To first understand the game, we must understand who are the Villagers
.
PP and Kokichi are both town I don't think we really need to talk to much about it.
PP when town usually just posts whatever is on his mind and this game he's shown that. It doesn't really make sense for him to be a wolf with SAS and confirm the nature of PB's role, if he's a wolf with LLD, that means all 3 wolves are in a neighborhood and have a shit ton of power.
Kokichi's D1 is pretty townie and Marashu saying their odd is likely +Town for Kokichi.
Kuribo Ircher Amici Dragons are all flipped town obv.
Flea had townie night actions. They gave me a mask and honestly, this game comes across as if fae is just playing their own game.
I'm obviously town, I'm really not in my wolf game here at all and I think I have played a game where every single minute of it I have shown that I am actively solving. But we can dive more into that as we talk about setup as it's hard to talk about my role w/o talking about Marashu's
Wave is also pretty town by play however if PB is actually town, they're the last wolf. Again we'll get to this as we talk about the setup.
This only leaves SAS.
I think SAS is a villager with their play tbh. I don't think their D1 push on PB is wolfy but rather something that comes from town. Most players were in agreement that it seemed like they believed that they actually had this read.
I think the way they've played D2 makes sense from a villager's PoE
And honestly, I think I'm fine w/ their D3?
I would like to point out that
THEY ARE THE ONLY ACTIVE PERSON THAT IS ACTIVELY TRYING TO KILL PB
AT
ALL
STAGES OF THE GAME
Now, one could argue that this is a wolf who wants to avoid forming other reads.
BUT this is the only player who actively went out of their way to say actively accuse PB of lying about bringing people back.
This is
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
.
During the course of D3 I was trying to keep PB alive.
Wave thought PB was a third party but had influence no how that day was decided.
Flea didn't exist.
Kuribo I don't recall exactly but he ended up voting Ircher
LLD used her doublevote on Ircher and while she said PB's role didn't make sense, she didn't do anything to actually try to get PB's body.
Ircher wanted to go to the Dead PT.
THE SETUP - Which one of these things is not like the other
I think I really only understood what was happening in this game once I wrote out what the entire setup was.
Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
PB kidnapper
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD double vote + will
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor
We know there is a redirector due to night actions
Which one of these things aren't like the others?
Which one of these things just doesn't belong?
Can you tell me which thing just aren't like the others?
Before I finish th-
no this post long as shit I'll just tell you.
Well actually there's 2 accurate answers to this question.
1 - WHERE IS LLD'S NIGHT ACTION?
EVERY SINGLE PLAYER EXCEPT IRCHER CAN ACT AT NIGHT.
We KNOW there is a redirector, so who the fuck is the liar? SAS and Flea's roles are proven. PB is proven to have a PT. Only real answers here are Wave, Me, and LLD. If it was LLD, she would want you to believe it's Kokichi. Pure Comedy I tell ya.
Her Will cannot be proven without obtaining her corpse. Seems like a convenient fakeclaim.
2 - WHY DOES PB HAVE NO RESTRICTIONS?
Every single role has some kind of gate on it except I believe SAS, who's power is quite minimal so it's fine. Oh also there's Kokichi, honestly, I'm tempted to give him the benefit of the doubt but I think it's reasonable for him to be able to act every night. After all, the mafia roleblocker can act every night.
But, you're telling me that PB can not only block but ALSO protect someone from the night kill, take them away from the gamethread, and also bring them back/kill them?
And how the fuck does it interact with Ircher's BP?
With this in mind, let's try to digest this setup.
Marashu rb w/ 1-shot janitor
Ali 1-shot jan vig
Kokichi Strongwiller
Match.
It's lined up so Marashu has a similar claim to me and has something that makes me look more suspicious.
Lots of wine that could be played with this.
Oh also said said, Kokichi is directly Marashu's counter.
Kokichi Strongwiller
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker
Redirector
Another match
The Redirector here can redirect invests or anything to the miller and it's really good!
It even eats a bullet if they redirect killing to it!
