Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[Ydrasse]

do you think me not paying attention is a wolfy trait
like do you think im just being careless with my play

I think that townies, by virtue of being genuine in their wolfhunting, will actually have the opinions that they claim to have and believe the things they say and be consistent about it as a result, where wolves, by virtue of not being genuine in their wolfhunting, will be far more prone to either forgetting the things they said previously or simply not caring about being consistent as long as they can say whatever they need to in order to survive.

my reasons to wolfread you were the ones i remembered more because i voted you most of yesterday, syr is still there and also on the wagon so like points there but me wanting to kill you is just falling back on where i voted all d1

You apparently felt unconfident enough in your vote to remove it in 187, though, which makes sense in the context of the immediate followup where you put me behind Cakez and Syr but

doesn't

make sense now in that you're "still inclined to vote" me but have nothing to say about Syr (or even me, beyond the statement that you're still inclined to vote for me). Under the assumption that your wolfhunting is genuine, either Syr is equal to or ahead of me on your list and you're pursuing your tied-for-first/second target while not doing anything to pursue your tied-for-first/outright first, or I'm ahead of Syr and the ordering in 188 is a lie, making the unvote in 187 extra strange. Neither of these seem likely at all, which means the only conclusion I can reach is that the assumption that your wolfhunting is genuine must be faulty, at which point we go back to my previous paragraph.

i'm not gonna lie the way these posts are written make my eyes glaze over a little bit so i don't know if i'm understanding your point in full but i think that your methodology is flawed given that i could just reference my posts if i actually cared about them being perfectly consistent and presenting that to everyone

like i just dont care that much about distinguishing equal than or greater two reads in this game lol

if youre town and want to understand me better i genuinely dont think approaching it like this to understand my thoughts is going to work because there's too much ... tangling in your post or explanation

as it is i think that this isn't an interesting way to solve and i feel like there is some content you could probably divine but haven't really done so &_&
i want to vote you but i'm hesitant because i am stupid and dont get what youre doing

[Syryana]

What are the concerns w Dunn

I really really really hated his final post pre-Night1 after you hammered Cakez. I'm rereading it now to figure out why I hated it so much but I definitely felt it was performative

Pedit holy shit beetlejuice

[Ydrasse]

Dude I’m just having trouble parsing kilga

Like his push on ydra for inconsistency in a fourteen page game??

But I also realize I’m not the reigning authority when it comes to ydra as I’ve already kinda mentioned. But I am on the town side of the spectrum, it’s just with these little voices on my shoulders saying “why are you seeing it here and not there”

My problem with Ydra is that according to her she was very excited to play the game in RVS then just dropped off the face of the earth. Inconsistency is one thing but she starts off after with srsKilgaVote, then says spiritually she thinks Cakez is scum too, then pops me into the mix because I'm "holding hands with people", whatever that means. There's no thought behind her play, no reevaluation after being wrong on Cakez. Hell, if I had a dayvig shot I'd have dayvigged Kilga yesterday and even

I'm

reevaluating. She accused Kilga of lining up miselims, but I think it looks more like that's what she's doing than Kilga.

i got swept up into finishing off the pyp that ended so all of my attention gamewise went there
coming back to this it doesnt seem like anyone really cares which makes it harder to care too

i also dont really think that i am lining anything up given that ive made one vote and even then im kind of hemming and hawing
like who is my partner i guess follows this logic or what am i waiting for
do you think im just letting apathy sweep through this

[Ydrasse]

yes i beetlejuice
people actually posting is tempting

[notscience]

I’ll reread ydra some.

That Dunn post isn’t great in retrospect, no

I was prob a little jumpy to do that despite the forewarning so I get a little side eye my way though?

Idk. I had a record scratch moment too

[notscience]

I’ve been mulling over how I feel about LLDs intro into today

What do you think of that syr

[Syryana]

his final post pre-Night1 after you hammered Cakez. I'm rereading it now to figure out why I hated it so much but I definitely felt it was performative

276, specifically.

i got swept up into finishing off the pyp that ended so all of my attention gamewise went there
coming back to this it doesnt seem like anyone really cares which makes it harder to care too

I care. After I get done with Notty I'm gonna start throwing brimstone at people to get them to care too.

i also dont really think that i am lining anything up given that ive made one vote and even then im kind of hemming and hawing
like who is my partner i guess follows this logic or what am i waiting for
do you think im just letting apathy sweep through this

I mean, lining people up is what it looks like to me. You started with Kilga. Then added Cakez and me. Cakez flips town, it's still Kilga and me. Three misyeets (if Kilga is town) and you win. Doesn't matter who your partner is at that point. And yeah, optimal scum strat here is to let apathy win.

yes i beetlejuice
people actually posting is tempting

[notscience]

Syry that was before I hammered Cakez

[notscience]

Like literally the post before it

You can see it on the page

[Ydrasse]

are you calling having a poe lining up elims lol

[Syryana]

I’ve been mulling over how I feel about LLDs intro into today

What do you think of that syr

I find it aggravating, certainly. If you put a gun to my head I probably say it's town!LLD over scum. I don't know her town from scum meta these days but I think that sort of smug finger-wag comes from a town!LLD perspective.

