawaiiKame, Not_Mafia

Not_Mafia

(1): Gimli

Malakittens

(1): Vanderscamp

Not Voting

(2): MegAzumarill, Kokichi Oma

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-03-12 06:29:40).

Grace Period: Ended

Mod notes: Condemn is Real

Joint Mod ISO here

[Enchant]

Near River:

You certainly not Kira, but your actions can jeopardize our game. My decision is final.

Vanderscamp was condemned. They were NOT Kira.
Malakittens real name revealed as Near River.


Night 1. Deadline: (expired on 2023-03-13 04:21:25)

Fast night is available if everyone PM me.

[Enchant]

We interrupting night news, because there's important message for us to show:

Spoiler: Public Announcement

"Hello, everyone. Person who rolled Public Announcement here. I just wanted to take the time to use it to give my thoughts here and now, in the event I die tonight for any reason. After reviewing Vanderscamp and Lorne's ISOs, I just want to say that I'm about 99% confident Gimli is Kira. Vanderscamp's odds of being a Follower are extremely high as I greatly doubt he would've counterclaimed Assistant like that as a Taskforce Member, and he physically could not be the actual Assistant as he would have known it was the Detective making the claim. So going off of that, it's clear to see that he very much was a 'yes man' to Gimli. Looking at his ISO, Gimli is mentioned 113 times in Ctrl+F, though some are of course from Gimli's actual posts, but either way most of these mentions are Vanderscamp gassing up Gimli: Sheeping or agreeing with his reads, vouching for his towniness, speaking of how he's not Kira/Scum or is a bad choice for elimination. In general, he was an extremely adamant defender of Gimli, and it surprises me that no one seems to particularly notice this when multiple slots raised eyebrows when StD came to Malakitten's defense, or when people came to KawaiiKame's defense. The same goes for Lorne Malvo, who despite being a mostly joking around not-so-serious slot, was unusually supportive of Gimli. Again, in a kind of shitposter way, but still it's there. As far as I'm aware, very few people have been as much of hardline supporters of Gimli as these two, let alone so consistently. Both have had minor disagreements with him, but the majority of their interactions with him are support and defense. Gimli has seemingly picked up on this, as he prominently defended Vanderscamp and tried to refute/discredit Malakittens during twilight after the Condemn. Lorne is the one out of place, as Gimli doesn't seem to do a lot in his favor, though obviously Kira is under no true obligation to protect his followers, and propping up Lorne as an elimination on a future day could be beneficial if he comes under pressure, a compromise vote or some such, or maybe an excuse to flip a switch and start townreading/towncasing him. Regardless, Vanderscamp's likelihood of being a Follower to Gimli is extremely high, and if you dislike the odds on the Malvo slot being one, then I offer an alternative: MegAzumarill. MegAzumarill, honestly on a second blush, is perhaps an even sturdier case for Follower, as they don't particularly say anything ill against Gimli, and similarly Gimli townreads them for a large percentage of the game outside of a single incident of suddenly doing a heel-face turn and wanting to eliminate MegAzumarill for a very short period of time (which he later said wasn't really a good play as is, and that he was just frustrated at the time) and some very minor incidents that can happen to even the best of genuine mutual townreads in any game. I have to personally admit that MegAzumarill is a townread of mine, but at the same time this analysis has given me a very good reason to also believe she is a deepwolfing Kira!Gimli follower. Anyway, I think I've rambled in hilarious and longwinded fashion enough now, so I will bid you all a good rest of the Night Phase now. And please do consider this carefully, too."

[Enchant]

Malakittens died from Heart Attack! She was NOT a Kira.

[Enchant]

Day 2

Official Vote Count 2.00

This is Kira.
Your Detective is dead. No need to drop tears, just go home, or prepare yourself for punishment. I am real Justice now.

AND I WIN.

Execution

With

8

votes in play, it takes

5

to execute someone.

Everybody

(0): Nobody

Not Voting

(8): Gimli, Kokichi Oma, HighPrincessErinys, Save The Dragons, KawaiiKame, MegAzumarill, Not_Mafia, Black

Deadline:

(expired on 2023-03-21 04:33:23).

Grace Period: No one can be hammered for (expired on 2023-03-14 04:33:23)

Gamestate Check

: Detective is

Dead

. You now have last day to catch Kira.

Mod notes: Yeah.

[Enchant]

It's revealed, that Black visible name are Misa Amane.