Kokichi obviously makes sense to allow counterplay to the redirector and the miller has interactions with the Tracker and is meant for the Tracker.
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
LLD
Match!
Well, mostly because they have the ability to summon the mod to post animals.
Note that one of these has a night action, the other claimed to not have a night action.
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
LLD Doublevote + last will
Match!
However these roles are VERY different from each other.
One has to perform 2 night actions!
The other performs 0 night actions!
Well that's the obvious difference.
Here's another one:
You can roleblock one of these players, but you cannot roleblock the other one of these players.
Let's talk about how their vote functions.
SAS is a lot more narrow. He has to wait for night to use it and it only gives him an extra vote vs 1 specific player.
LLD on the other hand has a lot more versatile role. She can use it D1, she can use it on ANYBODY. It's a neat little way to give her faction an extra vote for whatever purposes that they need and I think her role works better towards this.
Like okay imagine this
Say you're a wolf SAS right, let's say wolves want to go for an elimination on say Kuribo the next day.
They make Kuribo easier to vote, they force a claim out of him, and then he drops his claim, which I think, is pretty townie.
That feels really bad for wolf!SAS here doesn't it?
I mean in a sense, LLD's doublevote is kind of similar, but she can decide if she wants to drop it mid day phase where as SAS has to decide it at night?
Seems like it sucks a lot more if a wolf!SAS uses it than if a wolf!LLD uses it.
Also with how SAS was playing, his USERID and gimmick of rping a specific person, him even referencing the specific term blasphemous, CRUMBING THAT ITS HIS
Seems not likely with how he played it that he's a wolf.
Also, if LLD is a wolf, 250 words is a pretty specific part of the claim. I think this came out before SAS said his claim on D3.
This is...one of the things I can't answer? It lines up with SAS' claim.
If she's a wolf, ig she somehow was able to rolecop SAS and identify this? Wave stands out as a suspect who could be said rolecop but if it was like a mod provided fakeclaim or something I would buy it! I personally buy it being some type of like fakeclaim rather than Wave being a rolecop, that's a pretty hard pill to swallow tbh.
If we axe out LLD, PB, and Marashu's roles, here's what village looks like.
Kokichi makes someone's actions unable to be stopped or redirected
PP whom till N3 1-shot follower 1-shot fruit vendor
Wave novice 2-shot checks to see if someone can kill 2-shot flavor cop
Ali 1-shot jan vig
flea inventor bp/commute fruit vendor selfwatcher only gives out 3 inventions
Amici 1-shot whicked check, 1-shot flavor cop, 1-shot watcher
Ircher 1-shot BP Miller
Dragons 3-shot Tracker Supersaint
kuribo doctor until he saves someone then bg
SAS announce someone is hated along with posting a message
This is pretty investigation heavy!
Lots of townies have lots of things to catch if they were redirected.
PP and Amici have unique investgations, one is a follower, the other is a watcher.
Watcher is a very powerful role. And we killed it D1, while LLD did not care at all about the claim. No hesitation.
Wave can check to see who can kill. I bet if he checked PB, it he would a result that says PB can kill.
Obvs we went over the Tracker.
A full doctor that tells you if you stopped the kill is pretty powerful! I would kill to have that role.
This I would looks
actually reasonable for what village power looks like given what we know!
Oh also, ig you can like, look at how PB and LLD interacted with me listing out the claims and asking them if they notice anything.
One of them tried to pin Kokichi as the redirector despite how that's not even possible.
The other said "No sorry I don't see anything!"
Huh weird, they're pushing SAS, and haven't really done much legwork to try to actually tie up all of these loose ends.
Seems like they don't really want to either tbh.
I mean, I just don't get how something like this can suddenly make sense to me just by listing out the entire setup and trying to put the pieces together like some kind of logic puzzle, but the engagements that I got about it were not at all that great.
NOW, TO THE MEAT AND POTATOS
DAYPLAY - DAY 1
In post 177, Pink Ball wrote:
I'm townreading you and townleaning LLD, that's all I have for now
@Kokichi
SUPER EARLY TR ON LLD
I don't think anyone could even come to this conclusion this quickly.