Pedit yes I know my recollection of when it happened with regards to the hammer post was slightly off sorry. All of his twilight posts sucked but I didn't like his vote post the most

[Ydrasse]

like uhhh
i feel like if you feel im doing that
its probably important to actually care about who my partner is rather than pointing a finger like "oh look what she's doing"
because then it's like ... idk it feels like you're accusing me of what you want to do (kill me and then push someone else)

[notscience]

Her pyp game is an anomaly compared to most so I don’t have fresh meta for you on her, sorry

[Syryana]

are you calling having a poe lining up elims lol

When I have no information about why you think anyone is town, the pool is the same as before the Cakez flip, and you're sitting back waiting to see which one of your favored mislims gains traction (I mean hell you think Kilga's push on you is trash and he was in your scumpool BEFORE his trash push, why does his push suddenly make you hem and haw, it makes no sense), then yes, it looks exactly like you're lining up miselims.

[Syryana]

i feel like if you feel im doing that
its probably important to actually care about who my partner is rather than pointing a finger like "oh look what she's doing"

No, because I believe as a general rule that associatives are complete garbage until we have at least one mafia flip.

[Syryana]

I mean this probably makes me the old man shaking his cane at people but I've seen so many games thrown because people these days are obsessed with "the solve" and just do the wildest shit to justify why two unflipped people are scum together. Associatives are well and good on flipped scum but until you GET a flipped scum I don't think it's worth the time and effort to figure out who their partner is.

[catboi]

i feel bad because i was at work and i thought cakez's posting was towny but i didn't bother posting it at the time and maybe i could have like helped him somehow. sorry dude

i didn't make that vote with the intention of eliminating him and i'm in general very pissed at that hammer especially given the shitshow in open 873, he should know better

Why did you make the vote then

To put pressure on him to get more out of him. Like, had the response been bad I would have gone through with it but I certainly wasn't ready to end the day. My attention was off this game because I was occupied by a high-intensity game elsewhere though and basically didn't get to check in by the the time the day had ended.

[catboi]

now I'm fucking annoyed rereading those posts that I wasn't here for because I should have backed off

on me for committing the sin of multitabling

[Syryana]

Alright, well, you're here now. Where are you at?

[catboi]

hot take:

VOTE: LLD

I think she's not been towny where other people have exhibited some signs and in the back of my mind I have been thinking the wavelength kill makes sense as a low info kill.

[catboi]

Alright, well, you're here now. Where are you at?

I'm rereading the end of Day 1 to fully form opinions

I kind of think notty's posting is

not great

still but wouldn't really be shocked for him to flip town, Dunn/ydrasse/kilga/you I've been starting to feel are surface-level okay but I haven't really bothered to contemplate you more deeply, my brain has not fully clicked to actually thinking about this game yet.

[catboi]

I think LLD has been playing loosey-goosey laid back to blend in with the generally low effort game start but I don't get the feel of the gears turning in her head anywhere, her early pushes seemed less like a true feeling than lining up whatever targets were most convenient. I think her backing off on the cakez elim was underwhelming and didn't show serious effort to prevent it or push a counterwagon elsewhere. It's a manuever I'm well versed in as scum - feebly protest as town shoves through a bad kill and keep your hands clean.

[catboi]

btw if you're reading this

@SirCakez

-I am well and truly sorry for how Day 1 went down, you deserved far better. I don't think you're a bad player and a lot of the blame rests squarely on me for not giving this game the proper attention it deserves.

[Syryana]

hot take:

VOTE: LLD

I think she's not been towny where other people have exhibited some signs and in the back of my mind I have been thinking the wavelength kill makes sense as a low info kill.

That's a spicy take indeed. What makes you think scum, specifically? Happy to wait until you're done with your reread.

Pedit I agree the cakez back off was underwhelming. Thing is for me the little fingerwag she did at the start of toDay doesn't really ring scum for me, I wouldn't expect such an... obvious? move to come from her as scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay, please kill me quickly thanks