Quite frankly, it's weird.
there are too many people who need to be voting one of the two top wagons rn. preferably you vote the scum one but if you want to throw your lot in and claim scum by voting the townie one you're welcome to show that too.
so basically wavelength marashu kuribo, cause we can expect amici and pink to cross vote here.
The game is on you 3, let's see what your alignments are :3
I think the VC is notable so I colored it in.
This is LLD blatantly trying to direct votes onto Amici.
Here she says that you vote the scum one (Amici) but if you want to claim wolf you can vote the town one (PB)
PB did not recieve any further votes.
LLD doublevoted it.
Amici got more voters.
Only Kokichi was the one that was like "if we wanna kill actual wolves we should vote PB" and by that point Amici had claimed, Wave votes it, and even Kuribo was going there.
But instead of any town actually sending Amici to the shadow realm, who sends Amici to the Shadow Realm?
PB.
When do they do it.
IMMEDIATELY AFTER WAVE VOTES HIM
WITH NOTHING SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO DO THIS
HE JUST DROPS ITS LIKE A BIG OL SURPRISE
WHAT THE FUCK
Another thing I REALLY want to point out about this D1 is LLD vs Amici.
Specifically when Amici claimed.
Let's look at how some players interacted with Amici post claim.
Kokichi - Posts intent to hammer if they get one more vote. THIS IS WHAT MOST TOWNIES DO WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO HAMMER.
Wave - Votes it cuz they claimed flavor cop and they also have flavor cop shots. They also were actively pro-town during twilight, its one of the best reasons to TR them this game.
Dragons - Asks about RH
Kuribo - Grilled it and wanted them to post content.
Ali - Showed hestiation w/ "I don't know how to respond to the fact a watcher just claimed infront of me" but kept the vote on them.
LLD - Complete opposite of me. They knew that they wanted them dead.
Ya know, it's really interesting how you have 1 person posting intent, another voting cuz they claimed something similar, a townie trying to get reads, another one wondering where is one head of the hydra, me showing hesitation, but LLD wanting to kill it.
Like think about this, how come we have people trying to get stuff out of the player, and some showing hesitation because Watcher is quite a powerful role, but to LLD she doesn't care about any of these things. She only wants MURDER.
They even "believed" that Amici would actually flip wolf.
This isn't really something that was ever revisited. Like, they kind of just got to kill Amici for free and everyone went along with.
But like, if we think about it, who really is the wolf here?
I have a hard time really seeing anyone but LLD/PB as the main players here.
Like you have one guy who is saying they will hammer but also we could kill the actual wolves, but you have another that immediately snipes the hammer at the soonest opportunity.
Really makes ya wonder.
NIGHT 1 - WHERE THE FUCK IS THE NIGHTKILL
I probably got redirected to Ircher and popped his BP. We know this because Flea targetted me and I got her mask. If it was a deflector targetting Marashu and deflecting onto Ircher, Ircher would have gotten the mask.
Ceph got blocked by Marashu. If there was a deflector targetting Marashu, they would not get a no result, they would get a guilty.
Kuribo didn't stop the kill.
So where the fuck is it?
Nothing else stopped a kill.
And we mostly already agree that shooting Ircher is ??????
Here is my answer for you:
IT'S ALL ACCORDING TO KOHAKU
(Kohaku means plan)
Who's plan?
PBs.
Why does PB want to rush into night?
BECAUSE HE WANTS TO KIDNAP SOMEONE.
Why does he want to make sure he gets to D3 alive?
SO HE CAN LIE ABOUT HIS ROLE
What is he lying about
THE FACT THAT HE THINKS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHY THERE IS NO KILL.
Do we get it yet?
No?
Let me put it more simply.
PB NO KILLED SO HE COULD MAKE HIS CLAIM LOOK LIKE A VILLAGER CLAIM AND MAKE IT LOOK LIKE HE WAS THE ONE THAT STOPPED THE KILL.
HE LIED ABOUT BEING ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE BACK OR KILLING THEM. THIS MAKES HIS CLAIM LOOK TOWNIE BECAUSE IF HE CLAIMED THAT HE JUST KIDNAPPED PEOPLE AND
NOTHING ELSE
PEOPLE WOULD WANT HIS HEAD.
THAT WAS ALL TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT WAS WORTH KEEPING HIM ALIVE TO TRY TO PROVE HE COULD DO THIS.
HE CAN'T DO THIS, IT'S BULLSHIT, HE JUST KIDNAPPS 2 PEOPLE.
THAT'S LITERALLY IT.
AND EVEN IF HE COULD STOP THE KILL, THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO PROVE IT, AND THAT'S TO FLIP HIM
HE'S NOT A THIRD PARTY. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WITH HOW HE'S BEEN PLAYING IT.
HE'S NOT A VILLAGER. HIS HAMMERS HAVE NO TOWN MOTIVATION BEHIND THEM
HE'S JUST MAFIA. THAT'S LITERALLY IT
There's obviously not a good explanation for why there was no kill n1, so this is a very good setup for when PB actually goes through with his claim. Obviously since from what village knows, we don't know what stopped the kill. It wasn't Kuribo. Wolves know this, we know this, so who what's going on?
Well, obviously, wolves want want to have us believe that PB when they claim is telling the truth, as nothing else could POSSIBLY make sense otherwise!
I would encourage to try to think about exactly
who
submits a block on Cephrir and a redirect on me to the miller.
There are exactly only
2 alive players
that have the potential to submit actions like these.
LLD. The other is me, who was the target of redirection.
These wolf actions are the actions taken by a competent wolf team. A wolf team that knows and understands how to get the most out of their powers. Simply put, it uses all of their abilities in the best ways possible.
LLD has so much motive to direct our actions. She doesn't have much information about the setup, but I would like to make the prediction that a wolf!LLD thinks that the two villagers to most likely try to check her out with powers would be me and Cephir.
To really understand this, you have to understand LLD.
LLD is one of the best wolf players on site. It is reasonable for her to expect people to want to target her with night actions and to use those to figure her out instead of actually trying to form a read. If you're a cop, she's an awesome cop check, and I bet she knows this. It's hard to deny that if you can use a night action to solve LLD over actually forming a read, one will use the night action to sort LLD, as it's lazier and less likely to fail.
If LLD is a wolf, she will do anything in her power to not die. If she has a teammate she knows can go deep with her, her and her teammate will do everything in their power to try to prevent one another from flipping.
Anyway, I don't think there's really much to talk about D2. D2 wasn't a wolf controlled day phase.
I ask PB to put Marashu in hammer range, while also POSTING THIS, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR LATER
In post 716, Alisae wrote:
pb can you vote marashu
I want your vote on the biggest wagon at all times
no more funny hammers from you mister
IF PB IS TOWN, THIS INDICATES THAT IF THEY THROW DOWN ANY MORE HAMMERS, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES.
This is a post from me indicating I want PB's vote in play at all times and this is ONLY cared about during D2.
Obviously when D3 comes, PB claims and there's a whole bunch of noise and it's pretty easy to forget about this detail.
But here's a detail that also really gets me.
Say you're a villager right, you had one bad hammer, right?
Generally speaking they're going to feel bad but they'll also demonstrate that with their actions.
I mean like, if I was a villager and I had a pretty bad hammer on someone D1 and it caused D1 to end abruptly, and maybe this is actually just a me thing but wouldn't a townie who genuinely felt bad for their hammer try to take steps to make sure that they don't do it again?
I mean like, if they really felt bad and felt like they made a mistake, wouldn't they wanna go out of their way to like, not make that mistake again?
But wouldn't this also mean making sure your vote was in play at all times?
I mean, if you were really genuine about not wanting to make a mistake after such a hammer like that D1, usually when people make mistakes they try not to make them again.
But PB kept his vote on not voting during D2, he kept it on not voting till D3 when I voted Ircher and he immediately hammered
and even right now, as we speak, even though he should (probably) be voting SAS, he's not?
I find it really hard to justify negligence here.
Anyway Marashu seemed like they had no interest in posting content, in fact they were probably just waiting to be put in hammer range so they could self and they could go to night, allowing PB can make a play.
So why Redirect Flea to Wave?
Simple really.
Wolves think they can't interact with me.
They want to kill dragons.
PB is kidnapping PP
Flea hinted at faer masks being powerful.
I bet that LLD wanted to make Ircher LOOK like the redirector. I don't think there is any better target.
Wolves don't really know anything else and generally I think wolves are going to work off of what they know rather than what they don't.
Their claim is pretty sus, villagers, WAVE in particular, is attempting to poke holes at Ircher.
I think wolves goal is to make Ircher look like the redirector.
If they know I'm a vig who shot Ircher, they already know he's bulletproof, as they know they redirected my shot to Ircher.
So they know that if Ircher tries to claim it will make their claim look bad.
Wave recieving Flea's mask I think is geared towards making Wave think this as well.
Their only problem is that Ircher didn't really push it. They can't mind control Ircher to push it but wolves I think can make the assumption that since Ircher is town, his wave fos is real, and Ircher will want to continue to push Wave.
When you think about it that way, it sure does beat using the redirector blind to try to find somethin.
There's also the argument that wolves bought that Flea gave out powerful masks and wanted one of them, but like
if this is what Wave was going to do, why is he claiming it?
If he's a wolf, doesn't he just keep the information about the redirector hidden?
In fact, it's this very action that exposes the redirector. To give that information to town really helps them put together so many of the pieces. If it's just kept hidden, we NEVER know why the night 1 kill didn't happen. There's genuinely no good explanation. Well actually it would be that PB is town and telling the truth, but how does that explain my vig shot?
Idunno, maybe wave thinks that we would have eventually figured it out?
But Idunno, I don't see why he even gives us that information in the first place. Just seems unnecessary to me, idunno.
DAYPLAY - DAY 3
This is the day where PB claims, and there's a lot of noise from different people about what PB is.
We already covered most of what the other villagers thought during day 3, but let's bring it back up again.
Ali - Gullably believed that the claim could be proven and thus, wanted to keep PB alive.
Flea - Didn't exist.
Wave - Thought PB was a third party.
SAS - Kept pushing PB, suggesting he was a third party, while also pushing LLD for being mafia.
Ircher - Wants to go to the dead thread.
Kuribo - Wanted to kill Ircher, thought PB didn't make sense as a third party.
LLD - Starts out by saying PB's claim is too strong to be town.
Ends on PB is at best town, doesn't make sense for being a third party.
Isn't it convenient how when if we assume PB is mafia and we re-read this day phase, LLD and PB vs SAS looks like
coordinated team play
from LLD and PB?
Huh
ain't that funny.
DAYPLAY - LLD is aligned with the mafia
And if we re-read D3 in particular to look for who is playing to a wolf wincon, isn't funny that the only realistic answer we get here is LLD?
I mean she REALLY wanted Ircher dead!
She said she would go to PB but I think she knew that the thread would lean towards Ircher > PB given the nature of PB's claim and how there might be people in the village who would want to prove something like that.
Also just look at her interactions with me and how she's trying to sell me SAS' actions coming from a wolf.
She even used her doublevote early before I got a chance to ask if we could test if she could use it to hammer or not and posted this
This is a hammer that comes from someone that knows what he's doing.
He's counting the votes. I believe he even mentioned this during this D3 that he actively knew what the votecount looked like at all times.
I put a vote down, like D1, he immediately puts his vote down, and then indicates that he's always targetting SAS regardless of the flip.
Him implying there'll be a flip is a weird post in relation to what's going on.
Why?
BECAUSE PB KNEW THE DAY WOULD BE ENDING. EVERYONE ELSE CONTINUED TO PLAY AS IF THEY WERE UNAWARE OF THE VOTECOUNT. PB DIDN'T MENTION AT ALL THE DAY WAS ENDING AND JUST CONTINUE TO LET EVERYONE ELSE POST UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT DAY WAS STILL GOING ON
This is a
BIG DEAL
to me because I remember the thread lock coming in and the day ending being extremely surprising and shocking to me. It caught me extremely off guard, so off-guard, that even though I was probably unlikely to be a kill if LLD was a wolf, I still needed to pop my mask to make sure I was alive for the next day phase.
I mean look at this vc. I'll color it in for everyone.
And my, isn't that super similar to the final D1 votecount where LLD and PB are on a town wagon?
NO WAY
it's almost like they're teammates!
Like, it's really hard to justify these hammers coming from town, especially this last hammer.
So how does the rest of the game play out
Ez, LLD always flips wolf and has to go.
If PB is actually town, then the only person I can think of who might be a wolf with them is Wave and it would probably be because they're actually just a rolecop who copped SAS N1 so LLD knew what claim to fake.
But he shouldn't be.
No shot that someone who IMMEDIATELY after I vote Ircher drops a hammer on him is town.
Nuh uh.
PB dies next, if he's town, the people he kidnapped should just come back into thread, we get wave the next day but honestly game should just be over with LLD and PB dead.
Tho ya know, I don't really expect to convince you?
Like
You're not going to vote LLD
I just know it.
In fact, I bet if I immediately voted SAS right now you would hammer
I’m absolutely doing a mea culpa for Amici’s hammer ‘cause I wasn’t scumreading them but with Kokichi’s intent when Amici already claimed felt like it would mitigate any damage that the quick hammer could do, but now that we know that kuribo is town it was bad play; in the other hand, about Ircher I stated the day before that the correct way of solving the game included killing Ircher so that was my intent. Not remotely sorry for ending that day.
In post 1728, Alisae wrote:
Tho ya know, I don't really expect to convince you?
Like
You're not going to vote LLD
I just know it.
In fact, I bet if I immediately voted SAS right now you would hammer
I’m not going to hammer SAS either Ali for fucks sake I’m trying to make you understand that the hammers were independent events. Both scummy? Sure, but it’s not a trend
In post 979, Alisae wrote:
I think if pb is 3rd party he literally cannot win this game if we elim wolves today and he has a wolf in his succ ability
I meaaaaaan I could argue that by play I make no sense as 3rd party but I've been accused of faking reads, being bad town, being bad scum and now I'm bad 3rd party so I'll just take the L, wait until the game ends, see what happened with night actions and realize I was actually MVP
Nah it’s not
Thought maybe LLD used her ability to cover it up
That would be funny though
I remember trying to spampost to cover up my own mistakes.
I didn’t get away with it
In post 1433, Alisae wrote:
Man playing against wolf LLD is so stressful cuz literally whenever I’m a villager i find myself in situations where I just want to hand the game to her on a sliver platter and want to trust her, and it’s not like she’s going to make it easy for me to kill her if she’s a wolf.
Like this why I imagine LLD would want to have me succ is because LLD can’t predict if I’ll wolfside or if I’ll just go along with what she wants me to do but still then why not succ wave?
Like if LLD is a wolf here, she did the steps necessary to come in and set up he worldview today
Anyway ya let’s wait, this is where I’m leaning now but I wonder if I’ll still feel this way later.
skimming up somewhere, this is a mood.
LLD is an absolute force to be reckoned with.
And yet despite all this, there's something not quite sitting right with me. And its something I'll need to look over. I know LLD's scum range is better than mine - and mine doesn't exist.
In post 1433, Alisae wrote:
Man playing against wolf LLD is so stressful cuz literally whenever I’m a villager i find myself in situations where I just want to hand the game to her on a sliver platter and want to trust her, and it’s not like she’s going to make it easy for me to kill her if she’s a wolf.
Like this why I imagine LLD would want to have me succ is because LLD can’t predict if I’ll wolfside or if I’ll just go along with what she wants me to do but still then why not succ wave?
Like if LLD is a wolf here, she did the steps necessary to come in and set up he worldview today
Anyway ya let’s wait, this is where I’m leaning now but I wonder if I’ll still feel this way later.
skimming up somewhere, this is a mood.
LLD is an absolute force to be reckoned with.
And yet despite all this, there's something not quite sitting right with me. And its something I'll need to look over. I know LLD's scum range is better than mine - and mine doesn't exist.
The power to SEND AN ANONYMOUS MESSAGE WITHOUT DYING
vs
THE POWER TO HAVE A MESSAGE ONCE YOU DIE.
in both cases, my power is the town version of SAS.
Ooooh we takin the spicy approach :3
AIGHT MECH SPEC on an inherently kinda bastard balanced setup...
Spoiler: DA CLAIMS
In post 992, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
anyway my flavour is Me, Lady LambdaDelta, like the Mafia player not the Umineko character.
So my abilities are
Cat- You can post Meow and Cakez must post a cat picture.
In A Rage- You can Claw:X and put an extra vote on that person once per day.
Rise of the Phoenix- You have a will you can update at any time and will post upon your death, max 250 words
Animal Farm- You're an animal so you get the animal neighbourhood.
In post 903, Stephen A Smith wrote:
at night I can call someone's play blasphemous and this causes them to be hated the next day - this doesnt work at elo
i can also send a 250 word message to someone or post a 250 word message at the start of the day
So first thing I'm going to do, is make sure the claim matches the flavour...
LLD is a giant cat, cute, adorable, will kill you. the "will" mechanic fits more a Swansong than a Rise of the Phoenix imo but eh, the flavour matches, LLD is a phoenix, location or title was "formerly in a rage" or something so all the flavour fits, and does what I'd expect.
Stephen A Smith, I have no clue about. TO DA GOOGLES.
Yeah one of the first things that comes up is the Blasphemy meme. Sports caster makes sense he gets to do an announcement kinda deal. Kewl.
Looking at play... see I know who's behind SAS and I know they know what I'm thinking with LLD here if I'm going to cast any doubts there.
And thats the "meow" thing.
It's thread filler, it's fluff and all it serves to do is to actively demoralise people because there's going to be PAGES of random cat photos.
It's a distraction, you get demoralised by going "Oh no there's PAAAGES" then when you read through and discover a load of cat pics its a distraction from the game.
This is a scum power. It's attacking the psychological aspect of town. It makes going back to find posts harder too because there's a greater pool of literal fluff to work through.
Neutral, honestly.
Neither side gains any benefit from this.
Unless somehow SAS is able to fake your deathcry in which case having not done that I'm more inclined towards SAS town.
Don't get me wrong, I love fun bouncy LLD, but I'm starting to think you're scum here.
In post 1547, Stephen A Smith wrote:
you continue to use emotionally charged language to mischaracterize my play I hope the town can see past that
This is the other thing I've noticed.
LLD is always quick to call out emotionally manipulative play, loopholes and such that players leave, its why I hate rolling scum against her, I know she will find me somehow.
SAS is well within normal play, there's definitely a few pointed comments, there's a few times I can feel da rage kicking in. But it's directed and its pointed.
LLD has gone outright "Motherfucker" at one point, and the emotion isn't as contained as I would expect, even from a fun happy LLD and ironically a post she made about "this is where SAS spams the game to save himself" feels like it's more self-reflective at this point.
Everything Stephen has said is accurate. Yes the best scum hide behind the truth - LLD has also been truthful but there are sections which are slightly exaggerated and I'm not sure I'm over fond of this.
In post 1611, Wavelength wrote:
Okay, I had originally planned on hiding it, because it become super weak if I out it, but thinking on it more, I don't think that I ever make it to tomorrow anyways, so it doesn't matter.
Flea also gave me their third mask (unless this was somehow redirected again, which would be ???). Which is also helping prop up my fea read
Yeah I wasn't redirected last night in that case. I gave Wavelength a Zora's Mask
-- Or here if you just wanna see fae/faer used in context.